Why are so many girls lesbian or bisexual? (Girls today are three times more likely than boys to be non-heterosexual. Why?)

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Dr. Leonard Sax asks an interesting question in the 4/3 issue of Psychology Today:
You’ve probably heard about Constance McMillen by now. She’s the openly-gay high school senior who wanted to take her girlfriend to the high school prom at Itawamba High School in northern Mississippi. The principal told the girls that all prom couples have to be boy-girl. Ms. McMillen called the ACLU, which threatened the school with legal action. In response, the school board canceled the prom. The ACLU then asked U.S. District Court Judge Glen Davidson to intervene and reinstate the prom. The judge ruled that although the school had violated Ms. McMillen’s civil rights, he wouldn’t force them to hold a prom. On Friday, April 2, Ms. McMillen attended an alternative prom at the Fulton County Country Club. According to the Associated Press, her girlfriend’s parents wouldn’t allow the 16-year-old girlfriend to go, so McMillen escorted another young woman instead. To make the story even worse, it turns out that the alternative prom at the Fulton County Country Club was a fake, with only seven kids attending, according to McMillen. The real prom, i.e. the prom which most of the seniors attended, was held at a still-undisclosed location, and McMillen wasn’t invited.

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But I have to wonder: Are there so many girl-girl couples out there because that’s truly who they are - or because the guys are such losers?
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I encourage you to read the rest of the article. He talks about pressure from secular guys, the influence of pornography, and the like.
 
markomalley said:
But I have to wonder: Are there so many girl-girl couples out there because that’s truly who they are - or because the guys are such losers?
[/INDENT][/INDENT]I encourage you to read the rest of the article. He talks about pressure from secular guys, the influence of pornography, and the like.
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I don’t think it is because guys are ‘losers’ as much as people are stressing kids to be sexual… so when a kid is not interested in the other gender, ‘I must be gay’. :rolleyes:

Add to that the idea that girl-girl sexual curiosity is seen as not only norm, but expected. 🤷
 
markomalley said:
Dr. Leonard Sax asks an interesting question in the 4/3 issue of Psychology Today:
You’ve probably heard about Constance McMillen by now. She’s the openly-gay high school senior who wanted to take her girlfriend to the high school prom at Itawamba High School in northern Mississippi. The principal told the girls that all prom couples have to be boy-girl. Ms. McMillen called the ACLU, which threatened the school with legal action. In response, the school board canceled the prom. The ACLU then asked U.S. District Court Judge Glen Davidson to intervene and reinstate the prom. The judge ruled that although the school had violated Ms. McMillen’s civil rights, he wouldn’t force them to hold a prom. On Friday, April 2, Ms. McMillen attended an alternative prom at the Fulton County Country Club. According to the Associated Press, her girlfriend’s parents wouldn’t allow the 16-year-old girlfriend to go, so McMillen escorted another young woman instead. To make the story even worse, it turns out that the alternative prom at the Fulton County Country Club was a fake, with only seven kids attending, according to McMillen. The real prom, i.e. the prom which most of the seniors attended, was held at a still-undisclosed location, and McMillen wasn’t invited.

But I have to wonder: Are there so many girl-girl couples out there because that’s truly who they are - or because the guys are such losers?
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I encourage you to read the rest of the article. He talks about pressure from secular guys, the influence of pornography, and the like.
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Did not the Lord predict that in the Last Days, women will turn away from their first love?

Blessings
 
I encourage you to read the rest of the article. He talks about pressure from secular guys, the influence of pornography, and the like.
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There is something missing in the article though. It did not refer to feminism…which perhaps also plays a fundamental influence on some young women.
 
Having been very much wrapped up in popular culture today, I can answer this with some cirtitude:

Women are pushed very greatly to at the very least be bi-sexual (this is the popular preference) in this day and age. I say this “From the outside looking in” as a guy, I can’t even imagine how much more pressure there must be as a woman wrapped up in the culture. It’s always out there, it always starts as “humor in good fun”, and it always gets pushed to greater and greater levels. It’s very sad, horrifying actually. It’s yet another symptom of a sexually obsessed culture…

The same won’t be true of men, because there is sort of a more general acceptance of bi-sexuality and lesbianism among women. It’s considered “hot”, actually now by both men and women alike. The same isn’t true of homosexuality… It’s almost like there’s a disconnect between lesbianism and homosexuality in popular culture. People who “hate gays” are actually pretty likely to accept lesbianism and bi-sexuality among women as being at worst (on the part of the woman) “not for me, but acceptable or understandable”. Occationally you might have one that will openly say it disgusts them, but that’s almost considered a “buzz kill”…

Makes me fear for my future family, should I have any daughters with my wife to be. Part of the reason why I really really really really want my childeren in good Catholic schools. I have great options close by for K-12, and luckily enough I’m not far from Belmount Abby.
 
I’d say it’s not a side effect of guys being losers (though today many are) but of them being cads. These girls aren’t actually lesbian or bi-sexual… they’re doing this for attention from other guys or from other people in general. When you can’t break through conventionally and you don’t want to be a “slut” because that won’t make you actually popular, you go gay, specially with the “hot” factor that crazzeto described well.

I truly believe that there are plenty of people, male and female, who deal with same sex attraction that is inherent and not necessarily result of abuse or confusion. They’re just attracted to the same sex and that’s that. But these girls aren’t in that category, they’re attention seekers who convince themselves that this is the way they can be accepted or create their own niche. Eventually habit forms their minds and they develop almost genuine same sex attraction feelings.
 
My thoughts,
  1. Experimentation
Sexually inexperienced people, especially teenagers, try a lot of things, and sometimes curiosity can lead to same sex experiences. It did with my gf. Apparently she didn’t find it as gratifying as she would have hoped, but she said she wanted to try it when she was younger so she did.
  1. Sexual gratification
As a man, I know body, my equipment and how I like to be touched. I’m pretty sure most guys like the same basic thing. With women, i’m sure this is true also. A woman pleasuring another woman probably uses some insider knowledge as to what is pleasurable to the female gender.
  1. Emotional gratification
From what i’ve been told, women can enjoy the act itself more than the physical aspects of fornication. A woman’s brain chemistry is different than a man’s and this can lead to differences in emotional responses that other women can relate to, and possibly prefer over a man. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_and_emotion (Neurobiological differences are the fun part here).

Most of this commentary is wrt fornication, but it can also apply to every day experiences and how those experiences are shared.
 
crazzeto said:
Having been very much wrapped up in popular culture today, I can answer this with some cirtitude:

Women are pushed very greatly to at the very least be bi-sexual (this is the popular preference) in this day and age. I say this “From the outside looking in” as a guy, I can’t even imagine how much more pressure there must be as a woman wrapped up in the culture. It’s always out there, it always starts as “humor in good fun”, and it always gets pushed to greater and greater levels. It’s very sad, horrifying actually. It’s yet another symptom of a sexually obsessed culture…

The same won’t be true of men, because there is sort of a more general acceptance of bi-sexuality and lesbianism among women. It’s considered “hot”, actually now by both men and women alike. The same isn’t true of homosexuality… It’s almost like there’s a disconnect between lesbianism and homosexuality in popular culture. People who “hate gays” are actually pretty likely to accept lesbianism and bi-sexuality among women as being at worst (on the part of the woman) “not for me, but acceptable or understandable”. Occationally you might have one that will openly say it disgusts them, but that’s almost considered a “buzz kill”…
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This is very true. First of all, LOTS of guys are turned on by lesbians. So, if it turns guys on, girls will do it. Lots of girls will make out with each other on a dare or something like that, then they start liking it, and maybe they will get further into it. Usually these women just go through this phase and then are straight again. The same can’t be said for guys. First of all, I don’t know any women that want to see 2 guys making out. Secondly, there is a different stigma…if you are a guy and you make out with another guy, you will likely be labeled gay. If you are a girl and make out with other girls, you are experimenting…guys can’t really experiment with homosexuality it seems without being labelled bisexual.

Anyway, as for the poster above worried about potential daughters…let me just tell you that Catholic schools can be just as bad or even worse than public schools. It all depends on the “cool crowd” that is running the social life of the school. Trust me when I say that too.
 
hellopeople said:
Anyway, as for the poster above worried about potential daughters…let me just tell you that Catholic schools can be just as bad or even worse than public schools. It all depends on the “cool crowd” that is running the social life of the school. Trust me when I say that too.
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Thanks, yeah I’m also well aquainted with the “catholic school girl” sterio type, thankfully I’m quite involved with my dioces and I’m learning about our local schools already.

The part about Lesbian/female-bi that always was curiose to me is the universality of the popularity. It’s stereo-typical that guys would be there chanting oooing and encouraging girls to go further and further. But it’s not just true of the guys, the same can be said of the girls. They’re right there with the guys shouting “allllriiight!!!” etc. Of course the further two girls are willing to go publically in aparty the better (at least to a point).
 
It’s considered chic in some circles to be lesbian.

—especially in circles where the girls/women are better educated and smarter than the boys. (Not men— boys;)). There are now more women in higher education at virtually all levels. Most veterinarians are women;half of medical students are now women.

It doesn’t last–the lesbianism, that is. There’s something called “Lug”–lesbian until graduation.

There is a small stable population of exclusive lesbians in the US–I don’t think that this % is changed recently. You have to take account the fact that people ‘came out of the closet’ only recently, and many are still in, because of social pressures. So the statistics will always be unreliable, but were particularly so until recently.
 
anode said:
It’s considered chic in some circles to be lesbian.

—especially in circles where the girls/women are better educated and smarter than the boys. (Not men— boys;)). There are now more women in higher education at virtually all levels. Most veterinarians are women;half of medical students are now women.

It doesn’t last–the lesbianism, that is. There’s something called “Lug”–lesbian until graduation.

There is a small stable population of exclusive lesbians in the US–I don’t think that this % is changed recently. You have to take account the fact that people ‘came out of the closet’ only recently, and many are still in, because of social pressures. So the statistics will always be unreliable, but were particularly so until recently.
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LUGs are the reason I liked the dorms so much…lol, it has been a while.
 
hellopeople said:
LUGs are the reason I liked the dorms so much…lol, it has been a while.
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You know, I understand where you are coming from. I’m an 18 year old guy myself, in college, so I know what it’s like.

Indeed, the primitive, natural part of me thinks, “Bisexual, attractive girls? Nice…”

Yet, the rational, reasonable part of me thinks, “This is not something to approve of. As a Christian, you are called to rise above your sexual urges and desires.”

I am conflicted, but I tend to think my rational side is in the right here.
 
I remember being a adolescent girl and having a best friend. I loved her…I wanted to be with her all the time, we had so much in common and we were comfortable with each other. We’d always hang out together with other girls. The thought NEVER crossed my mind to “be with her”. I did not date boys b/c I didn’t even know how…I was too YOUNG. Immature. not comfortable with all of it. I was not ready to date.

FAst forward to these days…I wonder if I would feel pressured to think I was a Lesbian? I was just being a kid. (which I never was…sting and bono were ALL over my walls) Our children are visually seeing things that we never even thought of as kids. These shocking things are now the norm…this one and that one coming out of the closet…(hello Lindsey Lohan and company).

God help me say the right things to my kids so they rise above this deviant non-sense.
 
Santi2 said:
There is something missing in the article though. It did not refer to feminism…which perhaps also plays a fundamental influence on some young women.
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A hard core feminist once said to me “Feminism the theory, lesbianism the practice”.

I’m a feminist, and it bothers me that what’s supposed to be a movement about equality and the respect of life has been twisted into… well… this.

Although, I think a lot of what teens do today is what is based on what is classed as “trendy”. Being bi, or gay is seen as a sort of rebellion against the “old” ways. 30 years ago it was a boy getting an ear pierced, now its your daughter bringing home her “girlfriend”.
 
Southparkmom said:
I remember being a adolescent girl and having a best friend. I loved her…I wanted to be with her all the time, we had so much in common and we were comfortable with each other. We’d always hang out together with other girls. The thought NEVER crossed my mind to “be with her”. I did not date boys b/c I didn’t even know how…I was too YOUNG. Immature. not comfortable with all of it. I was not ready to date.

FAst forward to these days…I wonder if I would feel pressured to think I was a Lesbian? I was just being a kid. (which I never was…sting and bono were ALL over my walls) Our children are visually seeing things that we never even thought of as kids. These shocking things are now the norm…this one and that one coming out of the closet…(hello Lindsey Lohan and company).

God help me say the right things to my kids so they rise above this deviant non-sense.
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Now imagine if you could rewind your life back to your childhood where you have the same good friend, except this time you have been taught all along in school and by the unelected mainstream media that it is equal. Do you experiment? Do you one day find yourself in a non-life affirming lifestyle with no warning?
 
Our society has slowly begun to worship the false god of pop culture media without realizing it. Few want to admit it that they are enamored by entertainment to the point of breaking the first commandment. The problem is only going to get worse due to our higher exposure to portable media unless we spread the word and reduce exposure to it. Marketing and advertising execs know that the more times people hear a message, the more likely they are to buy it. Our society is being weakened into acting on it’s basic instincts for promiscuous sex, drugs, etc. Weak sheeple are easier to control.
 
This whole discussion raises some interesting questions. Are these young women then, for the most part, CHOOSING homosexual behavior?? But. . . I thought. … . they were always just “born that way”!!! :rolleyes:

By the way, the jury has never come in scientifically as to whether homosexual tendency is inherent or not, contrary to what the politically correct society likes to say. There is so far, no “gay gene”. I for one don’t think there ever will be. So shoot me. 🤷
 
ManOnFire said:
Now imagine if you could rewind your life back to your childhood where you have the same good friend, except this time you have been taught all along in school and by the unelected mainstream media that it is equal. Do you experiment? Do you one day find yourself in a non-life affirming lifestyle with no warning?
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I DON’T KNOW! Looking back now honestly…I hope not…I was a follower at times, and seeked approval, so if she made the first move, who knows! All of the major influences in our children’s lives never make a stand against it…If they did, they would be deemed prejudice.
They jump on the band wagon for whole prom thing.
 
You know, I honestly don’t know why it is but I wonder if maybe it has to do with the use of contraceptives. I mean, by taking a contraceptive, you are ingesting artificial hormones into your body. This is bound to have some kind of effect on you other than the prevention of pregnancy.

I occasionally suffer from same-sex attraction myself. Thankfully, this attraction is only minuscule and it does not bother me a great deal. Usually when these temptations occur, I simply either ignore them or pray for them to end.
 
Is same sex attraction me thinking Jessica Simpson is absolutely beautiful? Really, I think she is totally underestimated.

I think you hit on something…are kids confusing an aesthetic beauty thing for sexual attraction???

I find women so much more attractive than men. Does that make any sense???
 
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