Why are so many Muslims violent?

[staffsgt7]

Knowing Arabic doesn’t help the Koran out at all.

The translations actually tone it down.

In Arabic the passages that say to beat the woman doesn’t qualify it with ‘lightly’ as do the translations.

I don’t see an advantage to knowing Arabic. If I were younger I might learn it and volunteer to help out the FBI and CIA if they would have taken me.

 

[dzheremi]

I dunno, Sargent…it is a pretty interesting language, and a window on the Arabic-speaking world. It seems like it might help in your efforts to refute the “that’s just a bad translation” pseudo-apologetics that some Muslims take as a legitimate defense.

I figure I took just enough (one year) to be able to read the Qur’an (since it is fully voweled), but I won’t understand the majority of what I’m reading. This places me on roughly equal footing with the majority of the world’s Muslims. I wonder how often these non-Arab majorities of the Islamic world have to hear about how inferior their translations are like we do if we read/quote/analyze the Qur’an in English? I’ve worked in translation, and it’s not a magic wand that suddenly makes something horrific into something warm and cuddly. I guess they just learn to live with it as anyone would.

It has always struck me as funny how the Islamic propagators in the world (Saudi, Iran, etc.) cannot seem to translate the Qur’an fast enough into other languages so as to “invite” us all to Islam, and yet when push comes to shove we hear “translations are not sufficient” or some variant thereof. So…why all the money, time, and effort, then?

 

[yankee_doodle]

If the only reason why you don’t want Islam in the USA, then that tells me a lot about you. The prejudice is coming from you, not from people who are aware of Islam. Those people, me included, are less likely to hate the people who are Muslims, or people who are of other religions. Learn how to separate the ideology from the people. then maybe you won’t be so sheepish and follow in lockstep what the liberal left and Muslims preach at you without finding out the truth for yourself.

I don’t hate anyone. But I certainly don’t want a bunch of desert nomads in my country peddling a primitive religion, whose prophet was essentially a pedophile (didn’t the guy marry a six year old child … I mean what kind of twisted bastard does that?). If France doesn’t mind then fine … but that’s their freagin problem.

Also, I’m not sure how I get pegged in with the liberal left all the time just because I’m an atheist. That in itself is a “sheepish” association.

The only reason why I quibble with Christians is because they’re my culture and my people (I really don’t care what Arab camel herders do half way across the world). And even though I disagree with the Christian religion, my brother, sister, mother, aunts, uncles, cousins, nieces and nephews … are all Christians (at least technically). If it’s a choice between my people or any other people, sign me up up to kill, blow up, burn, or do whatever to any little savage people on earth that threatens us. I’m a firm believer if a bunch of desert nomads blow up your buildings and kill thousands of your people, you hunt them down and slaughter them like dogs, without a drop of reservation.

Pacifists make me sick. I think people like Quakers (and left wing radicals) are flakes (not to mention virtually ****ing worthless). I love the western culture MY ancestors built. I think Christianity can be problematic if its not constantly checked by secular rationalist thinkers, but nevertheless I have to put up with it (what are my choices). I do think Muslims have the capacity for change. I also acknowledge Christianity has been nearly as crazy as Islam. But stupid or not they’re my people & this is my country.

So make no mistake … I find no redeeming value in the Islamic religion; and when the chips are down, my hat is in the ring with this country100%, regardless of its stupid religious preferences (and religion really is just about the dumbest thing on earth).

Now … do you still think I’m a ****ing liberal? My families roots in this country go back to the 16th century. Do you really think I’m interested in a bunch of immature left wing idiots or religious zealots screwing up what MY people built?

 

[staffsgt7]

I don’t hate anyone. But I certainly don’t want a bunch of desert nomads in my country peddling a primitive religion, whose prophet was essentially a pedophile (didn’t the guy marry a six year old child … I mean what kind of twisted bastard does that?). If France doesn’t mind then fine … but that’s their freagin problem.

Also, I’m not sure how I get pegged in with the liberal left all the time just because I’m an atheist. That in itself is a “sheepish” association.

The only reason why I quibble with Christians is because they’re my culture and my people (I really don’t care what Arab camel herders do half way across the world). And even though I disagree with the Christian religion, my brother, sister, mother, aunts, uncles, cousins, nieces and nephews … are all Christians (at least technically). If it’s a choice between my people or any other people, sign me up up to kill, blow up, burn, or do whatever to any little savage people on earth that threatens us. I’m a firm believer if a bunch of desert nomads blow up your buildings and kill thousands of your people, you hunt them down and slaughter them like dogs, without a drop of reservation.

Pacifists make me sick. I think people like Quakers (and left wing radicals) are flakes (not to mention virtually ****ing worthless). I love the western culture MY ancestors built. I think Christianity can be problematic if its not constantly checked by secular rationalist thinkers, but nevertheless I have to put up with it (what are my choices). I do think Muslims have the capacity for change. I also acknowledge Christianity has been nearly as crazy as Islam. But stupid or not they’re my people & this is my country.

So make no mistake … I find no redeeming value in the Islamic religion; and when the chips are down, my hat is in the ring with this country100%, regardless of its stupid religious preferences (and religion really is just about the dumbest thing on earth).

Now … do you still think I’m a ****ing liberal? My families roots in this country go back to the 16th century. Do you really think I’m interested in a bunch of immature left wing idiots or religious zealots screwing up what MY people built?

Please reread your first paragraph. If I wrote that about blacks, or Chinese, or anyone else - you and others would be jumping on me like they should. And Islam is not made up of only ‘a bunch of desert nomads…etc’. They are made up of Asians, Europeans, Africans, Americans with many backgrounds, etc. It is the ideology that is the problem.

I am not one of those that espouse multiculturalism either, but seriously your post is narrow in who you consider Muslim.

Actually, my family roots go back to that time period too on my mother’s side. My father’s side, both his parents migrated from Europe. That doesn’t really matter in what we are discussing though.

Islam has violent teachings and Judaism and Christianity do not espouse the violence against others.

I just got finished listening to this interview with Walid Shoebat with Gerry Ryan, Ireland’s highest rated radio show. there is no better source about Islam than from former Muslims. It is a good interview, I recommend it.

 

[yankee_doodle]

Please reread your first paragraph. If I wrote that about blacks, or Chinese, or anyone else - you and others would be jumping on me like they should. And Islam is not made up of only ‘a bunch of desert nomads…etc’. They are made up of Asians, Europeans, Africans, Americans with many backgrounds, etc. It is the ideology that is the problem.

I am not one of those that espouse multiculturalism either, but seriously your post is narrow in who you consider Muslim.

It doesn’t matter, it’s a religion invented by desert nomads. Just because idiots in this country flake out and turn to a desert religion, like that idiot dude (what’s his name, who we caught in Afghanistan in the beginning of this whole mess) … you know the type, guilty because he’s white and his parents have a little bit of money and worked their butts off to give his stupid *** a shot in life … it doesn’t Americanize the religion. It’s the religion of an illiterate camel herder.

These are facts, they’re not bigoted statements. And if facts are politically incorrect then to hell with the thought police.

Actually, my family roots go back to that time period too on my mother’s side. My father’s side, both his parents migrated from Europe. That doesn’t really matter in what we are discussing though.

good … then you shouldn’t want a religion of nomads screwing up the culture our ancestors worked their tails off (and gave their lives) to build. There is a such thing as cultural superiority … and western culture is the best.

Islam has violent teachings and Judaism and Christianity do not espouse the violence against others.

Judaism and Christianity do have some violent teachings, but yeah Islam I’m sure has many more (is that what you’re looking for me to say). The fact is the Catholic Church burned people at the stake (imagine being burnt alive), thousands of priests have raped little boys, inquisitions, witch hunts, etc. The Jews used to stone homosexuals and adulterers to death. We all used to have arranged marriages where women were treated like chattel.

Face it … no religion has clean hands in this regard. However, I agree with you, Christianity is preferable to Islam (as far as ancient fairy tales go), but only because it’s been checked by our secular culture.

I just got finished listening to this interview with Walid Shoebat with Gerry Ryan, Ireland’s highest rated radio show. there is no better source about Islam than from former Muslims. It is a good interview, I recommend it.

what would this convince me of? After all my posts why would you even think I need to be convinced that Islam is an absurd religion.

I’m just saying … to paraphrase Jesus, other religions should take the log out of their eye before they besmirch other religions.

 

[staffsgt7]

It doesn’t matter, it’s a religion invented by desert nomads. Just because idiots in this country flake out and turn to a desert religion, like that idiot dude (what’s his name, who we caught in Afghanistan in the beginning of this whole mess) … you know the type, guilty because he’s white and his parents have a little bit of money and worked their butts off to give his stupid *** a shot in life … it doesn’t Americanize the religion. It’s the religion of an illiterate camel herder.

These are facts, they’re not bigoted statements. And if facts are politically incorrect then to hell with the thought police.

good … then you shouldn’t want a religion of nomads screwing up the culture our ancestors worked their tails off (and gave their lives) to build. There is a such thing as cultural superiority … and western culture is the best.

Judaism and Christianity do have some violent teachings, but yeah Islam I’m sure has many more (is that what you’re looking for me to say). The fact is the Catholic Church burned people at the stake (imagine being burnt alive), thousands of priests have raped little boys, inquisitions, witch hunts, etc. The Jews used to stone homosexuals and adulterers to death. We all used to have arranged marriages where women were treated like chattel.

Face it … no religion has clean hands in this regard. However, I agree with you, Christianity is preferable to Islam (as far as ancient fairy tales go), but only because it’s been checked by our secular culture.

what would this convince me of? After all my posts why would you even think I need to be convinced that Islam is an absurd religion.

I’m just saying … to paraphrase Jesus, other religions should take the log out of their eye before they besmirch other religions.

No group that involve men and women have clean hands and that includes atheists. So stop your bashing, it is getting real tiring.

Did I say to listen to it to convince you of anything? I guess learning is not one of your goals in life. Which means that understanding things will not be one of your goals in life either. And believe me, it shows in your posts the lacks that I mention. Don’t worry no one will come through your computer screen and make you do anything. No one will make you read, listen or view anything that you don’t want. I do post it for others if they chose to listen, read or view things.

 

[yankee_doodle]

No group that involve men and women have clean hands and that includes atheists. So stop your bashing, it is getting real tiring.

Did I say to listen to it to convince you of anything? I guess learning is not one of your goals in life. Which means that understanding things will not be one of your goals in life either. And believe me, it shows in your posts the lacks that I mention. Don’t worry no one will come through your computer screen and make you do anything. No one will make you read, listen or view anything that you don’t want. I do post it for others if they chose to listen, read or view things.

dude you start out hammering Muslims, now you wanna be Mr. Nice guy :flowers:

Have you hugged a Muslim today? I gonna go run out and find one (I guess it better not be a woman, since her father or brother will no doubt try and hunt me down, and then run her over with their SUV) :knight2:

Oh btw, atheists aren’t a group. We have no pope, no Pat Robertson, no Mullah or Shah, and no Dali Lama.

I’m a male professional, graduate degree, enjoys skiing, martial arts, exercise, watching sports (especially baseball and football), dating sophisticated cosmopolitan women, I love restaurants, Broadway, theme bars, physics, astronomy, and biology, I also really enjoy Manhattan in the winter, upstate and New England in the fall, I like rock music, classical, jazz, and even occasionally country, and oh yeah … I also happen to be an atheist.

 

[staffsgt7]

dude you start out hammering Muslims, now you wanna be Mr. Nice guy :flowers:

Have you hugged a Muslim today? I gonna go run out and find one (I guess it better not be a woman, since her father or brother will no doubt try and hunt me down, and then run her over with their SUV) :knight2:

Oh btw, atheists aren’t a group. We have no pope, no Pat Robertson, no Mullah or Shah, and no Dali Lama.

I’m a male professional, graduate degree, enjoys skiing, martial arts, exercise, watching sports (especially baseball and football), dating sophisticated cosmopolitan women, I love restaurants, Broadway, theme bars, physics, astronomy, and biology, I also really enjoy Manhattan in the winter, upstate and New England in the fall, I like rock music, classical, jazz, and even occasionally country, and oh yeah … I also happen to be an atheist.

I said in previous posts to ‘separate the ideology from the people’.

And good for you on the rest of it.

 

[josie_L]

I said in previous posts to ‘separate the ideology from the people’.

And good for you on the rest of it.

I like you you’re refreshingly different from the other atheists I’ve encountered. Peace be with you.

 

[frantony]

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For me to really study this, I could take the time to look at the passages, and do some research to understand how Muslim theologians interpret them within the context they appear in (but honestly I just don’t have that sort of time). So what I find useful is to look at my personal interactions, anecdotal as personal experiences may be, and draw my own conclusions.

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*** salam Alai Khum. (Wish you Peace and Prosperity)
Follow the Prophet Mohammed (PBUH)(Peace Be up on Him).
Only Prophet Mohammed’s teachings can bring PEACE into this world.
The Indians (Hindus) and Israelis (Jews) are out to kill every Muslim.
This crime must have surely been done by the Jews and Hindus dressed up as Muslims.:bighanky:

 

[frantony]

Some atheists are blaming Islam that its teachings are violent. That is not true. Islam does not command to fight any non-combatant disbeliever. A Kafir is a combatant disbeliever. He niether believes in Islam nor he allows any believer to live in peace. Nobody can show any verse of the Quran without the word “Kafir” where it is told to fight back. Kafir is an enemy of all religions, islam, Christianity and Judaism.

So while reading Quran, please take note of the word Kafir as the enemy of Islam. There have been many Kafir in old times too, i.e. in time of Moses a.s. Pharoah and his hosts were Kafir. That is written in the Quran.

At the time of Jesus, his opponent Jews were Kafir who tried to kill Jesus.

About violence, the Muslims today are much misguided. They believe that they have to fight every one who does not believe in Muhammad. That is absolutely wrong. That is not islam. But I see many christians are helping (aiding) those fanatic Muslims by stressing as if it was the real teaching of Islam.

The Quran (02:62) says that any one could be a believer in Muhammad (Momin) or he could be a Jew or a christian or of any other faith, as long as they believe in (their) God and do good deeds, they have nothing to fear about the past or the future…

The Quran also tells the Muslims that Allah does not forbid them to live peacefully with those who do not fight with them…

The Quran also teaches that there is no compulsion in religion (02:256), any one may believe or not believe in Muhammad… There is no harm…

So the violence being perpetuated is due to some other cause. Not due to real teachings of Islam. If the violent Muslims faced any serious debate with learned persons, they would fail miserably. But the problem is the hard heartedness of the present day Mullas. They are not peaceful at all. (They are the laughing stock of the world.) Thereby they have caused much unrest in the world and they have brought very bad name to Islam. Please do not think that they are acting as the custodians of Islam.

My dear Planten,

You are just repeating what you and many Muslim people have said before in this thread.
There are bad people and good people. There are bad Christians and good Christians.
But, if one follows Christ’s teachings, he will not be able to kill or hurt anybody, because Jesus taught to show your other cheek if you are hit on one; while Mohammed has taught many times to kill the enemy. Please look into earlier postings for quotes from Koran. Mohammed had even gone to war.
So don’t compare Jesus with Mohammed. It is like comparing day with night or light with darkness.
You will never be able to quote Jesus asking anybody to kill or hurt another or chop off anybody’s head or limb. On the other hand, he had saved many people from death, and from getting stoned to death. But Mohammed has taught his followers to chop off head and limbs and stone people to death to punish people who have sinned.
How can you follow Mohammed’s teachings without committing violence?
And let this also sink into your brains. Old Testament is not Christianity. Old Testament is the story of the unjust and sinful conditions that happened and existed before Jesus, which would have resulted in Satan succeeding in destroying mankind, if Jesus had not come into this world, and sacrificed His Life for saving mankind.
Those who Live By The Sword, Die By The Sword
When Judas had betrayed Jesus and a crowd came up to arrest Him, the Apostle Peter drew a sword and attacked one of the guards. Mt 26:52 records, "Jesus said to him, 'Put your sword back in its place, for all those who take up the sword perish by the sword."
What would Mohammed have done in Jesus’s place?
Please go to the site below, to see the result of following Mohammed’s teaching instead of Jesus
msnbc.msn.com/id/33505186/ns/news-picture_stories/displaymode/1247/?beginSlide=1

If you cannot understand what I am saying, you are only acting dumb. You cannot wake up a person who is acting as though he is sleeping.

 

[frantony]

**Judaism and Christianity do have some violent teachings, but yeah Islam I’m sure has many more (is that what you’re looking for me to say). The fact is the Catholic Church burned people at the stake (imagine being burnt alive), thousands of priests have raped little boys, inquisitions, witch hunts, etc. The Jews used to stone homosexuals and adulterers to death. We all used to have arranged marriages where women were treated like chattel.

I’m just saying … to paraphrase Jesus, other religions should take the log out of their eye before they besmirch other religions.**

I am not a Christian. But one must be either stupid or a liar or both, to write the above.
Christianity is not what any Peter or Paul, or Joe or a pope, or what a parish priest does or did or will do or or does not do.
Christianity is what Jesus Christ taught, and asked His disciples to follow. I challenge you to quote one teaching of Jesus Christ in which he asks his followers to kill or chop off other’s limbs, or stone somebody to death.
When Judas had betrayed Jesus and a crowd came up to arrest Him, the Apostle Peter drew a sword and attacked one of the guards. Mt 26:52 records, "Jesus said to him, 'Put your sword back in its place, for all those who take up the sword perish by the sword.
What would Mohammed have done in Jesus’s place? I can show many places where Mohammed exhorts or advises his followers into violence.
You can find a lot of violence in the Old Testament, but then Old Testament is not Christianity. Old Testament is the story of the unjust and sinful conditions that happened and existed before Jesus, which if it continued, would have resulted in Satan succeeding in destroying mankind, if Jesus had not come into this world, and sacrificed His Life for saving mankind from becoming a dodo.
Please visit the following site to see Mohammed’s "PEACE"in action.
msnbc.msn.com/id/33505186/ns/news-picture_stories/displaymode/1247/?beginSlide=1

 

[planten]

From Frantony:
My dear Planten,

You are just repeating what you and many Muslim people have said before in this thread.
There are bad people and good people. There are bad Christians and good Christians.
But, if one follows Christ’s teachings, he will not be able to kill or hurt anybody, because Jesus taught to show your other cheek if you are hit on one; while Mohammed has taught many times to kill the enemy. Please look into earlier postings for quotes from Koran. Mohammed had even gone to war.
So don’t compare Jesus with Mohammed. It is like comparing day with night or light with darkness.
You will never be able to quote Jesus asking anybody to kill or hurt another or chop off anybody’s head or limb. On the other hand, he had saved many people from death, and from getting stoned to death.

I agree with what you have written above. Seems to be right. You have described your side of christianity in a good way.

 

[yankee_doodle]

**Judaism and Christianity do have some violent teachings, but yeah Islam I’m sure has many more (is that what you’re looking for me to say). The fact is the Catholic Church burned people at the stake (imagine being burnt alive), thousands of priests have raped little boys, inquisitions, witch hunts, etc. The Jews used to stone homosexuals and adulterers to death. We all used to have arranged marriages where women were treated like chattel.

I’m just saying … to paraphrase Jesus, other religions should take the log out of their eye before they besmirch other religions.**

I am not a Christian. But one must be either stupid or a liar or both, to write the above.
Christianity is not what any Peter or Paul, or Joe or a pope, or what a parish priest does or did or will do or or does not do.

you’re not a Christian but list your religion as Catholic (and you apparently like Jesus)? OK

Christianity is what Jesus Christ taught, and asked His disciples to follow.

Christianity is a collection of ancient myths. Maybe a guy named Jesus preached some of the stuff in your bible, but who knows?

I challenge you to quote one teaching of Jesus Christ in which he asks his followers to kill or chop off other’s limbs, or stone somebody to death.

part of the new testament is an antisemitic rant – but no to my knowledge Jesus never taught violence (if he taught anything at all). If you ask me Jesus was a pacifist (and I don’t mean that in a good way).

When Judas had betrayed Jesus and a crowd came up to arrest Him, the Apostle Peter drew a sword and attacked one of the guards. Mt 26:52 records, "Jesus said to him, 'Put your sword back in its place, for all those who take up the sword perish by the sword.

yes, and when the curly spaghetti monster jumped off my plate, it gave off special powers, and I was born again

What would Mohammed have done in Jesus’s place? I can show many places where Mohammed exhorts or advises his followers into violence.

you’re right … if the Jesus story has a shred of truth, there’s no comparing a vitriolic man like Muhammad to Jesus (although if Jesus did exist and if he really ran around Roman Palestine proclaiming himself a god, it’s likely he was a pretty disturbed guy).

You can find a lot of violence in the Old Testament, but then Old Testament is not Christianity. Old Testament is the story of the unjust and sinful conditions that happened and existed before Jesus, which if it continued, would have resulted in Satan succeeding in destroying mankind, if Jesus had not come into this world, and sacrificed His Life for saving mankind from becoming a dodo.
Please visit the following site to see Mohammed’s "PEACE"in action.
msnbc.msn.com/id/33505186/ns/news-picture_stories/displaymode/1247/?beginSlide=1

it’s all ancient mythology. You die and decompose (sorry).

 

[planten]

The present day violence of the Muslims can be traced back to the wrong notion of Jihad with weapons. Jihad had been taught seriously by a few so-called Muslim scholars. They forgot that Jihad was meant to purify the soul, i.e. to suppress the desires of the lower self and be a better man.

The Jihad was to be done with love not with weapons. Those so-called scholars gained cheap popularity. While they themselves did never took part in any of their own invented Jihad and they never sent their own children into the battlefield, they misguided the poor muslims and incited the poor muslims to go ahead and fight the non-Muslims. That was all wrong.

Take the present condition of any Muslim country. Are they Muslims?. Definitely NO. They have no morale. Nobody can speak out the truth in any Muslim country. The courts do not deliver justice. There is no real democratic setup. I feel that Islam (Peace) is now in the western countries. There is liberty in those countries.

There is no use any Muslim blaming the UK or USA as non-Muslim country. Every good principle is to be found in India, Israel, South Afrika and Europe and USA. Why the so-called Muslim countries are blind to the good things being done in nearby countries?? There is no respect and consultation (Mushawarat) system in Muslim countries. There is no inter-sect tolerance amongst muslim sects.

Muslims cannot be violent, should never be violent. If any one is violent, killing innocent people indiscriminately, he/she cannot be any Muslim.

Some so-called scholars took over the charge of the poor Muslims in India/ Pakistan / Egypt / Sudan and misled them into foolish ideas. The present condition in Muslim countries is like the life in Makkah in the time of Muhammad. There are Muslims having mosques and they are praying in very large numbers. But it is all useless, void of any love and beauty. The sooner the Muslims will get rid of their false ideas, the better it will be for them.

Otherwise they are doomed, due to their own bad deeds. They have to forget about their version of Islam and learn some human rights, human vaues. They should forget about other religions. They have to forget all teachings of hatred. They have to come to the principle of “Love for All Hatred for none.” There is no harm if they suffer. They should face the difficulty.

The best they can do is to flush out the black sheep from their ranks who are inciting the Muslims for Jihad against other nations / religions.

When Japan lost the war ( 1945, WWII), the Japanese King Hirohito addressed the Japanese nation " We have lost the war. Now bear the inevitable…" So the Japanese people obeyed their king and progressed.

 

[Jehoshua]

And the numerous exhortations in the Quran to slay the infidel are definitely not muslim at all. Right…

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Your argument is a selective and innacurate and ignores pieces of islamic scripture that exhort others to kill non-muslims.

Likewise it ignores history where in almost all cases, the areas where Islam is now dominant were conquered by islam, which is a historical precedent which would put overwhelming doubt onto your view. If Islam is such a peaceful religion, Why did it not convert others by the example of its practitioners virtue rather then forcibly converting by the sword and by opressing the minority religious groups making them convert to avoid the persecution.

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By the way Japan has and had an Emperor not a King. And they believed he was a arahitokami, a descendent of their sun goddess and a living god (more on the line of divine spirit then what we’d generally consider as a god).

 

[planten]

If the Muslims converted people by sword, it was wrong. They should not have done it. Such bad things happened in India when some Muslims from the North west (afghanistan etc) attacked India.

In the Quran, there is nothing to kill any innocent person. But it is written to fight the enemies of peace and religion. It is written to fight against the war mongers (Combatants, Kafirs)

If Muslims did something against their religion of peace, then we see that the christians also did many things (horrible) against their religious principles. You admit that your people (Christians) were violent, against the teaching of Jesus. That was bad. So the Muslims also did the bad things. They are not angels.

It is better not to accuse any one about the past. It is better to get along in a good way for a better future.

Thanks for correcting me about Hirohito.

 

[BenjaminLumen]

This may seem like an unfair question but when it comes acts of violence, Muslims are the ones that will feel justified by their relgion. Christians and everyone else it seems, when they do evil deeds, it has more do do with flaws in humanity in general. The fundamental difference between the Bible and the Koran is that while the Bible is a compulation of several books written across 1500 years by several different authors, Islam is believed to be written all at once, one time, by Allah, handed down from Gabriel. This would make the bible more open to interpretation, yet christians don’t go around bombing schools and flying planes into buildings. Does this have to do with Christians following the New, but not Old Testament since the New Testament makes the old one obsolete?

Anyways I talked to a Muslim friend of mine and he told me you can’t take little parts of the Koran to understand it but you have to read it entirely. When I ask him about all the violence committed by Muslims, he tells me they aren’t true Muslims. They don’t understand its true beauty and wisdom. Something doesn’t add up.

Could someone please give me a no bs scholary answer?

How about a common sense answer.

They are a populace with a universal drug addiction, Opium. The only populace in the world where the (its like beer drinking in the United States, or better yet Germany) they are as a culture completely addicted to a narcotic. Now you would think that that would make them sedate, on the contrary they usually don’t fight without being high on opium in a lot of cases. “The Flying Carpet”, you might as well look at that as a drug reference in a Pink Floyd song… Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds, same thing… It is a drug reference your flying carpet thing.

So you got 125-135 degree temps, and you got opium. Now the Temperature is handalable, but the combination of 125-135 and opium is a probably a case for complete
madness. That is a factor, I don’t know what percentage that is but…

Benjamin

 

[Booklover]

The present day violence of the Muslims can be traced back to the wrong notion of Jihad with weapons. Jihad had been taught seriously by a few so-called Muslim scholars. They forgot that Jihad was meant to purify the soul, i.e. to suppress the desires of the lower self and be a better man.

The Jihad was to be done with love not with weapons. Those so-called scholars gained cheap popularity. While they themselves did never took part in any of their own invented Jihad and they never sent their own children into the battlefield, they misguided the poor muslims and incited the poor muslims to go ahead and fight the non-Muslims. That was all wrong.

Take the present condition of any Muslim country. Are they Muslims?. Definitely NO. They have no morale. Nobody can speak out the truth in any Muslim country. The courts do not deliver justice. There is no real democratic setup. I feel that Islam (Peace) is now in the western countries. There is liberty in those countries.

There is no use any Muslim blaming the UK or USA as non-Muslim country. Every good principle is to be found in India, Israel, South Afrika and Europe and USA. Why the so-called Muslim countries are blind to the good things being done in nearby countries?? There is no respect and consultation (Mushawarat) system in Muslim countries. There is no inter-sect tolerance amongst muslim sects.

Muslims cannot be violent, should never be violent. If any one is violent, killing innocent people indiscriminately, he/she cannot be any Muslim.

Some so-called scholars took over the charge of the poor Muslims in India/ Pakistan / Egypt / Sudan and misled them into foolish ideas. The present condition in Muslim countries is like the life in Makkah in the time of Muhammad. There are Muslims having mosques and they are praying in very large numbers. But it is all useless, void of any love and beauty. The sooner the Muslims will get rid of their false ideas, the better it will be for them.

Otherwise they are doomed, due to their own bad deeds. They have to forget about their version of Islam and learn some human rights, human vaues. They should forget about other religions. They have to forget all teachings of hatred. They have to come to the principle of “Love for All Hatred for none.” There is no harm if they suffer. They should face the difficulty.

The best they can do is to flush out the black sheep from their ranks who are inciting the Muslims for Jihad against other nations / religions.

When Japan lost the war ( 1945, WWII), the Japanese King Hirohito addressed the Japanese nation " We have lost the war. Now bear the inevitable…" So the Japanese people obeyed their king and progressed.

How can you ignore the violence and hatred preached in the Quran? The atrocities committed by Muslims can be traced to the hateful teachings in the Quran. If Muslims really want to be people of peace, they need to get rid of the Quran!

Vickie

 

[sedonaman]

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Why the so-called Muslim countries are blind to the good things being done in nearby countries?? …

You have an interesting point here. Every violent jihadi should first check his arm for a vaccination scar put there by some Western doctor to protect him [the jihadi] from death from diseases when he was a kid. If he has one, he owes his life to the West [probably America]. And look at the thanks we get.