Why are so many Muslims violent?

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However in opposition to your statement the majority of muslims disagree with you, notably fatwas against the danish cartoon artist for drawing images of muhammad, the issues regarding the niqab in france (in the same area as banning motorbike helmets to prevent hiding of identity [look up the issue if you want details]) . These have drawn violent responses from the majority (or at least a substantial number) of the muslim community in europe in the effected areas, to the extent of widespread rioting.

Likewise creation of exclaves is a symptom of a widespread problem that is the inability or unwillingness of muslims to integrate, mix with, or conform to the local culture. This does not mean compromising islamic beliefs, but the fact that Islamic communities in europe continue to segregate themselves from the greater society is not only emblematic of the attitude of islam in general to christian societies, but also emblematic of an underlying mistrust or even hatred in some to the indigenous cultures.
 
Jehoshua said:
However in opposition to your statement the majority of muslims disagree with you, notably fatwas against the danish cartoon artist for drawing images of muhammad, the issues regarding the niqab in france (in the same area as banning motorbike helmets to prevent hiding of identity [look up the issue if you want details]) . These have drawn violent responses from the majority (or at least a substantial number) of the muslim community in europe in the effected areas, to the extent of widespread rioting.

Likewise creation of exclaves is a symptom of a widespread problem that is the inability or unwillingness of muslims to integrate, mix with, or conform to the local culture. This does not mean compromising islamic beliefs, but the fact that Islamic communities in europe continue to segregate themselves from the greater society is not only emblematic of the attitude of islam in general to christian societies, but also emblematic of an underlying mistrust or even hatred in some to the indigenous cultures.
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The unwillingness of the Muslims to integrate has to be explained. Presently, drinking and dancing and gambling is an important part of the western life. Free sex has also creeped in. The Muslims do not like such things.
Even though I have made one para bold, above. But I fully agree with above post.

So the best thing is for the Muslims to go along with the local people in good things which are not forbidden to them by their religion. There is no need to seclude entirely from the society and no need to have any adverse intentions about the society. That would be hypocracy which is forbidden in Islam. The Muslim should have clean heart. He should have no secrets. There is no need to have any under-hand (secret) activity.

There are many other people of different faiths (Catholics, Protestants, Hindus, baha’is, Mormons, JW’s, Jews) living in western countries. When those people can live happily in the society, why the Muslims should also not try to live peacefully !!
 
I dont know what peace means according to Islam, but I feel that the muslims have been given direct authority by allah that whoever says anything against allah, or mohammed should be killed, May be they believe that being muslims they are direct authority for these acts.

eg Danish cartoons, satanic verses, nike shoes advertisement etc

As for Christians, they believe that all such punishments are of God’s and hence He will punish them Himself. Maybe thats why Christians dont go on rampage.

Jesus Himself said that if anyone says anything about Himself or Father, will be forgiven but anyone who says anything about the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven.
 
You say that some members of the muslim comunity react in such a violent and reprehensible way due to the immorality that pervades certain segments of europes population (and that of other areas). However your explanation completely disregards the actions regarding percieved insults to Islam, which are also made against christianity, which in the muslim community manifests in a violent way. Comparative examples include the desecration of a bible in an art gallery in scotland which recieved complaint but no violent action, and the reaction to the danish cartoons of muhammad.

In regards to the immoral acts which from what ive heard from you cause the enclaves, you argue yourself that muslims should interact with the society according to islamic principles. However since this is not that case, and since similar responses are not evident to other religious minorities, such as Jews and Hindu’s the conclusion must be come to that something in Islam itself is the root cause of the problem. The inevitable conclusion is that the teachings regarding other religions are the root cause.
 
staffsgt7 said:
hhmmm, this is an interesting take on things. Here is my take on your post, others might have different responses.

It is very apparent that Mohammed was a misogynist but to blame all the violence on women? Mohammed got any woman he wanted. He got slaves and some of them were children - boys and girls. He got his son’s wife and he got a child bride. His first wife of many years before he started Islam was a woman 15 years older than he was which is very telling (a mommy complex).

Muslims can marry children as young as 1 year old and just as long as they have the title of wife it isn’t a bad thing to do in Islam. Sharia laws don’t have anything against this sort of thing.

The violence is due to the making it a holy thing to do, violence is in Allah’s name, and it will get them to heaven. Mohammed would wage wars to get slaves and loot. He got 1/5th of everything and it made him a rich man…

You might be right that there are a lot of problems due to women in Islam. Nonie Darwish talks about how polygamy doesn’t do the family any good in her book. I think it is called Now They Call Me Infidel.
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You can go on all you like about Mohammed Quran Allah Infidels , what ever you like to go on about!!!

May I Just quote Sedonaman from an earlier post-

Quote “Then consider the way women are subdued under Islamic law. I am convinced that this is to negate the woman’s civilizing influence on the man.” Unquote

That is it subject closed thats why Muslims are violent - simple as that .

So to Mike who first asked the Question why are Muslims violent, there it is.

The way they treat their women, that it, thats the answer
 
planten said:
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If any Muslim forms any group for ill intentions or tries to make disturbance then he is not a real Muslim. …
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This reminds me of liberal blacks who say a conservative black person is not a real black.
 
staffsgt7 said:
I got this in my inbox today. Frontpagemag was discussing the fact that the Islamic Organizations in America (I posted a chart of them earlier on this thread that shows they are tied to the Muslim Brotherhood and the MSA is part of them) all are deceiving the public and all are using the media to achieve their end goal which is to wage their endless Jihad in our lands. Most of us realize that deception is one of their primary strategies.
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Here’s an article about an Arabic-speaking American woman who deceived some jihadis:

“Muslim Jihad Comes To Small Town, USA”
July 25, 2005
By Laura Mansfield
freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1691391/posts

“If it’s in this tiny little quiet southern town, it’s probably in your hometown, too.”
 
staffsgt7 said:
Yankee Doodle, it just so happens that SIOA came out with an article this week about a book list that is helpful in understanding the Koran and Jihad. One of the authors is Walid Shoebat and he wrote ‘Why We Want to Kill You’.

I have read all of them except the last one, The Trojan Horse. The reasons for why they do not assimilate have been in other books I’ve read.
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what’s up??? Here’s a youtube video I’m sure you’ll like … check it out

youtube.com/watch?v=HhN6CG1zCRc&feature=related
 
Jehoshua said:
You say that some members of the muslim comunity react in such a violent and reprehensible way due to the immorality that pervades certain segments of europes population (and that of other areas). However your explanation completely disregards the actions regarding percieved insults to Islam, which are also made against christianity, which in the muslim community manifests in a violent way. Comparative examples include the desecration of a bible in an art gallery in scotland which recieved complaint but no violent action, and the reaction to the danish cartoons of muhammad.

In regards to the immoral acts which from what ive heard from you cause the enclaves, you argue yourself that muslims should interact with the society according to islamic principles. However since this is not that case, and since similar responses are not evident to other religious minorities, such as Jews and Hindu’s the conclusion must be come to that something in Islam itself is the root cause of the problem. The inevitable conclusion is that the teachings regarding other religions are the root cause.
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I don’t know how the Muslims can say they are more moral but they do. They label a child a wife and to them it is morally ok what they do with her. It is a mere label to make pediphilia ok. The crimes coming out of these enclaves is much higher so much so that the local police do not enter them. This is a big mistake and if it is that bad then they should be sending in the military. Once again, morality in the mind of the Muslim is much different than our definition. Just as their definition of peace is with us. And there are so many other words that are defined differently in Islam.

Polygamy, honor killings, pediphilia, clitorectomies are indeed ok in sharia laws. And these are very high in these enclaves. Funny how one of the most requested operations by Muslim women is the operation to make them appear as if they are virgins again. So much for that much talked about superior moral claim.

They are just using excuses when they say the West is immoral. Their goal is to take over the land and establish sharia laws.
 
I think it is a form of violence to come to a non-Muslim country and to force your contrary ways on our people…

The Far Left deliberately allowed people hostile to Christianity and people of wealth to enter our country for the intent of breaking down the moral fiber of our country. How important it is for Catholics to work in the area of the Sanctity of Human Life for all people.

It is Catholic teaching to help the immigrant, the foreigner…but it is also our right to protect our sovereignty.

Filing lawsuits to wear the burka with faces covered when we all must show our faces for security reasons.

Their total indifference to the damage done to our people, as well as the countless millions over the course of 1,400 years…as well as their indifference to our basic human rights if we lived in their countries…the Pakistan Catholics and other Christians are crying out for justice and protection and the protection of their basic human dignity as this very moment.

Today we have the internet and massive historical info, and most Americans are now knowledgeable…
 
If you want to see how moral Muslims are among their own, then mahomettube.com can show you. Look for video Todays-Word-is-Purdah, The pigs of Arabia, and there are more. It is just disgusting. In one of these there are children watching these adults carry on in a most disgusting manner. I am not going to post the exact link because they are not very nice, but realities in Islam.

this video I will give the link to since it talks about legitimized pediphilia in Islam. there are dirty words, but it is coming from the muslim and the person giving the interview asks him to stop it. It talks about the baby having the label of wife so therefore the pediphilia is ok in Islam.

When a Muslim, or Muslims, start telling us how morally superior they are you will realize their definition for the word moral is very much different than our word.

This one is on the Evils of the Koran and it is in youtube. It only shows surahs from the Koran.
 
Another day, some more proof that Islam is not peaceful.

NOTE: Lest some people say that these demonstrators are only a tiny fringe, we need to ask where the rest of the British Moslem community is on this question. Why don’t the British Moslem organizations and imams denounce these Moslem extremists?? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Wilders greeted in UK with signs saying “Shariah is the solution, freedom go to hell” and “Geert Wilders deserves Islamic punishment”
Welcome to Cool Britannia! “Protesters meet Dutch far-right MP,” from the Press Association, October 16 (thanks to Tziona):

Around 40 Muslim demonstrators gathered near the Houses of Parliament as Geert Wilders arrived in central London.

Brandishing banners saying “Shariah is the solution, freedom go to hell” and “Geert Wilders deserves Islamic punishment”, the protesters were held back by police…

Addressing journalists alongside UKIP peer Lord Pearson, Mr Wilders said his visit was “a victory”.

Explaining his controversial views on Islam, he said: “I have a problem with the Islamic ideology, the Islamic culture, because I feel that the more Islam that we get in our societies the less freedom that we get.”

Well, “Freedom Go to Hell” would indeed seem to suggest that.

Posted by Robert on October 16, 2009 6:59 AM |
 
staffsgt7 you are an interesting “atheist”,where do your needs to comment all islamic threads on a catholic forum come from?
 
From what I’ve seen, to tell us all how there are no Catholics in Bosnia, even though we have Bosnian Catholics on this website… 😃
 
dzheremi said:
From what I’ve seen, to tell us all how there are no Catholics in Bosnia, even though we have Bosnian Catholics on this website… 😃
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where did i say that? there are no bosnian catholics but there are catholics in Bosnia,t,hey are Croatians,they hate to be called bosnians,which many muslims do just to make them angry 😃
 
staffsgt7 said:
Why do you come to a Catholic website?
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it started to post an interesting video about 2 nuns who converted to islam,what about you?:confused: to discuss islam? there are many islamis forums,i think you are a fake atheist 😉
 
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