Why are so many priests/parishes afraid to be pro-life?

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Actually, many petitions mention those being treated with injustice, or those killed by violence, or prayers for leaders who allow injustice/cruelty, or for these leaders to end violence, especially on the innocent. The poor children brutally butchered in the name of “choice” are included in this.
I happen to believe that the petition:

“that the Lord will preserve and protect human life from the moment of conception through natural death”

includes those being treated with injustice, killed by violence, the conversion and/or thwarting of leaders who allow injustice/cruelty, etc. 👍

~~ the phoenix
 
What does that say about our clergy that they are so weak they can’t stand up for what is right and what is wrong? Are they more pleased with pleasing the people than with God? We really need to get better quality priests & religious in our Church.
Bite your tongue, or at least be careful that you do not paint with such a broad brush!

Our clergy deserve our respect, even those whose methods are suspect – and, yes, even those guilty of moral cowardice – because they are priests.

Besides, you completely neglected the large body of clergy who are staunchly and outspokenly pro-life, not to mention those of whose participation in the movement you are ignorant.

Peace,
Dante
 
Bite your tongue, or at least be careful that you do not paint with such a broad brush!

Our clergy deserve our respect, even those whose methods are suspect – and, yes, even those guilty of moral cowardice – because they are priests.

Besides, you completely neglected the large body of clergy who are staunchly and outspokenly pro-life, not to mention those of whose participation in the movement you are ignorant.

Peace,
Dante
Moral cowardice cuts both ways. I once saw a priest simply suggest that labels can be dehumanizing. He then gave the example that “illegal alien” conjurs up a different mental image than “fellow child of God”. Two people stood up and left.

I’ve also seen plenty of complaints on this forum about priests who are ‘too liberal’. But who is the coward? The priest that reiterates a point seemingly stressed by Christ and accepted by the Church as doctrine, or the person who gets angry at hearing it?

A message of hate and self rightousness is seductive and easy. Look at talk radio. But a message of truly accepting Christ and all the consequences of that acceptance, is not always so easy.
 
If such a thing were to be raised in a sermon during Mass, there’s a tremendous likelihood that someone in the congregation will object and start a shouting match with the priest. It may have been possible to mention that issue in a time when there was respect for the dignity of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, but people can’t be expected to behave during Mass anymore.

I understand why a priest would want to avoid the nightmare of parishioner rebellion during Mass.
Maybe that’s a Canadian thing, but we (in Alabama) often hear pro-life oriented homilies and the parish always sends a contingent to the pro-life “Life Chain” each October. (And our pastor and associate tend to be on the more liberal side of things!)

We have huge numbers of young people at our Catholic high school in the pro-life club, a big pro-life banquet that club puts on annually, and a big group of kids who take buses up to D.C. for the March for Life every year. I guess we’re in good shape compared to most.
 
Moral cowardice cuts both ways. I once saw a priest simply suggest that labels can be dehumanizing. He then gave the example that “illegal alien” conjurs up a different mental image than “fellow child of God”. Two people stood up and left.

I’ve also seen plenty of complaints on this forum about priests who are ‘too liberal’. But who is the coward? The priest that reiterates a point seemingly stressed by Christ and accepted by the Church as doctrine, or the person who gets angry at hearing it?

A message of hate and self rightousness is seductive and easy. Look at talk radio. But a message of truly accepting Christ and all the consequences of that acceptance, is not always so easy.
Perhaps you’re under the impression that I am defending the actions of such priests. If so, be assured that I am not. What I am defending is the dignity of their office. That a given priest may be labeled a “liberal” because of his actions (or lack thereof) in no way gives us license to denigrate him.

Peace,
Dante
 
The question was why are so many priests unwilling to discuss abortion. OK I am against abortion and human trafficing. Since human trafficing is at this time illegal in our country, why not focus on the evil that currently is legal and encourage our church leaders to speak out against it?
Becuase he wants to derail the thread. I am sure he will soon be posting his “republicans suport slavery and forced abortion” rant before long

Notice how the topic is hardly adressed anymore while posters try to adress absurd accusations about republicams and sex slaves.

As with a pine forest which quicky dies when the pine beetles arrive threads quicky deterioate when the abortion apologists show up.
 
What I am defending is the dignity of their office. That a given priest may be labeled a “liberal” because of his actions (or lack thereof) in no way gives us license to denigrate him.
I would wholeheartedly agree. As to reading more or less into your intentions, that was not my point, or my intent.

Peace.
 
Becuase he wants to derail the thread. I am sure he will soon be posting his “republicans suport slavery and forced abortion” rant before long

Notice how the topic is hardly adressed anymore while posters try to adress absurd accusations about republicams and sex slaves.

As with a pine forest which quicky dies when the pine beetles arrive threads quicky deterioate when the abortion apologists show up.
My point remains the same. The Church’s definition of pro-life, as spelled out extensively by the Church, is quite broad.

Perhaps threads would stay more on point if you had more willingness to actually discuss what the Church, in fact, teaches, instead of engaging in guesswork regarding my intent.

Given your propensity for repeating baseless hate speech, like calling anyone who dares to suggest actually reading what the Church has to say “pro abortion” or an “abortion apologist”, the most reasonable interpretation is that derailing is your intent, not others.
 
Well, just forget the term pro-life, then Shame on you with all your tired, “I’m better than you” semantics because I supposedely care about life after it is born. I am proudly ANTI-ABORTION and anyone with a soul who loves Jesus should be, too. Do pro-abortionists sit there and mince words over being “pro-choice.” There is no choice in the abortion movement, just explotation and degradation of women. So why do you get on here and claim to be pro-life? If you can’t defend the most helpless of humans, how are you going to defend any human?
 
Well, just forget the term pro-life, then Shame on you with all your tired, “I’m better than you” semantics because I supposedely care about life after it is born. I am proudly ANTI-ABORTION and anyone with a soul who loves Jesus should be, too. Do pro-abortionists sit there and mince words over being “pro-choice.” There is no choice in the abortion movement, just explotation and degradation of women. So why do you get on here and claim to be pro-life? If you can’t defend the most helpless of humans, how are you going to defend any human?
Well stated.
 
If you can’t defend the most helpless of humans, how are you going to defend any human?
I think you have been confused by baseless slurs. I am unabashedly pro-life, including anti abortion. I am not just so in principle, but in personal practice.

With our last child, my wife steadfastly refused a strong recommendation for a medical abortion - in a Catholic hospital. Our son is severely disabled, but remains one of the lights of my life.

I also served as a medic in Vietnam, spending nearly two years with a battalion that suffered the highest casualty rates in USMC history (well over 90% kia over the total deployment). Again, as a reflection of my committment to our teachings about life.

I do not embrace abortion, I reject it because I embrace the Church’s teaching in that the right to life is inalienable at “every phase” and in “every condition” (see CHRISTIFIDELES LAICI #38 vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/apost_exhortations/documents/hf_jp-ii_exh_30121988_christifideles-laici_en.html)).

Where Estesbob and I disagree are on two things. First, he argues that it is approproate to abridge the Church’s teaching on pro-life for the purposes of voting. I disagree, the Church explained quite clearly that moral relativism on fundemental teachings is not licit in voting (see this Doctrinal Note, #4: vatican.va/roman_curia//congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20021124_politica_en.html)). I suggest people read and follow the Vatican’s guidance on critical teachings.

Second, Estesbob has asserted that he, and the GOP, are the source of “all good” on the “only issues that matter” to “real” Catholics. I disagree, I believe that God is the source of all good and that undue faith in a earthly political party (or system) is idolotry.

Because we do not agree, estesbob routinely accuses me of being pro-abortion. However, the accusation is utterly without basis. In fact, I am far more conservative on abortion than most posters here. If you search, you will find that I follow Church writings on the matter quite literally, and do not accept Vern and estesbob’s assertion that over 100,000 abortions in the US each year are ‘licit’. I believe that the response by the Tribunal of the Holy Office in 1902 as still being in place, since there appears to be no document overturning it.

In that instance, as this, I did/do not assert any moral authority (unlike Estesbob, I do not believe that I judge who is, and is not, a “real” Catholic). However, I think it is important to read what the Church actually says instead of just repeating what we think or want it to say.
 
I agree with turtle. Our priests and bishops are hiding. It seems they have become Nancy Pelosi Catholics. And for what the money? Last Sunday I had to leave Mass during as the Deacon said he did not understand Americans who want fences built on our borders. I could not believe my ears who has more barriers than the Catholic church and he can not understand why we Americans don’t want people entering our country illegally.

To become a Catholic you must take classes for a year. There is a process the church makes people go thru. Everyone is not automatically made Catholic.

The church has rules women are not allowed to be priests. Should the church make all women priest.

If you are a divorced and remarried Catholic you are Ex- Communicated. Should the church give amnesty to all and let them back into the faith.

God has his rules the COMMANDMENTS shall we just have everyone disregard Gods law and let them into the fold.

Why don’t the Catholic church let everyone go to their schools for free, why are there entrance test and entrance requires.

The church the priest and the bishops never come out and support the unborn, the generousity of this nation, and the daily fight against the socialist and Nancy Pelosi Catholics. Why not and I for one am tried of it.
 
I decided to “go into” this topic regarding “not sufficient priests being pro-life” because I took part in the “Walk for Life” here in San Francisco last Saturday, January 19th. There were THOUSANDS of people there – BUT also many young priests who joined us. Of course, it was reported very inaccurately in our local newspaper, but that didn’t surprise me. We were surrounded by people – the police did a fabulous job of keeping people organized – and the picture in the paper showed very few people participating (can’t help wondering where they got that one). I am a cradle Catholic and have great respect for priests, particularly those in my parish, St. Gabriel’s.
 
I think it is great that folks march for life. As we celebrated Martin Luther King Day yesterday I wonder what he would think of the abortion issue. In his " I Have A Dream Speech" the Rev. King makes many references to God, I wonder how the media would represent him today. I have an idea how, the media calls him Dr. King not Rev King that is a clue. I am sure Rev. King would defend the rights of the unborn and he would not be hiding. Where are our Cathoic leaders and why are they not speaking out against lawmakers of our faith that support abortion.
 
This is quite the strawman. I don’t know any priests that are afraid to be pro-life. In my parish, we pray for respect for life at Mass every week. That has been true most places I have attended (although I must admit to not keeping track of such things). We also pray for social consciousness, we pray for peace, we pray for compassion towards outsiders. Each of these prayers sits uncomfortably with someone. That’s good, IMO, we need to be reminded of the things that make us uncomfortable and not just constantly hear the priest going on about the issues we already believe in. I don’t know what kind of priests you have or are referring to, but mine talk about all kinds of controversial issues, including abortion and other life issues. While some may be, generally priests are not cowards, and to claim they are does them a disservice.
 
Lots of interesting things in this thread. It would be nice to hear from the large and powerful group called “Priests For Life.” I would not know how many priests are Dem, Republican or what. My experiences are that there is a rather good mix.

I know of a few Priests, Sisters and Religious Brothers who favor birth control and abortion. I hope that number is small. Some in favor are openly defiant on many matters from the Church. Others, and this is a small group in my experiences, speak of being pro-life, but I have seen them in high fits of racism calling for birth control and abortion of non-White races. They probably never expected to spew such garbage out, but they have long let certain fears and prejudices well up inside that it spill out in such ugly ways.

The “pro-life” issues need to cover more than just two rules on the pill and abortion. Disrespect of gaves, rascist attitudes and fears, and a host of similar subjects are part of the “Life” issue.

I remember driving a small number of priests and brothers one day - and they went histerical becasue they saw two teenage Black girls watching over a sizable number of pre-schoolers. My comrades’ take was that was a reason for abortion and birth controle. I figured the young ladies were simply babysitting and being responcible for the new life among us. My fellow Religious insisted those young ladies were th mothers of all those 3-4 year olds. I suppose that’s not impossible, but I found it rather unbelievable. The most likely situation is they were careing for the kids while the parents were probably working.

So, there it is - conservatinve republican voting religious losing controle on the spur of the moment and fliping from Pro-life to abortion on demand based on race. Those are some very serious life issues. Thank God they were not in charge when I was being born.
 
Because they are afraid there will be no participants in the laity of the church.

Maybe we have difference, in our country Priest’s continue to support the Pro Life stands and shouts it so loud in the Pulpit the grave sins of abortion. Even in the Legislation our Roman Catholic Bishops sustain to fight against the legislators who wanted to submit a law to make the abortion legal.
Maybe our incessant prayers for our Priests to have Courage to stand to the Doctrine of Mother Church, Strengthened in moments of Temptations and Trials, and we should show support on them too. These are the things we as Flock should gave them, for they too are just Human with weaknesses and failure.
Let us pray everyday for them that they may fullfill their vocation with total fidelity to Jesus Christ and guide their Flocks in Love, Hope and Truth.
God bless…🙂
 
Well, I am happy to announce that my parish’s priests are all very much, and very vocally, Pro-Life/Anti-Abortion. Last night, I attended my very first Respect Life vigil where we remembered the innocent lives lost to abortion, and where we prayed for their precious souls and for those who caused their deaths. There were about 100 people in attendance, which was meager compared to the size of our parish, but the message was loud and clear - our priests and our parish are clearly 100% Pro-Life/Anti-Abortion, and as a Catholic, you really cannot be any other way. If there are members who believe differently, that is between themselves and God, because they have been taught differently by the Church as far as my parish is concerned.
 
I live in Topeka KS & have always had priests who support human life from birth until death! I have always had a priest who supports this (at least 5 different ones).

We collect baby items when the local Pro-life agencies ask for our help & each year on the anniversary month of Roe v Wade.
Our priest makes sure he talks about what is expected of us &
ISN’T AFRAID OF LOSING PARISHIONERS! He has ask several to commit to our parish or drop from the registered list.

Very Pro-life Topekan:
 
That is great Topeka. I guess that is what I wanted to hear. I live in the San Francisco bay area. The land of the Nancy Pelosi catholics. Where abortion, gay marriages, anti God, and anti americanism is supported. My priests say nothing against these ideas. I just bought a house in Missouri and can not wait to get there. Maybe I will have a parish like yours
 
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