Why are pro-abortion catholic politicians allowed to receive communion?

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what i mean is, why don’t the u.s. bishops emphatically state that any pro-abortion catholic politician who does not repent and become pro-life is excommunicated? furthermore, why don’t the bishops state that any priest who gives communion to someone known to him to be a pro-abortion politician is excommunicated?

next question: why doesn’t the vatican issue these rulings? why is it up to the u.s. bishops to do so?

catholic bishops talk a lot about the sanctity of life. and on an ad hoc basis, they instruct catholic politicians who are pro-choice not to receive communion. but why don’t they collectively issue such a ruling?

if life begins at conception, then 4,000 innocent human beings will be murdered in the u.s. today. why don’t the u.s. bishops (and the vatican) take the necessary steps now to ensure that no catholic politician will participate in this carnage? how many millions more must die before these steps are taken?
 
What many Catholics fail to realize is that, first, the ordinary are required, under Canon law, to provide the sacraments. Second, the criteria for rightful refusal are pretty narrow. Finally, the point of all punishment, including excommunication is for the purposes of teaching and redemption, not punative.

Pope John Paul II explained the proper criteria for witholding communion, though his example was Catholics who are divorced. What should be understood is that it is a process, with discussion and prudential judgement by the Catholic’s bishop. As the lay faithful, it is not our place to pass judgement on the decisions of the individual bishops, particularly since we have no right to be privy to confessions or private discussions between the Catholic and the ordinary.

What I find particularly depressing is that we, as Catholics, are more than willing to label John McCain, a seemingly ambivilent Baptist or Sarah Palin, an evasive Pentecostallist “pro-life”, even when they hold instrinsically evil positions on issues like abortion. But, on the other hand, we are often more than ready to cast stones at our fellow Catholics in public life, even though we, ourselves, have plenty of unworthiness to recall in our own lives each Sunday.
 
What many Catholics fail to realize is that, first, the ordinary are required, under Canon law, to provide the sacraments. Second, the criteria for rightful refusal are pretty narrow. Finally, the point of all punishment, including excommunication is for the purposes of teaching and redemption, not punative.

Pope John Paul II explained the proper criteria for witholding communion, though his example was Catholics who are divorced. What should be understood is that it is a process, with discussion and prudential judgement by the Catholic’s bishop. As the lay faithful, it is not our place to pass judgement on the decisions of the individual bishops, particularly since we have no right to be privy to confessions or private discussions between the Catholic and the ordinary.

What I find particularly depressing is that we, as Catholics, are more than willing to label John McCain, a seemingly ambivilent Baptist or Sarah Palin, an evasive Pentecostallist “pro-life”, even when they hold instrinsically evil positions on issues like abortion. But, on the other hand, we are often more than ready to cast stones at our fellow Catholics in public life, even though we, ourselves, have plenty of unworthiness to recall in our own lives each Sunday.
The simple fact about McCain and Palin is that they do not claim to be Catholic. So long as Biden and Pelosi claim to be Catholics. It is not “casting stones” to question them on their sincerity and to be alarmed when they go directly against the teaching of the Church. If you know someone is beating his wife like a drum every week, and then shows up at the parish council , and you say nothing about it, what does that tell about you?
 
The simple fact about McCain and Palin is that they do not claim to be Catholic. So long as Biden and Pelosi claim to be Catholics. It is not “casting stones” to question them on their sincerity and to be alarmed when they go directly against the teaching of the Church. If you know someone is beating his wife like a drum every week, and then shows up at the parish council , and you say nothing about it, what does that tell about you?
There is no evidence that either Pelosi or Biden have been involved in direct abortions themselves. Neither has even been involved in votes reqarding the the core legality of abortion. I believe that their public positions are incorrect, but their ‘public sin’ is in a fairly remote way. It is up to their bishops to tend to them spiritually, not me. And both have, seemingly, opened up a dialog with the Magesterium, as a Catholic should do in cases of dissent.

You are taking it upon yourself to declare, at odds with at least one bishop, that a level of Canon law has been reached and should be inarguably denied the eucharist. This would seem to be a defiance of the rightful role of bishops in our heirarchy, which was created by God. This is spelled out in the Catechism, and is dogmatic (we repeat it as a group each week in the Nicene Creed). But, even though you appear to be rejecting Biden’s bishop as an “authentic teacher” speaking with the voice of Christ (hence also questioning the judgement of the Vicar of Christ who empowers him), I am not calling for you to be denied the eucharist or driven from the body of the faithful.

Because, for me, doing so would be casting stones…
 
Pope John Paul II explained the proper criteria for witholding communion, though his example was Catholics who are divorced. What should be understood is that it is a process, with discussion and prudential judgement by the Catholic’s bishop. As the lay faithful, it is not our place to pass judgement on the decisions of the individual bishops, particularly since we have no right to be privy to confessions or private discussions between the Catholic and the ordinary.
The question still ramains regarding the “catholics” who vote to allow the killing of babies …

Would John Paul II’s criteria not apply to pro-abortion individuals whether they be public or private? And while it might be next to impossible to know the abortion stand of any average catholic in the pew … it is “public knowledge” whe one votes pro-abortion or when one gves an interview to the media regarding your pro-abortion stance … especially when one is famous … declares ones catholicty, even calling it faithful, activ and ther qualifyers …and even worse gets the Photo Op splashed across the news [TV or Print media]

This then causes a second grave matter - public scandal - to be seen living a life in direct opposition to church teaching, abetting the killing of children and profaning the Eucharist … all done openly, in public and with the blessings of the priests and bishops that allow it to happen …

Contrast this with the average ‘divoreced and re-married’ anonymous catholic in the pew who is told not to present themselves for communion and who are - in fact - denied the Eucharist …

And it is not hard to see why the question “Why are pro-abortion politicians allowed to recieve the Body & Blood of our Lord Jesus Christ … the Eucharist?” How are they given a pass when those with a failed marriage are castigated and denied the sacraments?

Really, IMHO inquiring minds want to know … and membership in the church will continue to decline as well as catholic belief in the True Presence … it is actions like this that cause people to doubt the reality …
 
The question still ramains regarding the “catholics” who vote to allow the killing of babies …
And the answer remains, the Church’s job is to teach, instruct, and save.
Contrast this with the average ‘divoreced and re-married’ anonymous catholic in the pew who is told not to present themselves for communion and who are - in fact - denied the Eucharist …
You have it backwards. The presumption made by John Paul II is that the regular parish member is known to the community, their divorce is, inarguably public sin, hence potentially rises to the level of canon law for communion to be denied.

The politician is actually acting in a more confined and difficult situation. That is why Pope John Paul II introduced the concept of “limiting the harm” in Evangelium Vitae. Proper application of limiting the harm and proportionate reasons requires judgement, which can be in error.

In both these cases, it is a matter for the prudential judgement of the responsible bishops. In addition, denial of communion is a serious matter and generally a last resort. So the bishops may be acting, but not visibly.

If you cannot accept that the bishops are fulfilling their duties responsibly, then you are questioning their legimacy as authentic teachers, that is, teachers who embody the spirit of Christ. This raises the question, is the problem that people aren’t being given enough scarlet A’s to make other folks happy, or is the problem that we recite the Nicene Creed but do not actually accept the apostolic nature of the one true Church?
 
One other point, it seems that there is a missing understanding over the difference between infallible/intrinsic and prudential. Direct abortion is intrinsically evil, because it is infallibly held to be never licit. So it carries an automatic sentence of excommunication (which can be lifted by a bishop, or the priests empowered by the bishop).

Voting for abortion legislation is indirect cooperation, further more, we have it on papal authority that such votes can be licit. Since the votes can be licit, the situations have to be judged on a case by case basis. The politician can make a moral argument to justify the action, and it is up to a bishop to judge the merits of that argument and the overall moral needs of his flock.
 
I am sure there is a reason against this idea. I think the preist should simply ask the politician before mass, or right during the communion line (if the vote/sin is public then the question can be public). Ask them if they have gone to confession since their last vote.

Again there is probably some theological reason for not doing this, but I know the behavior exhibited by some politicians would not be tolerated by any mother on this planet.

Do you realize how long and how much work it took me to get that old holly tree stump out of the ground, in July of all months? All I did was get into some food in the refrigerator. Sure it was a special dish she had spent lots of time preparing. I did indeed learn my lesson. Apparently not many politicians learned their lessons about sin because they openly suggest it is okay and support the sins of others.
 
I am sure there is a reason against this idea. I think the preist should simply ask the politician before mass, or right during the communion line (if the vote/sin is public then the question can be public). Ask them if they have gone to confession since their last vote.

Again there is probably some theological reason for not doing this, but I know the behavior exhibited by some politicians would not be tolerated by any mother on this planet.

Do you realize how long and how much work it took me to get that old holly tree stump out of the ground, in July of all months? All I did was get into some food in the refrigerator. Sure it was a special dish she had spent lots of time preparing. I did indeed learn my lesson. Apparently not many politicians learned their lessons about sin because they openly suggest it is okay and support the sins of others.
But what is the criteria to elevate certain sins to pariah treatment? Should the priest pull everyone aside and ask them if they masturbate (a mortal sin)? Should we be asked if we have voted for an admittedly adulterous or divorced political candidate?

Life issues carry special importance, but abortion is just one of many such issues. Should politicians be asked if they have given confession since voting against SCHIP?

I would say “no”, because voting against SCHIP does not automatically equate to voting against the inalienable rights of the human person. Abortion related votes have the same moral ambiguity, the Vicar of Christ has stated that some seemingly pro abortion votes can be licit, hence all such votes must be assessed on an individual basis by proper Church authority, not mob villification.

Remember, priests and bishops must answer their moral consciences as well. Many have serious misgivings about using the eucharist “as a weapon”. One question that each person desiring broader punishment should ask him/herself, is if the desire to more widely punish driven by a love of the politician and a desire to help them or a desire to dispense justice and punishment? If it is the latter, that too may be a sin that renders one unfit for communion (at least according to Pope Benedict).
 
My first question is: what is the acronym SCHIP?

The first politician that comes to mind is Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi. Her statement about the catholic church not knowing when life begins was troubling:

“This is an issue that I have studied for a long time. And what I know is, over the centuries, the Doctors of the Church have not been able to make that definition,” Pelosi said.

all.org/article.php?id=11560

I did suggest that the sin is a public sin. The sin you suggested is not normally a public sin. :eek:
is if the desire to more widely punish driven by a love of the politician and a desire to help them or a desire to dispense justice and punishment? If it is the latter, that too may be a sin that renders one unfit for communion
This is a good reminder. It is too easy to make quick judgments.

The phrases “pariah treatment” and “used as a weapon” are not the direction my thoughts were heading. It is important that the eucharist be revered, respected and protected. Jesus made a tremendous sacrifice for us and we in turn should treat his actions accordingly. Jesus would have had many opportunities to back out of his path, but he chose to face his fate for us.

One last question: Would I be able to face my mother before going to receive communion?
 
My first question is: what is the acronym SCHIP?
SCHIP is a very popular, bi-partisan, program that provides health care primarily to children of the working poor. There was an intense ideological battle over it in recent years, and the bishops pretty vocally sided against the president. I used it as an example because we learned yesterday that the number of children hungry in American jumped about 50% last year (to 700,000) and access to health care dropped.

How to address this is a reasonable discussion, but I am certain that I would not like to face the judgement in Matthew 25 today.
The first politician that comes to mind is Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi. Her statement about the catholic church not knowing when life begins was troubling:
I found that whole thing interesting on two fronts. First, Pelosi’s comments were not, if interpretted a certain way, particularly incorrect. In the immediate response, the bishop acknowledged that she may have been referring to ensoulment. If so, then she was fairly accurate. Even today, the Church defers on the question of delayed ensoulment.

Presently, we make no distinction for ensouled fetal life, but it is false to assert that we never did. The distinction did not change until the end of the 19th century. This does not mean that the Church was ever ‘pro-choice’. Abortion has always, in general, been seen as a sin. So it made sense for the bishops to issue clarification. But I found the bishops’ formal statement on “constant teaching” very surprising. I would not say that it was untrue, but it was spun very heavily.

For example, the use of the Didache by way of a lone example was interesting, but the two biggest concerns I had were that it asserted that science has a definitive answer and that it seemed intentionally vague about the morality of certain cases.

From a scientific point of view, the origin of distinct individual life is blurry. For example, at the earliest stages of development the cells act like maternal tissue (there are actually a lot more examples, but many are hard to explain). It seems odd for the bishops to point to science when our teaching does not require it. Invoking science would just seem to open the door to arguments of distraction from abortion proponents.

The other thing that troubled me was the very vague paragraph about certain difficult cases. The timeline seemed as close to a falsehood as the document comes, and I wondered why no examples were included. Clearly, it was referencing issues like saving maternal life and specific eugenic applications. I keep wondering why so unclear? One possibility would be that the bishops know that abortion exceptions for maternal life are popular, even among Catholics. Another might be that the bishops did not want to point out starkly that positions like Palin’s and McCains are intrinsically evil as well.

Either of these is troubling to me. If something is popular, but in error, then the bishops should be instructing and correcting. If the bishops were being political, then the question arises, at what point does complicency with intrinsic evil no longer qualify as remote?

As far as Pelosi herself, I do not agree with her stated position on abortion and secular law, but I cannot really fault her for an imperfect understanding of our teaching and history on abortion. After all, part of the reason that many Catholics were extremely disturbed by her comments was because they, themselves, were not fully informed on the subject, so her comments seemed alien and utterly new.
 
From a scientific point of view, the origin of distinct individual life is blurry.
Not too blurry. The question is, when does a new and distinct individual of the human species have its beginning? Embryology texts start with fertilization, since that is when a new and genetically distinct individual is formed and begins to develop. Every one of us began that way.
It doesn’t seem particularly blurry to me.

As to pro-abortion Catholic politicians receiving communion, I offer an example from my State of Kansas. Our Governor, Kathleen Sebelius, a Catholic has long been a pro-abortion politician, and strongly so.

For some time, her bishops, both former and present, have advised her privately that she ought to either change her stance on abortion, or not cause public scandal by continuing to receive communion in the Catholic Church. For it was becoming a matter of public scandal. Catholics in Kansas who thought it was OK to be both Catholic and pro-choice could simply point to the governor’s presence in the communion line.

The present Archbishop of Kansas City KS also wrote her privately, asking her to refrain from receiving communion as it was causing public scandal. She disregarded his instructions. At this point, he sent a public letter once again advising her to avoid giving public scandal in the matter, along with his reasons. He did not, at that point, direct any priest or parish to withhold the sacrament from her, but appealed to refrain from communion on her own volition. Following the public instruction, as far as I know, to date she has complied. So the matter is resolved for now.
 
Not too blurry. The question is, when does a new and distinct individual of the human species have its beginning? Embryology texts start with fertilization, since that is when a new and genetically distinct individual is formed and begins to develop. Every one of us began that way.
It doesn’t seem particularly blurry to me.
But it doesn’t have to start that way. We know that a person, biologically correct in every way, could be started from a cell from a mole on your ear - complete with unique DNA. That sort of act would, itself, be a sin, but the resulting person would undoubedly be a fellow child of God.

And, about half the time a zygote does not become an obvious human person. Of these, a fair number become permanently integrated into the mother’s body. But we don’t insist that women refrain from medical treatment lest we ‘murder’ one.
As to pro-abortion Catholic politicians receiving communion, I offer an example from my State of Kansas. Our Governor, Kathleen Sebelius, a Catholic has long been a pro-abortion politician, and strongly so.

For some time, her bishops, both former and present, have advised her privately that she ought to either change her stance on abortion, or not cause public scandal by continuing to receive communion in the Catholic Church. For it was becoming a matter of public scandal. Catholics in Kansas who thought it was OK to be both Catholic and pro-choice could simply point to the governor’s presence in the communion line.

The present Archbishop of Kansas City KS also wrote her privately, asking her to refrain from receiving communion as it was causing public scandal. She disregarded his instructions. At this point, he sent a public letter once again advising her to avoid giving public scandal in the matter, along with his reasons. He did not, at that point, direct any priest or parish to withhold the sacrament from her, but appealed to refrain from communion on her own volition. Following the public instruction, as far as I know, to date she has complied. So the matter is resolved for now.
Which is a perfect example of why it is a process and under the prudential judgement of a bishop. Voting for abortion is, per papal authority, not always a sin. If it was, US Catholics couldn’t licitly vote for major party presidential candidates.

That is why each case must be treated as unique. The proper authority took the steps recommended by Pope John Paul. Only after that was the extraordinary step, which runs contrary to the training of priests by the way, taken.
 
what i mean is, why don’t the u.s. bishops emphatically state that any pro-abortion catholic politician who does not repent and become pro-life is excommunicated?
Because politicians are not representing the catholic church they are representing the people that voted for them. That is why they are in office.

You cannot open democracy to a religious view. You may want a politician to support your views butt as soon as a politician comes along who is not of your religion, and attempts to push his agenda,you will know why a seperation of church and state is required.

You cannot have democracy, if the vote itself, is meaningless. If the politician voted in , simply does what he wants in accordance to his faith and not what he promised, the democracy and his faith supurflous.

Do you support democracy?
 
AgingCatholic,

You allege earlier that
There is no evidence that either Pelosi or Biden have been involved in direct abortions themselves. Neither has even been involved in votes reqarding the the core legality of abortion. I believe that their public positions are incorrect, but their ‘public sin’ is in a fairly remote way. It is up to their bishops to tend to them spiritually, not me. And both have, seemingly, opened up a dialog with the Magesterium, as a Catholic should do in cases of dissent.
While they may not have been able to vote on the “core legality” of abortion, Pelosi (I haven’t yet looked up Biden’s record) has REPEATEDLY been given the chance to “limit the harm done” by limiting abortions and NOT DONE SO. One wonderful thing about technology these days is that public records are easy to obtain. Her full record is here ( votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=26732 ) but here’s a snapshot:
  • In 2006 she voted AGAINST requiring the women be informed about the gestational age of their child and the pain the child could experience during an abortion.
  • In 2006 she voted against a law that would have banned transporting minors across state lines (by someone OTHER than their parents) to obtain an abortion without parental consent. YES this was being done and she chose to NOT vote to ban it. She also did this in 2005
  • In 2005 she voted to remove the ban on the use of federal funds to pay for abortions overseas. Had the bill gone her way, it would have resulted in an INCREASE in abortions.
  • In 2003 she voted against a ban on partial-birth abortions. She did it again in the same year.
  • In 2001 she voted for an amendment that would REPLACE bill language. This one is a bit complicated so bear with me. The BILL sought to “establish a federal crime for violent or assaultive conduct against a pregnant woman”, but framed the crime based on injury or harm to the fetus. The amendment SHE voted FOR tried to reframe the crime in terms of its impact on the PREGNANCY (not the fetal life). Why does this impact abortion? To vote for the bill as it WAS would have established more legal protections for the fetus. It would have helped to change our culture’s view on unborn children and would have helped to LIMIT the harm done by abortion.
  • In 2000 and 2000 and 2000 she voted to remove the ban on the use of federal funds for abortions, both here and overseas.
The list goes on and on and on. Over and over she has voted to increase funding for abortions. She has voted against any restrictions on abortion.

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How are her actions fitting in with what the USCCB said in “Living the Gospel of Life”
Catholics who are privileged to serve in public leadership positions have an obligation to place their faith at the heart of their public service, particularly on issues regarding the sanctity and dignity of human life. Thomas More, the former chancellor of England who preferred to give his life rather than betray his Catholic convictions, went to his execution with the words, “I die the king’s good servant, but God’s first.” In the United States in the late 1990s, elected officials safely keep their heads. But some will face a political penalty for living their public office in accord with their pro-life convictions. To those who choose this path, we assure them that their course is just, they save lives through their witness, and God and history will not forget them. Moreover, the risk of witness should not be exaggerated, and the power of witness should not be underestimated. In an age of artifice, many voters are hungry for substance. They admire and support political figures who speak out sincerely for their moral convictions. For our part we commend Catholic and other public officials who, with courage and determination, use their positions of leadership to promote respect for all human life.
We urge those Catholic officials who choose to depart from Church teaching on the inviolability of human life in their public life to consider the consequences for their own spiritual well being, as well as the scandal they risk by leading others into serious sin. We call on them to reflect on the grave contradiction of assuming public roles and presenting themselves as credible Catholics when their actions on fundamental issues of human life are not in agreement with Church teaching. No public official, especially one claiming to be a faithful and serious Catholic, can responsibly advocate for or actively support direct attacks on innocent human life. Certainly there are times when it may be impossible to overturn or prevent passage of a law which allows or promotes a moral evil – such as a law allowing the destruction of nascent human life. In such cases, an elected official, whose position in favor of life is known, could seek legitimately to limit the harm done by the law. However, no appeal to policy, procedure, majority will or pluralism ever excuses a public official from defending life to the greatest extent possible. As is true of leaders in all walks of life, no political leader can evade accountability for his or her exercise of power (Evangelium Vitae, 73-4). Those who justify their inaction on the grounds that abortion is the law of the land need to recognize that there is a higher law, the law of God. No human law can validly contradict the Commandment: “Thou shalt not kill.”
The Gospel of Life must be proclaimed, and human life defended, in all places and all times. The arena for moral responsibility includes not only the halls of government, but the voting booth as well. Laws that permit abortion, euthanasia and assisted suicide are profoundly unjust, and we should work peacefully and tirelessly to oppose and change them. Because they are unjust they cannot bind citizens in conscience, be supported, acquiesced in, or recognized as valid. Our nation cannot countenance the continued existence in our society of such fundamental violations of human rights.
(Sections 31-33. Also of interest are sections 23-25)
Pelosi’s public, unwavering support for abortion causes scandal. Her positions lead Catholics to believe that its ok to support abortion. It also causes great scandal for our Protestant brothers and sisters who know the church’s teaching on abortion and yet see pro-abortion politicians receiving communion when they are denied. It’s even hard for me (not Catholic yet) to see someone like Pelosi or Biden or Kerry or Gulianni receive communion when I - who agree FULLY with Catholic doctrine and just have to wait until the Easter Vigil - still cannot receive communion. Pelosi’s votes are a GREATER scandal than someone who is divorced and remarried because her opposition to Catholic doctrine is even MORE well known - and she claims in speeches broadcast to the ENTIRE NATION that she falls within Catholic doctrine.

While I understand that it is up to the Bishops to deal with the situation, and I leave the judgment ultimately in their hands, I am glad when I see more of them taking a more firm stand against these Catholic politicians who publicly and steadfastly oppose Catholic teaching on intrinsic evils.

You mention John McCain and Sarah Palin - they would be denied communion anyway based on their protestant status. I agree that they aren’t perfectly pro-life. Would I like to see them drop the exceptions they favor? Absolutely yes. But voting against a ban on partial birth abortion or voting to use federal funding for abortions is FAR worse than a vote that would ban all abortions except for those necessary for the life of the mother or in cases of rape and incest. They are FAR more pro-life than Nancy Pelosi is.
 
While they may not have been able to vote on the “core legality” of abortion, Pelosi (I haven’t yet looked up Biden’s record) has REPEATEDLY been given the chance to “limit the harm done” by limiting abortions and NOT DONE SO. One wonderful thing about technology these days is that public records are easy to obtain.
The concept of “limiting the harm” was introduced by JPII in Evangelium Vitae, but in the CDF Doctrinal Note on Participation in Political Life put out in 2002 (and approved by JPII), licit applications where made very narrow.

The Church specifically stated that limiting the harm could not be at the expense of other fundamental moral principles, and even gave a pretty broad list of principles which are not negotiable.

While Roe and Casey are in effect, the ability to ‘limit harm’ in terms of actually stopping abortions is pretty small. On the flip side, many of these attempts to minimize have other potential impacts.

Let’s take the example of prop 4, or Sarah’s law, which just failed in California. It is basically a parental notification law for minors wishing to obtain abortions. The stated reason for the law was that abortion is a surgical procedure with serious risks, and parents have a right to protect their children from death.

But, as nice as that sounds, everyone knows up front that is not the real reason for the law. The hope would be that parental notification would stop some abortions. Stopping abortions is a laudable goal, but it does not (at least in Church teaching) trump all other moral obligations.

So we have to look at the full ramifications of the law, and the efforts to pass it. Right off the bat, there is an identifiable moral conflict. There hasn’t been an identifiable problem with minors being physically harmed or killed receiving abortions that their parents were unaware of in California, ‘Sarah’ had to be brought in from out of state. Jammie Garcia Yanez-Villegas was a 15 year old who died, seemingly, of a post abortion infection in Texas in 1994.

Further, from discovery in a legal suit about the proposition, it appears that ‘Sarah’ was not used to protect privacy, but because the sponsors thought that there would be more sympathy if Jammie’s ethnicity was concealed. Compared to abortion, many people would consider these issues small, but they have to be acknowledged. The law was being promoted by contending that there was a (seemingly) non existent problem in the state and the message was (seemingly) being tailored to accommodate racism.

Two larger moral problems also exist. First many proponents of the law repeatedly contended that there has never been a death or serious injury as a result of parental notification laws. But it only takes a few minutes with Google to discover that this is untrue. In addition to the horrible case in Michigan where the girl had her boyfriend repeatedly beat her stomach with a baseball bat, there seem to be at least two suicides and one death from an illegal abortion.

Second, ‘Sarah’s Law’ would not have applied to Sarah. Sarah was already a mother and living in a common law marriage, her parents would not have been notified.

The reason I see these as larger moral complications is that “society’s protection of minors” is specifically listed by Rome as a non negotiable moral principle in voting. If some minors would be injured, then they have to be at least considered by Catholics in voting. Attempting to conceal their existence then becomes a pretty serious offense against the 8th Commandment.

Also, when 15 year olds are parents, living in common law marriages, and dying from abortions, I believe that we have already failed, collectively, in our duty to protect minors. Using that failure (and horrible tragedy) as a tool to promote other purposes is not, in of itself, particularly Christian behavior.

When all things are weighed, I know how I would have voted, but it would be wrong of me to judge California Catholics who reached different conclusions. We all sense the certainty of our moral conscience, but we must remain aware of its fallibility (CCC 1790).

In an emotionally charged issue like abortion it is hard not to start judging and making moral comparisons between ourselves and others. But we are expressly warned against this in the Gospels (Prodigal Son, Pharisee and the Publican, etc.) Such judgements are, themselves, sins.

Think of it this way. Last year children in hunger jumped about 50% in the US, to about 700,000. There is no doubt in my mind that this is something we will have to answer for when we stand before the Son of Man (Matthew 25). I could probably identify a bunch of places in your voting and your everyday life which I could point to and argue that you had not done everything in your power to limit this harm. But that would be my prudential judgement, you have yours. We all pronounce that we are unworthy for communion when we receive it, how can we be totally sincere in that portion of the Mass if we are also arguing that ‘unworthy’ is a sliding scale?

This is why JPII set the standards and process he did for applying CIC 915. This is a matter for Pelosi and her bishop, not for you and I. No matter how sure we may be that we can correctly judge her personal state of grace.

Peace.
 
You mention John McCain and Sarah Palin - they would be denied communion anyway based on their protestant status. I agree that they aren’t perfectly pro-life. Would I like to see them drop the exceptions they favor? Absolutely yes. But voting against a ban on partial birth abortion or voting to use federal funding for abortions is FAR worse than a vote that would ban all abortions except for those necessary for the life of the mother or in cases of rape and incest. They are FAR more pro-life than Nancy Pelosi is.
I am sorry, I just can’t make those kinds of determinations about others. Look at Palin, in her brief public life she stated that she would not push her views on abortion on others (AP 2006) and seems to have kept that promise to Alaska.

McCain has also flip flopped on overturning Roe (AP 1999, AP 2003). How do I know what someone’s sincere intentions are and what they are telling me just to get elected?

I know that a lot of Catholics are convinced that pragmatic voting will lower abortions, but I also know a lot of Catholics who have become convinced that reality has not born this out. Electing a Bush vs. a Clinton doesn’t have a direct measurable effect on abortions, and the courts->Roe->paradise theory is not exactly problem free. I know that I was really disappointed with the Carhart opinion, but it was keeping in line with Roberts’ and Alito’s confirmation testimony. For either of them to overturn Roe or Casey, I have to make the leap of faith that they were lying or hedging in their statements.

Please understand, I am in no way pro-choice, I just am saying that I can empathize with frustration with the compromise voting strategy. Social conservatives created one party rule, and big business reaped the tangible rewards. I am not suggesting that you agree or disagree, I am just pointing out that we are all sinners who pray together each week for unity and peace. Obtaining that gift from God might be easier if we try to build on our commonalities instead of trying to label and demonize ‘bad’ Catholics.
 
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