Why are so many Catholics attending non-denominational services?

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That is exactly what you’re saying-and what pretty much everyone is saying on this thread.

“They don’t understand”, “they want to be entertained”, “they can do whatever they want”, “they want to feel good about themselves”, “they are like toddlers”…
In answering the OP’s question - “Why are Catholics leaving for ND Churches?” - I think the answers are varied, but the heart of it is that they do not realize the gift Jesus left in the one true Church He established - the Catholic Church. If minimalist Catholics and fallen away Catholics really comprehended that the God of the universe and the Creator of all things is alive and present - Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity - at every Mass and in every tabernacle, how could they chose anything less than that?

But even for me, as a practicing Catholic (practicing because I don’t have it all figured out yet) who attends Mass daily, it’s still an awesome realization - Jesus Christ is here! He loves me! He loves all of us! He wants us in perfect union with Him!! it IS a lot to take in.

I have learned that one reality is that cradle Catholics who receive their Sacraments and are never in Church again until adulthood have a very hard time as adults because the simplicity of the Faith they learned as 8 year olds doesn’t always help answer complex adult questions. Our understanding has to grow and mature . . .like St. Paul said “when I was a child, I spoke like a child . . . and when I was a man … . .”

That seems to be the tipping point. Can we move thru an adult faith on childhood catechism? Personally, I don’t think so.

Then the critical factor happens - do I choose to know and live adult Catholic faith or seek another route? For many, it is just more convenient and way easier to go another route. . . . .

That doesn’t make them “bad” . . . it means those of us practicing and teaching the Faith need to take a closer look at if, when or where we might have failed our brothers and sisters and what we are doing to try to bring people Home.
 
Another thing my friend says - the ND churches are comprised primarily of young singles and young families. Whereas her old Catholic Church was “75% 60+”

“The kids don’t complain about going to “Journey” like they did going to Mass.”
 
It might be somewhat reversed where I am JM. My parish has a lot of young families. And we had a lot of people show up on Holy Thursday. Sunday Masses have full attendance. Our CCD classes are becoming too full. Our pastor is actually bringing back some of the “smells and bells” and there is little objection even among a congregation that most would label “social justice Catholics.”

And a neighboring parish has no problem filling up 24/7 adoration during Lent. It’s also been so successful in reaching out to the local university that the Dominican order has sent more priests to the church to bolster the efforts and establish it as a model for the rest of the country.

The Catholic community on campus is absolutely thriving. And it’s a state university. No religious affiliation whatsoever. In fact, I’m sure it’s founder would be very upset to see Catholicism burgeoning so much there!
 
Another thing my friend says - the ND churches are comprised primarily of young singles and young families. Whereas her old Catholic Church was “75% 60+”

“The kids don’t complain about going to “Journey” like they did going to Mass.”
I just don’t see that. I live in a city where there are many Catholic churches and all are strong with families. Large Catholic families too and all have youth groups and most have schools attached but yes there are many elderly that you probably don’t see at a ND church because of maybe the rock music. It is good to see our churches with many elderly. That can be a great witness to the young that faith is something that carries you throughout your entire life and that wisdom comes with age. I don’t think it is good to reject a church or seek out a church based on the age of the members.

I can understand that, kids will complain about a lot of things, mostly to try and get out of something or to get to do something, like not eat their vegetables or not go to school, it is their way of testing us but as parents it is our responsibility to not let their complaining stop them from doing what is right.
 
It might be somewhat reversed where I am JM. My parish has a lot of young families. And we had a lot of people show up on Holy Thursday. Sunday Masses have full attendance. Our CCD classes are becoming too full. Our pastor is actually bringing back some of the “smells and bells” and there is little objection even among a congregation that most would label “social justice Catholics.”

And a neighboring parish has no problem filling up 24/7 adoration during Lent. It’s also been so successful in reaching out to the local university that the Dominican order has sent more priests to the church to bolster the efforts and establish it as a model for the rest of the country.

The Catholic community on campus is absolutely thriving. And it’s a state university. No religious affiliation whatsoever. In fact, I’m sure it’s founder would be very upset to see Catholicism burgeoning so much there!
Similar to our situation.

Our parish is thriving. It’s filled with young couples and lots of kids.
Adoration will be 24/7 this fall and my husband and I got one of the last slot times available. Our WOG group has 60 women in it. The men’s group just started this year and it has 30. We had Lenten missions for a week this Lent and it was a full house every night.
The prayer groups that go to the abortion clinics to pray get larger every year.
Same with the group that goes to the March for Life every year.
We bring in more people every single year for RCIA.

The thing is our Priest is young and has only been at our Parish for only five years. He is also Orthodox and made a lot of changes that stirred the pot when he came in.

He started perpetual adoration, benediction and a traditional Latin Mass. He got rid of the Eucharistic Ministers and the female alter servers. This upset a TON of people and many said the Church would suffer as a result.

The exact opposite happened. The Church thrives! We now have 10 alter servers for each Mass and they all can do the Latin Mass and benediction. We have one alter server who is entering the seminary this year. This is something that hasn’t happened in decades before
our Priest arrived and it only took him a couple of years to accomplish.

There are so many Catholic parishes in my area. My husband and I counted out 20 in a 5 mile radius of our house. There are two Catholic high schools and 8 elementary schools about 20 mins from our house.
 
Similar to our situation.

Our parish is thriving. It’s filled with young couples and lots of kids.
Adoration will be 24/7 this fall and my husband and I got one of the last slot times available. Our WOG group has 60 women in it. The men’s group just started this year and it has 30. We had Lenten missions for a week this Lent and it was a full house every night.
The prayer groups that go to the abortion clinics to pray get larger every year.
Same with the group that goes to the March for Life every year.
We bring in more people every single year for RCIA.

The thing is our Priest is young and has only been at our Parish for only five years. He is also Orthodox and made a lot of changes that stirred the pot when he came in.

He started perpetual adoration, benediction and a traditional Latin Mass. He got rid of the Eucharistic Ministers and the female alter servers. This upset a TON of people and many said the Church would suffer as a result.

The exact opposite happened. The Church thrives! We now have 10 alter servers for each Mass and they all can do the Latin Mass and benediction. We have one alter server who is entering the seminary this year. This is something that hasn’t happened in decades before
our Priest arrived and it only took him a couple of years to accomplish.

There are so many Catholic parishes in my area. My husband and I counted out 20 in a 5 mile radius of our house. There are two Catholic high schools and 8 elementary schools about 20 mins from our house.
Wow, that sounds great. Our parish is similar, the priest has brought a lot of orthodoxy into the church and is has really made a huge difference in the attendance and many activities going on all the time. 🙂
 
Our pastor would likely never throw away female altar servers. And there’s no reason to do that anyway since they’re perfectly acceptable.

But he’s gone so far as to encourage adults who are not EMHC or lectors to become altar servers! That’s A-OK with me. Who says altar servers have to be teenage boys? Get people involved. So we’ve got four altar servers for every Mass, added limited adoration and done a few other things like had benediction for the first time in awhile.

I concede that it does stir the pot here too. We’ve got a lot and I mean a lot of “liberal Catholics” here. Our pastor has done a magnificent job though. How can you seriously object to someone asking his congregation to pray the Rosary more often? How can you object to someone saying that reconciliation and the Eucharist are essential to being a good Catholic? He’s orthodox but not politically conservative.

Yes, he’s staunchly pro-life but he’s also very much active in reaching out to the poor. In short, he’s Catholic. And it’s hard to argue with style changes like bringing bells in for consecration or having the choir chant a bit more Latin during major celebrations. I mean, how is that objectionable in the least?

Attendance at Mass is up on the margins and we’re gaining recognition among the more traditional folks that our parish is open to them too. I think that’s great. We need to heal the unnecessary divide between “social justice Catholics” and “conservative Catholics.” Orthodoxy does not preclude being loving. Pope Francis is a great example of that.

Our pastor has a few detractors among the lay leadership, but they can’t really decide why they object, so they keep most of their criticism to things like how he overbooks himself. Which is true. But it’s not a major issue; he needs a real secretary or scheduler though! He also has a strong legion of supporters and the entire parish is certainly enjoying the fact that a sense of community is being fostered. It’s not just some more traditional stuff at Mass (in fact, I think in some respect it’s in spite of it). It’s that we’re adding a TON of other things like pancake breakfasts, gatherings related to feasts and holidays, churchwide outings. That kind of stuff. When you bring all that together under one roof, the objections on all sides tend to melt away slowly.
 
Another thing my friend says - the ND churches are comprised primarily of young singles and young families. Whereas her old Catholic Church was “75% 60+”

“The kids don’t complain about going to “Journey” like they did going to Mass.”
I think this depends on where you are. If you are in a rural area or in more traditionally catholic areas, then yes, the practicing catholic population is over 60+ However, I think if you look hard enough, you can find young flourishing parishes. In my diocese, the more urban and suburban parishes thrive and keep young people. Not that the smaller ones don’t, but its more your typical old ladies and men who go to mass while most just don’t practice at all
 
I think this depends on where you are. If you are in a rural area or in more traditionally catholic areas, then yes, the practicing catholic population is over 60+ However, I think if you look hard enough, you can find young flourishing parishes. In my diocese, the more urban and suburban parishes thrive and keep young people. Not that the smaller ones don’t, but its more your typical old ladies and men who go to mass while most just don’t practice at all
IMHO, I don’t think so. The small towns outside of the city near us are full of young families also. One town in particular is mostly all Catholic and mass is always full with young families and elderly both. Traditional Catholic churches have large traditional families or are where many large homeschooling families attend. Many young families are returning to the traditional parishes.

I think part of the problem with the argument that there are many elderly in a parish is that if we see elderly people in church then people tend to think it is not up with todays culture but I think it just means it is a church for all seasons of life.
 
I would like to give my comparison between the “nondenominational” church services and Mass. I have attended both large nondenominational services as a Protestant and Mass for the last two years. What strikes me as the largest difference is the, ahem, audience participation in Mass is a lot greater. Sometimes I regret not having a Sunday morning sermon as a time to relax.😛 The Nondenominational churches focused more on meeting the desires of the attenders. They would have programs to meet the emotional needs of the attenders–like movie night or a mom’s group.

One thing that poster keep mentioning is how old the parishioners are in Catholic churches and how empty the churches are. I find in my area that every parish has at least three Masses and they are for the most part fairly well attended. Yes they are a lot of elderly people. And there are also a large number of young families. Evangelical churches choose the attenders that they want and set up the church for it. I was enough of an insider to be in a church planting group to know that they aimed to appeal to “professional young families.” And it was stated exactly in those terms too. So that may be why they appeal to some people.

It didn’t in the long run appeal to me.
 
I like seeing the elderly in the church. It reminds me that they have persevered in the faith and if you watch them, many are very deep in prayer. I can’t help but believe that they are praying for those of us that are coming up behind them. Their sons and daughters and grandchildren and others who are in need of help on the journey. I welcome that and need that. It also reminds me that soon they won’t be with us but will be in need of our prayers as they continue their journey through purgatory to heaven and that they will continue to be praying for us with a much better viewpoint of our needs.

🙂
 
In answering the OP’s question - “Why are Catholics leaving for ND Churches?” - I think the answers are varied, but the heart of it is that they do not realize the gift Jesus left in the one true Church He established - the Catholic Church. If minimalist Catholics and fallen away Catholics really comprehended that the God of the universe and the Creator of all things is alive and present - Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity - at every Mass and in every tabernacle, how could they chose anything less than that?

But even for me, as a practicing Catholic (practicing because I don’t have it all figured out yet) who attends Mass daily, it’s still an awesome realization - Jesus Christ is here! He loves me! He loves all of us! He wants us in perfect union with Him!! it IS a lot to take in.

I have learned that one reality is that cradle Catholics who receive their Sacraments and are never in Church again until adulthood have a very hard time as adults because the simplicity of the Faith they learned as 8 year olds doesn’t always help answer complex adult questions. Our understanding has to grow and mature . . .like St. Paul said “when I was a child, I spoke like a child . . . and when I was a man … . .”

That seems to be the tipping point. Can we move thru an adult faith on childhood catechism? Personally, I don’t think so.

Then the critical factor happens - do I choose to know and live adult Catholic faith or seek another route? For many, it is just more convenient and way easier to go another route. . . . .

That doesn’t make them “bad” . . . it means those of us practicing and teaching the Faith need to take a closer look at if, when or where we might have failed our brothers and sisters and what we are doing to try to bring people Home.
THANK YOU!

All I’m trying to say is that we cannot sit idly by and point fingers at those who leave and not take a look at what we might have done or not done to make it easier for them to go.

We can’t just call them “children” or “ignorant” or “lazy” and puff up with pride that we are “mature”, “intelligent” and “disciplined” in comparison.
 
Our pastor would likely never throw away female altar servers. And there’s no reason to do that anyway since they’re perfectly acceptable.

But he’s gone so far as to encourage adults who are not EMHC or lectors to become altar servers! That’s A-OK with me. Who says altar servers have to be teenage boys? Get people involved. So we’ve got four altar servers for every Mass, added limited adoration and done a few other things like had benediction for the first time in awhile.
His simple reasoning behind getting rid of the female alter servers was one question:
“Where else will I find our future priests?”

So far it’s worked. Three years later we have our first seminarian in decades.

Besides…he doesn’t limit alter servers to teenage boys. Any boy who is of age to receive communion.
 
gardenswithkids said:
Note: EasterJoy asked if the teachers were orthodox, *not *if they active.

I know some people from my high school who are very active in the Catholic faith but who are not orthodox. The most unorthodox of them attended Catholic colleges. They work actively to undermine Church teachings, supporting things such women priests, planned parenthood, homosexual unions and a variety of other things that are* directly in contrast* to Church moral teachings. Sadly, they* think* they are good Catholics who follow their (malformed) consciences. We grew up surrounded by Catholic “culture”, but did not learn how to be orthodox.
The difference between active and orthodox cannot be stressed too much. If there is anything that will undermine a young Catholic’s attachment to the Church, it is adults (and especially teachers at their Catholic school) who are very active in the Church but who feel free to believe what they want about what the Church teaches. What they are doing with their otherwise praiseworthy “active” example when they combine it with skepticism about Church authority is to teach relativism.

The other danger to life-long faith is Catholic adult models who are very vocal about being Catholic but who think that this means not one bit more than getting their hind end into a pew and getting their envelope into the basket every Sunday…or “most” Sundays. This is made even worse when they make observance into a power struggle in their home. When a son or daughter resists going to Mass, there needs to be effort to help the child make a connection to the faith, to help them find the meaning and nourishment in the Mass that they are not finding. As others have pointed out, it is not just laziness that causes disaffection from Mass, and affection cannot be shoved into someone’s heart by force. To discipline is “to make a disciple of”, rather than simply enforcing rules.

Still, this is a world that encourages “think for yourself” and “follow your bliss” and all of that, and some non-denominational churches really cater to the kind of errors that result. Again: they are so many that nearly everything is to be found in them. Let us face it: there are some “communities” that there, communities not in communion with Rome, who even simulate the Mass, who pretend to be in communion with the Church, and yet who set themselves up as authorities who can re-define everything from the rubrics to sexual morality! Go from there to the churches who define being a Christian as first and foremost not being a Catholic, and that must contain somewhere within it the whole spectrum of error!

The Church is also being attacked with fervor because of stands on moral issues that defy the rest of the culture. It is being attacked because profound betrayals of trust by a few are being used to tar and feather the entire priesthood. No one who loses a family member to these errors ought to punish themselves about it, but rather should hang in there and pray for those who have strayed. I know priests who have siblings who have done the same. I know valedictorians from very good Catholic schools who leave the Church not for a non-denominational church, but for no church at all. We live in irreligious times and relativistic times. It is very hard, and we are behind the 8 ball in a lot of ways, ways that are not entirely in the control of the Church. We need to do what we can do where we can do it, and leave the rest in the hands of God.
 
. . . it means those of us practicing and teaching the Faith need to take a closer look at if, when or where we might have failed our brothers and sisters and what we are doing to try to bring people Home.
Patrick Madrid, who I think is an excellent apologist, has a 10 talk series called Search and Rescue on bringing our family and friends back to the church. It is free at EWTN, if you search Patrick Madrid under audio in the library section. Just type in Patrick Madrid if my link doesn’t work. I am listening to it and I think he has many great points and sound teaching.

ewtn.com/vondemand/audio/…patrick+madrid
 
Oh our church is huge - over 5,00 registered members. I’d say the 60+ crowd is probably disproportionately represented, but there are still a good number of families too. Our parish is pretty modern, so you’re not going to see the homeschooling 7-kid families there, but our youth program is full. Probably full of a lot of cafeteria Catholics, but still full.

I think a lot of the new “cool” ND churches (in our area they are called “Journey” “Reality” “Nexus” “Relevance” and “Crossroads”) are specifically marketed to young people though, and you’re not seeing the little old ladies you would at a Mass or mainline Protestant service. I think they want it that way. Service are a cross between a folk rock concert, a coffee shop, a carnival and a tent revival - the elderly want something that reminds them of the church they grew up in.

We live in a quiet upper middle class suburban town. I wish we had a parish that was on fire for orthodox Catholicism, but we just don’t. While the ND churches are preaching a lesser Christianity, it is HARD to find people at our parish who are fired up for Christ. I get that if they’re looking for that kind of Christian fellowship, the ND church appears to provide that.
 
THANK YOU!

All I’m trying to say is that we cannot sit idly by and point fingers at those who leave and not take a look at what we might have done or not done to make it easier for them to go.

We can’t just call them “children” or “ignorant” or “lazy” and puff up with pride that we are “mature”, “intelligent” and “disciplined” in comparison.
RIGHT ON!
And, I don’t think any of “us” can call ourselves spiritually mature . . . . I mean, if any one of us REALLY got it that JESUS HIMSELF IS HERE . . . would any of us be anywhere but on our knees in Church every minute of the day? It’s easy for any of us to become complacent.
 
IMHO, I don’t think so. The small towns outside of the city near us are full of young families also. One town in particular is mostly all Catholic and mass is always full with young families and elderly both. Traditional Catholic churches have large traditional families or are where many large homeschooling families attend. Many young families are returning to the traditional parishes.

I think part of the problem with the argument that there are many elderly in a parish is that if we see elderly people in church then people tend to think it is not up with todays culture but I think it just means it is a church for all seasons of life.
I do like your seasons of life statement, but sadly when people see only old people attending mass, they do think its not very exciting unless they are very self motivated. I will say though i’m extremely biased. There aren’t a lot of young people in my area. I will say though the few young families do go to mass, its just young single people like me who never go. Hopefully I will be moving soon, but who knows.
 
I attend both a local non-denominational church and the Catholic church that I grew up in. It’s hard to p(name removed by moderator)oint when I started having difficulties with our local church but definitely after I was married. My husband isn’t Catholic but was very willing to support me going to church but, in his own words, didn’t get anything out of mass and was only going to make me happy. That made me pause and think of what I really wanted for our family. I still don’t know the answer.

What I do know is that out of the three priests that belong to our church one I cannot understand (in fact many cannot understand and petitions have been written to the Bishop of our Diocese to move him to a Vietnamese speaking community as he would flourish there), one I can understand half of the time (he is from the Philippines only as an older adult did he move to the US, and the third is easily understood but 70+ (I think 76) years old and doesn’t have the energy that he once had. As a mother of a young child I cannot attend the bible studies as no childcare is offered and there is no mothers group like MOPS even offered. I tried participating in the Mass as much as possible but with a very active 2 year old and a husband who only attends sporadically I was basically spending the mass trying to contain my child and wasn’t getting any message out church. Yes, I’d receive the Eucharist but when it was after a 50 minute struggle to keep Abby quiet, still, and contained any grace I might have gotten was overcome by frustration and just wanting Mass to end so I could get out of there and get home so Abby could get her wiggles out. There is no childcare available and Sunday school doesn’t start until the child is 3.

At the non-denominational church I miss the hymns, the traditional worship, and the reverence. I do enjoy being able to understand everything that is being said and find myself really interested in the sermon since it’s basically an hour long bible study with real life application. Abby goes into the children’s program for Sunday school where she colors Bible pictures, sings Bible songs, and watches a Bible movie (such as Veggie Tales). I get my faith bucket filled for the week and find myself more apt to spread the message of God to Abby since I come away with some new nugget from the sermon.

Our local parish has stepped up for teens and kids attending the parish school. However, it still is a parish with a low-energy Priest, with unintelligible Priests, without any mothering support, and with few family activities outside of Mass.

So in a long nutshell that’s why I’m a Catholic who occasionally attends a non-denomination church. Am I happy about it? No. Do I struggle with my decision? Yes. Do I want to come back to only going to Catholic Mass? Sometimes. Am I prayerfully continuing on my Faith journey in the hopes that whatever path I may take I come closer, and my family comes closer, to God? Yes.
 
I attend both a local non-denominational church and the Catholic church that I grew up in. It’s hard to p(name removed by moderator)oint when I started having difficulties with our local church but definitely after I was married. My husband isn’t Catholic but was very willing to support me going to church but, in his own words, didn’t get anything out of mass and was only going to make me happy. That made me pause and think of what I really wanted for our family. I still don’t know the answer.

What I do know is that out of the three priests that belong to our church one I cannot understand (in fact many cannot understand and petitions have been written to the Bishop of our Diocese to move him to a Vietnamese speaking community as he would flourish there), one I can understand half of the time (he is from the Philippines only as an older adult did he move to the US, and the third is easily understood but 70+ (I think 76) years old and doesn’t have the energy that he once had. As a mother of a young child I cannot attend the bible studies as no childcare is offered and there is no mothers group like MOPS even offered. I tried participating in the Mass as much as possible but with a very active 2 year old and a husband who only attends sporadically I was basically spending the mass trying to contain my child and wasn’t getting any message out church. Yes, I’d receive the Eucharist but when it was after a 50 minute struggle to keep Abby quiet, still, and contained any grace I might have gotten was overcome by frustration and just wanting Mass to end so I could get out of there and get home so Abby could get her wiggles out. There is no childcare available and Sunday school doesn’t start until the child is 3.

At the non-denominational church I miss the hymns, the traditional worship, and the reverence. I do enjoy being able to understand everything that is being said and find myself really interested in the sermon since it’s basically an hour long bible study with real life application. Abby goes into the children’s program for Sunday school where she colors Bible pictures, sings Bible songs, and watches a Bible movie (such as Veggie Tales). I get my faith bucket filled for the week and find myself more apt to spread the message of God to Abby since I come away with some new nugget from the sermon.

Our local parish has stepped up for teens and kids attending the parish school. However, it still is a parish with a low-energy Priest, with unintelligible Priests, without any mothering support, and with few family activities outside of Mass.

So in a long nutshell that’s why I’m a Catholic who occasionally attends a non-denomination church. Am I happy about it? No. Do I struggle with my decision? Yes. Do I want to come back to only going to Catholic Mass? Sometimes. Am I prayerfully continuing on my Faith journey in the hopes that whatever path I may take I come closer, and my family comes closer, to God? Yes.
My husband is non-Catholic, too. When our children were small, he would watch them and I would attend Mass alone. They started going when they were about five, at which point we sat in the front where they could see what was going on. Now they’re adolescents, and they often serve at daily Mass. I think it is best if our children start attending Mass with us from birth on forward, but sometimes that is not best in a particular case. In our case, it was better to let them wiggle at home until they were older. (If I ever missed Mass, my husband noticed it, and not in a good way.)

I also went to both Mass and to a friend’s Protestant church, while I was in college. My friend played guitar for his church, so I’d go to hear him, mostly. It simply did not compare. I particularly noticed this during Lent and Triduum.

As for homilies, I’d suggest signing up to be on the e-mail list for the abbot’s homily from the Benedictine Monastery of Christ in the Desert, in New Mexico (christdesert.org/). It comes into your e-mail box a few days early, so you can prepare for Sunday. You can find the readings for each day at the USCCB web site. Once you get into the rhythm of the Lectionary, I don’t think the more-or-less random choices that a pastor at an independent church can choose on his own can compare. There is a lot of wisdom in the Liturgy of the Word, if you know to look for it. A good hint I got from a priest is to read the response from the responsorial psalm first, then the Gospel, then start at the first reading and read through. The first reading is chosen to foreshadow the Gospel, and the psalm is chosen sort of as an “ooh! ooh! we see what is coming!” response for the congregation. (The second reading is kind of a wild card; sometimes it is chosen to fit and bridge the other two, but sometimes it is chosen for other reasons and therefore provides a contrast to the overall theme.)

I would really recommend the book, What Happens At Mass, by Fr. Jeremy Driscoll (you will want the revised edition). He was on the committee for the new translation, a very good theologian, but he wrote this book for laypeople. It is very good, and only $13. You can get it at Amazon.com, but you can also order it directly from the bookstore at his monastery, Mt. Angel Abbey. (The address is “St. Benedict”, but that is because the Abbey has its own post office.)
 
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