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Thank you. That was interesting, but more than a bit frightening.
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staffsgt7
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It explains the complete acceptance of the violence in Islam and why we hear nothing from them when the Jihadists they support with their zakat do such atrocious things. I have yet to hear many Muslims condemn any Muslim for using children as suicide bombers, as they do in the Gaza and Pakistan now. I am sure they do it elsewhere too.
Suicide bomber is our word we made up because we didn’t understand Islam and their word is martyr. Still they are ok with children blowing themselves up for Allah and his cause. What we usually hear is after the fact are the swelling of their voices claiming they are the victims. It isn’t even the case in the vast majority of the cases. What are the Muslims the victims of? How many mosques have Christians or Jews desecrated or destroyed? I just recently read that even some art in Italy was desecrated because they were statues of nudes. Wave bye bye to the art in Europe if that is the case just like we waved bye bye to the Buddhist statues. Many European Churches are art in themselves. We might want to wave bye bye to them too. Let us sit back and watch what happens over 10 years. Anyone want to bet that we hear about more art and Churches in Europe being desecrated?
This reminds me of the Church in Jerusalem where the Muslims went to the bathroom all over the place and smeared it around too. I do not recall one incident where anyone of any other religion, or non-religion, ever did that to a mosque. There should have been a boat load of Muslims volunteering to clean it up and I don’t recall if there were any who even blinked. This brings me to the name calling in the Koran. The calling of Jews and Christians apes and pigs. Talk about projection!
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jakasaki
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washingtontimes.com/news/2006/dec/03/20061203-100623-9818r/
I’ve provided the news article link above.
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jakasaki
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Browsing the Catholic Library, I came across this:
**Endless Jihad
The Truth about Islam and Violence**
catholic.com/library/endless_jihad.asp
Very interesting indeed! The article isn’t that long and it’s a good read.
**Endless Jihad
The Truth about Islam and Violence**
catholic.com/library/endless_jihad.asp
Very interesting indeed! The article isn’t that long and it’s a good read.
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sedonaman
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The term “suicide murderer” was floated about a few years ago. It didn’t last very long, too accurate a description for the thought police, I guess.
Here are a couple of thoughts I have posted before and repeat them here for the newer bloggers:
It would seem that what one can say about the other, the other can say something similar about the one. On a high enough level, though, we reach a point where this isn’t possible. Take for example, the Qur’an vs. the Bible. In response to the charge that the Qur’an is violent, we are told by Muslims [with the possible exception of planten] that it is divided into “early, peaceful” verses and “later violent” ones. For example:
Qur’an of Mecca 73:10: Listen to what they [unbelievers] say with patience, and leave them with dignity.
From tolerance we move to the ultimate intolerance, not even the Lord of the Universe can stand the unbelievers[1]:
*Qur’an of Medina 8:12: Then your Lord spoke to His angels and said, “I will be with you. Give strength to the believers. I will send terror into the unbelievers’ hearts, cut off their heads and even the tips of their fingers!” *
The Bible, too, can be divided similarly, Old Testament [early verses] and New Testament [newer verses]. The alleged violence in the Bible is almost exclusively in the OT [the only NT violence I can recall off-hand is Peter’s cutting off the servant’s ear, for which Christ rebuked him]; and, for the sake of discussion, let us grant to Muslim apologists that there is violence in the Bible. But look at the sequence in time of the Bible vs. the Qur’an:
Violent . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Peaceful
OT [violent, e.g., an eye for an eye, etc.] . . . – – – > . . . NT [e.g., love your enemies, etc.]Qur’an of Medina [slay the unbelievers, etc.] . . . < – – – . . . Qur’an of Mecca [leave unbelievers with dignity]
– – – time – – – >
The sequence of the Qur’an was purposefully shown in reverse chronological order to make the point that Islam is a retrograde teaching [in the broad sense of the word “teaching”] that justifies and rewards a man for reverting to his feral nature, as opposed to the Bible which encourages man to aspire to a higher level.
Then consider the way women are subdued under Islamic law. I am convinced that this is to negate the woman’s civilizing influence on the man.
Note [1] Warner, “The Study of Political Islam”
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staffsgt7
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Thanks for reposting this.
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sedonaman
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It kinda says it all. I had read it last Jan. and kept a copy, but alas completely forgot about it.
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jakasaki
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Glad to be of service!
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staffsgt7
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I got this in my inbox today. Frontpagemag was discussing the fact that the Islamic Organizations in America (I posted a chart of them earlier on this thread that shows they are tied to the Muslim Brotherhood and the MSA is part of them) all are deceiving the public and all are using the media to achieve their end goal which is to wage their endless Jihad in our lands. Most of us realize that deception is one of their primary strategies.
This article talks about,
This article talks about,
There are other articles of students (yep, that ole MSA up to its antics) trying to shut down free speech on campuses. Frontpagemag as some articles on that too.
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yankee_doodle
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OK … so what in your opinion should we do about this perceived (whether validly or not) threat of Islam?
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staffsgt7
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Here is an article about an open declaration of war against the Brits. What we have seen is the usual advance of peaceful Muslims that have grown and now have declared war. Or if you put it in the way that the Muslims put it, they are opening up the Brits to Islam and as the speaker puts it ‘if you embrace Islam’ everything will be ok, and if you do not then they will offer Sharia laws, or subjugation under Islam. And if you do not accept either then there will be the holy warriors fighting for Allah’s cause and basically you will die.
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JRPO
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This comes from a male perspective -
In short the answer is - Women.
In western society violent men are mostly single men. in western society Men who have partners and are violent have a very bad attitude toward women.
Hence the way Muslims degrade their women I think has a lot to do with why they are violent.
In short the answer is - Women.
In western society violent men are mostly single men. in western society Men who have partners and are violent have a very bad attitude toward women.
Hence the way Muslims degrade their women I think has a lot to do with why they are violent.
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staffsgt7
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I can tell you what I have done and it is for everyone else to do what they can if they decide to do something.
I signed up to be a member for Act! for America and when my group leader wasn’t doing enough, I became a group leader. I also joined the SIOA group as a member only. I hope they will be more active and do more other than just write articles. Their articles are very informative though. So far they made their opening day on the same day the prayer day at DC happened with the Muslims. Act! caught a Muslim handing out Jihadist literature and it talked about the terrorist who has started the compounds around the USA, Sheik Gilani. The same guy that Daniel Perl was going to interview when they captured him and beheaded him. Those compounds have suspicious activity going on in them and they need to be stopped just like the MSA needs the boot.
There will be a free webcast conference to take place on Saturday, November 7, 2009, from 10:00 A.M. to 5:00 P.M., Eastern Time, with an hour break for lunch. Us Act members contacted our local politicians about it and asked them to view it. Here is the logon link.
We show videos educating the public, write our politicians and others, join in on the Stop Sharia Now campaign, grow the group so the members can sign up for different projects, donate to Act to support the lobbyist and campaigns such as the Stop Sharia now campaign, etc. I give speeches to other groups that ask me to speak about Act!.
I have made up several different fliers depending on the targets and try to educate them. I have one showing slavery still exists in Islam and is unlikely to change since Sharia laws are ok with it. I have one that shows what clerics say about gays and to kill them if they do not change. One flier covers the MSA and school indoctrination of our children. All of them also mention Sharia finance and gives a website to find out more information. And all have quotes showing that Islam is not a religion of peace, but one that wants us subjugated or dead if we do not convert. In fact my last post shows exactly that. The Brits have coddled and met the Islamic’s demands and in the end, it doesn’t change. Jihad, or holy war, against the unbelievers will still go on as Islam dictates. Yes, there are probably some that do not want this but they do nothing to stop it even though they might be the majority, or not. It is hard to tell when an ideology makes deception a holy thing.
I gobble up everything I can such as by going to a Conference that was given by Act! She and her staff were there and I got to meet the lobbyist as well. Meeting Brigitte Gabriel was a kick too. She has a story to tell about what the Muslims did to her country, Lebanon, and it sounds like what will happen to Britain if the Brits don’t wake up REAL fast. I went to a presentation by Walid Shoebat at a Jewish Community Center in a city near to me recently. He woke up quite a number of Jews that day. In fact, some are now in my group. He is a former Palestinian Muslim trained as a child to be a martyr. I went to a presentation by Daniel Pipes at Berkeley. These sorts of things are motivating and give one ideas on what to do. If you hear of any of these, or others speak that are former Muslims go and listen to them. Nonie Darwish gives presentations, and so do others. I would like to hear her speak if she gets somewhere close to where I live. I will travel to go to them if they are sort of close.
And I read a lot.
Anyway, it is up to each person to do what they can or want to do. Or do nothing and become like Europe and the UK with Sharia laws infiltrating their system and that bodes ill for unbelievers.
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staffsgt7
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hhmmm, this is an interesting take on things. Here is my take on your post, others might have different responses.
It is very apparent that Mohammed was a misogynist but to blame all the violence on women? Mohammed got any woman he wanted. He got slaves and some of them were children - boys and girls. He got his son’s wife and he got a child bride. His first wife of many years before he started Islam was a woman 15 years older than he was which is very telling (a mommy complex).
Muslims can marry children as young as 1 year old and just as long as they have the title of wife it isn’t a bad thing to do in Islam. Sharia laws don’t have anything against this sort of thing.
The violence is due to the making it a holy thing to do, violence is in Allah’s name, and it will get them to heaven. Mohammed would wage wars to get slaves and loot. He got 1/5th of everything and it made him a rich man.
You might be right that there are a lot of problems due to women in Islam. Nonie Darwish talks about how polygamy doesn’t do the family any good in her book. I think it is called Now They Call Me Infidel.
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staffsgt7
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Yankee Doodle, it just so happens that SIOA came out with an article this week about a book list that is helpful in understanding the Koran and Jihad. One of the authors is Walid Shoebat and he wrote ‘Why We Want to Kill You’.
I have read all of them except the last one, The Trojan Horse. The reasons for why they do not assimilate have been in other books I’ve read.
I have read all of them except the last one, The Trojan Horse. The reasons for why they do not assimilate have been in other books I’ve read.
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Hadi
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define: assimilate
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staffsgt7
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I assume that people are older than 18 years old, and even then I was able to look up words in a dictionary. Go look it up in the dictionary. Buy the book.
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Hadi
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of course I know the meaning of that word,I wanted to know how you want Muslims to assimilate.
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Jehoshua
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By assimilate he means integrating into the general society instead of forming ethnic enclaves and segregating themselves from the dominant local culture.
Muslim communites in the west have often fromed such enclaves which has caused issues with the wider community in regards to extremists recruiting in those communies, violence against non-muslims and many other issues besides.
Muslim communites in the west have often fromed such enclaves which has caused issues with the wider community in regards to extremists recruiting in those communies, violence against non-muslims and many other issues besides.
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planten
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There is no harm in having their own society (enclaves) but Muslims should never try to confront the local people on idle matters. There is no need to cause disturbance in the land. They can live happily without any criminal activity and may even join in the various national celebrations with the western people, such as their X-Mas or New Year celebrations.
If any Muslim forms any group for ill intentions or tries to make disturbance then he is not a real Muslim. He/she is ignorant and enemy of Islam. There is no doubt such people are to be found in every place. There are some-Muslims who believe that they are to kill the disbelievers. There are some who are trying to kill too. But that is not Islam.
The reason for the violence is in ignorance. Some Muslims are not only ready to kill the non-Muslims. They are ready to kill the Muslims too i.e. persons of other Islamic sects… That is inter-sect violence. Some muslims (They seem to be Wahhabi or Deobandi) are active in violence field. They are quite active against the Shias too.
The majority sect is Sunni, Hanafi.
Another big problem is that they have (By pressure) got some bad laws enacted in their countries. Those laws are against human rights and against the UN charter. Those laws are helping the Bigots in B/desh, pakistan and Indonesia to oppress the minorities and people of other faiths.
It is about time that the western people took notice of those anti-human right laws (bad laws which have no basis Islam) in the Muslim countries. If the west can pressurise the Muslim governments ( in some way ) to amend those inhuman laws, the violence will decrease. When the Muslims are violent in their own countries, they will try to export that violence to other parts of the world. Some body must stop them.
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