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Why do you think so many scientists are atheists?

In 1996, Nature found 60.7% of scientists expressing disbelief or doubt.

72.2% of the “greater” scientists do no believe in God. About 20.8% are agnostic.

The article in the link below calls the “greater” scientists those who are National Academy of Sciences (NAS).

stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/news/file002.html

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Why do you think so many scientists are atheists?

In 1996, Nature found 60.7% of scientists expressing disbelief or doubt.

72.2% of the “greater” scientists do no believe in God. About 20.8% are agnostic.

The article in the link below calls the “greater” scientists those who are National Academy of Sciences (NAS).

stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/news/file002.html

:confused:
Personally I think the theory of evolution has a lot to do with it. Until such time as a definite answer is provided for the origin of life, and a workable alternative theory of aging is proven to be viable, they’ll go on being atheists. Man doesn’t want to believe in God generally anyway, so all they’re doing is using their science to promote their own atheism.

At the moment for example, even the Church dithers. On the one hand there will be a statement from the Vatican stating evolution is more than a theory, and then on the other the catechism will make reference to “original sin” and “Adam and Eve” as literal people.

In the meantime it makes no effort to define exactly where “sin” did come from if the evolutionary context is correct.

This leaves a lot of room for atheists to avoid the issue of Christ. If the Church can’t make a clear statement on origins for example, and explain it’s theology and the need for redemption in the light of that statement, they why should they take any notice?
 
At the moment for example, even the Church dithers. On the one hand there will be a statement from the Vatican stating evolution is more than a theory, and then on the other the catechism will make reference to “original sin” and “Adam and Eve” as literal people.

In the meantime it makes no effort to define exactly where “sin” did come from if the evolutionary context is correct.
Many of Church Fathers held that the garden of Eden was in some celestial realm, utterly distinct from the world we now inhabit. After man sinned, God then created for man the bodies we now inhabit as He "made for Adam and for his wife garments of skins, and clothed them (Gen 3:21). These skins were our bodies, as Job says: “You clothed me with skin and flesh, and knit me together with bones and sinews” (Job 10:11). In other words, due to original sin in a celestial world, our rational souls were banished to bodies made through evolution in this corporeal world. Thus there is no contradiction between between evolution and original sin. And we are failing to make these teachings known to scientists.

Here’s how Augustine explained the fall of man:

“But [Adam and Eve] continued to remain in Paradise, even though now under the sentence of God’s condemnation, until it came to thetunics of skin, that is, to the mortal condition of this life…And so when the man went against the commandment and sought to be God, not by lawful imitation but by unlawful pride, he wascast down into the mortal condition of monstrous beasts” (On Genesis: A Refutation of the Manichees, Section 2.32)

Furthermore, Saint Thomas Aquinas posited that God could bring forth one species from another if He so willed it. From the Summa Theologica:

“Some laid it down that God acts from natural necessity in such way that as from the action of nature nothing else can happen beyond what actually takes place–as, for instance, from the seed of man, a man must come, and from that of an olive, an olive; so from the divine operation there could not result other things, nor another order of things, than that which now is. But we showed above (Question 19, Article 3) that God does not act from natural necessity, but that His will is the cause of all things; nor is that will naturally and from any necessity determined to those things. Whence in no way at all is the present course of events produced by God from any necessity, so that other things could not happen, [and] the divine wisdom is not so restricted to any particular order that no other course of events could happen. Wherefore we must simply say that God can do other things than those He has done.” (STh, I, q.25 a.5)

So if God chose to cast us down into the conditions of beasts by giving us bodies descended from them, this is entirely compatible with the tradition of the Church. Make sense?

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Actually, as the Catechism states, man is a religious being. That does not mean that Man will prescribe to any religion however. It does mean that Man seeks to know God, but for many scientists, God is science, so science becomes their religion. To many atheistic scientists, I imagine that, like us, any god but their own seems absurd. Remember that one’s God can be anything – anything that is worshipped: science, Buddha, money, sex, anything. Man naturally seeks God, but can easily be misled.
 
Why do you think so many scientists are atheists?

In 1996, Nature found 60.7% of scientists expressing disbelief or doubt.

72.2% of the “greater” scientists do no believe in God. About 20.8% are agnostic.

The article in the link below calls the “greater” scientists those who are National Academy of Sciences (NAS).

stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/news/file002.html

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I believe that most real scientists are busy people. Too busy, in fact, to study religion, philosophy, or theology. So, they have come to depend upon the loudest voices among the scientists, which, I think, are usually atheists. And, they mimic them - at least, to some degree.

It is also strange that one can find all kinds of statistics on this topic. I also imagine real scientists have grown tired of all the surveys!

God bless,
jd
 
Many scientists are atheists because they have no interest in things that cannot be empirically proven, controlled, and predicted.
 
I think that many people who say they are atheist are really just lazy. Looking down on people who believe in God is easier than really proving you’re intelligent. They go by the logic, “dumb people believe in God, I don’t believe in God, therefore I’m not dumb.”

I find that most people who claim to be atheist are more guilty of blindly following a religion than us Catholics. They certainly suffer from a higher degree of arrogance.
 
Many scientists are also social misfits and/or total jerks, but I wouldn’t hold that against science in general. 😉

Partly, I think it’s a sort of subculture. Why are so many in the Liberal Arts and Social Sciences leftist Marxist moonbats? It is something extraneous (usually) to their area of study that is nonetheless expected and/or encouraged by their colleagues.

Academia is a political as anything else. “Not what you know but who you know”, “go along to get along”, etc. are all things that can apply as much in the halls of the ivory towers as they do among the cubicles and shelving units of the lower world.
 
In the movie Expelled, Ben Stein interviewed a scientist who had been raised Protestant and spoke with his biology prof about the text book. The prof told him to just stick with the class and ask him any questions at the end of the semester.

By the end of the semester, he was a stone cold atheist, and has never looked back.

Very sad.
 
I find that most people who claim to be atheist are more guilty of blindly following a religion than us Catholics. They certainly suffer from a higher degree of arrogance.
As a former atheist, I find this to be very offensive. I wasn’t arrogant - I just didn’t know anything. And judging from the emperical evidence around me, I couldn’t see God so I didn’t believe in Him.

It wasn’t until a much deeper search began did I begin to believe.

Please don’t lump a group of people together and insult them, this is called bigotry.
 
Why do you think so many scientists are atheists?

In 1996, Nature found 60.7% of scientists expressing disbelief or doubt.

72.2% of the “greater” scientists do no believe in God. About 20.8% are agnostic.

The article in the link below calls the “greater” scientists those who are National Academy of Sciences (NAS).

stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/news/file002.html

:confused:
One could ask what the job duties are of a scientist. Then go from there.
 
As a former atheist, I find this to be very offensive. I wasn’t arrogant - I just didn’t know anything. And judging from the emperical evidence around me, I couldn’t see God so I didn’t believe in Him.

It wasn’t until a much deeper search began did I begin to believe.

Please don’t lump a group of people together and insult them, this is called bigotry.
I happen to think this thread will serve a purpose, and the persons who have replied to it are unwittingly participating in exposing common theistic worldviews.
 
Scientists, by profession, study reality, as opposed to the contents of their own imaginations.

People who study reality are more likely not to accept the existence of beings that do not manifest in any way and that are thus indistinguishable from nothing.
 
How so? I personally believe I will be fertilizer for the grass when I die if buried. I am not an athiest, nor a scientist. A scientist who happens to also be an athiest may agree that my position is correct.
Is this ego speaking?
Perhaps the comments on this thread about others beliefs are done in humility?
 
I agree the battle for evolution turned many scientist away from religion. Additionally I suspect “scientist” is a term more used by the young who are less likely to be spiritually developed so maybe many old “scientist” fail to report themselves as scientist rather than as religious.
As a former atheist, I find this to be very offensive. I wasn’t arrogant - I just didn’t know anything. And judging from the emperical evidence around me, I couldn’t see God so I didn’t believe in Him.
It wasn’t until a much deeper search began did I begin to believe.
-]Please don’t lump a group of people together and insult them, this is called bigotry/-].
One could say ignorant as opposed to arrogant but that would be a injustice here. I have done the same as you and who is to say paperbackwriter didn’t? Welcome on board.
 
I think that many people who say they are atheist are really just lazy. Looking down on people who believe in God is easier than really proving you’re intelligent. They go by the logic, “dumb people believe in God, I don’t believe in God, therefore I’m not dumb.”

I find that most people who claim to be atheist are more guilty of blindly following a religion than us Catholics. They certainly suffer from a higher degree of arrogance.
That’s not logical at all, but I think there is an inverse correlation between IQ scores and religious belief.

But even if that is demonstrably correct, it does not necessarily mean that all “dumb people” believe in God. For example, saying that “dumb people” believe in God is like saying that an upper middle income person is a Republican because there is a correlation between income and holding politically conservative views.**

In the 2004 Election, those earning more than >$50 thousand a year, were more likely to vote for George W. Bush over John Kerry, and as income went up (up to >$250 thousand per year), they was an increasing proportion of people voting Republican.

cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/US/P/00/epolls.0.html
 
That’s not logical at all, but I think there is an inverse correlation between IQ scores and religious belief…
What does that say about our Bishops?
But even if that is demonstrably correct, it does not necessarily mean that all “dumb people” believe in God. For example, saying that “dumb people” believe in God is like saying that an upper middle income person is a Republican because there is a correlation between income and holding politically conservative views.**
In the 2004 Election, those earning more than >$50 thousand a year, were more likely to vote for George W. Bush over John Kerry, and as income went up (up to >$250 thousand per year), they was an increasing proportion of people voting Republican.
Same poll shows well educated people split down the middle on the vote…so must it must be that education and income are not related!

correlation does not mean causation, young people see a very different world than old people so if you want a certain result you may achieve it by picking the right group to sample. That is likely why the thread exists, scientist particularly now may give atheist the population the atheist need.
 
What does that say about our Bishops? Same poll shows well educated people split down the middle on the vote…so must it must be that education and income are not related!

correlation does not mean causation, young people see a very different world than old people so if you want a certain result you may achieve it by picking the right group to sample. That is likely why the thread exists, scientist particularly now may give atheist the population the atheist need.
This poll was done by CNN, am I correct?
If I am correct, then why would you conclude in the manner you did so?
 
This poll was done by CNN, am I correct?
If I am correct, then why would you conclude in the manner you did so?
I did not conclude anything the statement was satire. Since high income people in that poll voted 63% for Bush and post graduates voted 55% for Kerry, one would logically conclude post graduates (Kerry voters) could not have high incomes because those high income people are Bush voters. Similarly one could postulate that post graduate jobs as doctors, lawyers, college professors must be paid poorly. Again the point was “correlation does not mean causation”. Said properly the survey suggests the National Academy of Sciences (NAS) may attract atheists, encourage an atheist atmosphere, discourage theists, or have other bias. As the results have been repeated it would not appear to a random anomaly

Hope that clears it up
 
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