Why are some of you Catholic, Roman Catholc, Obl. OSB, etc

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1ke said:
So, it is your position that Truth does not matter.
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Of course truth matters. It should always matter. But, whose truth? Catholics? Protestants? Mormons? Jehovah’s Witness? Seventh Day Adventist? Orthodox? Jewish? the list goes on. The Truth is this: JESUS CHRIST. Catholics and Protestants agree on that point. CU makes a good point in that all this “My church is better or more true than yours” is basically like childish sibling rivalry. And, to WoundedIcon, may I humbly suggest that you look at the fundamental teachings (i.e. The “we believe” part) of the various Protestant churches. You will find that most all agree on the most basic and fundamental things. 1. That Jesus is God and only He can offer Salvation, and 2. The Holy Bible is the Word of God. That’s what makes us the Church of Jesus Christ. I am as much a Brother in Christ to an AOG member as I am a Catholic.
 
batman1973 said:
Of course truth matters. It should always matter. But, whose truth? Catholics? Protestants? Mormons? Jehovah’s Witness? Seventh Day Adventist? Orthodox? Jewish? the list goes on.
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The implication here being that Truth is either relative or unknowable.

I reject that position. The Truth is both objective and knowable.
 
WoundedIcon said:
But your comparison falls apart when one realizes that Protestants can’t even agree on what a lot of the Solas mean. To a Baptist, your Lutheran teachings of baptismal regeneration and consubstantiation would be a violation of those first three Solas. To a Calvinist, an Arminian’s insistence on conditional election is an affront to Soli Deo Gloria and Sola Gratia. Traditional Protestants believe the Bible to be the ultimate authority, newer stripes believe it to be the only one.

I’ve been there, done that. It’s very different.
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-]consubstantiation/-] replace with realpresence as expressed as Sacramental Union.
Lutheranism rejects consubstantiation.

Otherwise, I must agree.

Jon
 
Woundedicon…

The idea of being one in Christ and not even worshipping or fellowshipping together says something about one’s beliefs.

And theology not that important is akin to the Evangelical mantra going around…Religion destroys faith in God…or religion cannot bring us God…only faith and spirituality.

Sola Scriptura…Jesus The Word…alone…text…division of written interpretation vs.
One Bread, One Body…the Eucharist, Jesus the Word Made Flesh.

Tremendous difference.
 
1ke said:
So, it is your position that Truth does not matter.
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Of course truth matters. Since we are on a Catholic Forum site, it’s hard to argue what is truth. If you were on a Protestant Forum site, truth on that site would be quite different than what is truth on this site.
 
KathleenGee said:
Woundedicon…

The idea of being one in Christ and not even worshipping or fellowshipping together says something about one’s beliefs.

And theology not that important is akin to the Evangelical mantra going around…Religion destroys faith in God…or religion cannot bring us God…only faith and spirituality.

Sola Scriptura…Jesus The Word…alone…text…division of written interpretation vs.
One Bread, One Body…the Eucharist, Jesus the Word Made Flesh.

Tremendous difference.
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I can link you to Protestant websites in which entire Evangelical Alliances made up of many Protestant denominations that would not receive you as siblings in Christ. I would be rebuked by my Evangelical brothers for fellowshipping with you on Catholic Answers.
 
Christian_Unity said:
You guys can continue say the Catholic Church is the One True Church and hold your breath to your face turns blue… like a toddler pouting, but that Catholic belief is just that, a Cathoic belief shared by Catholics in which your Protestants siblings disagree.
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I will continue to say that the Catholic Church is the One True Church. Thanks for the go-ahead. 🙂
 
1ke said:
The implication here being that Truth is either relative or unknowable.

I reject that position. The Truth is both objective and knowable.
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While it is true “Truth” is objective, it is also subjective in the sense that it requires a subjective mind to acknowledge it. An object cannot “know”, only a subject 🙂
And I would be careful with using the word “know” so ostentatiously.
While you hold fast to the Truth, you will only “know” it when the “Truth” so makes itself evident to you (before God).

God bless,
D.
 
Delaine75 said:
I will continue to say that the Catholic Church is the One True Church. Thanks for the go-ahead. 🙂
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It is quite appropriate to continue to proclaim that the Catholic Church is the One True Church on this Catholic site. However, it you went to a Christian Forum site with a mixed bag of Christian denominations, or a Protestant Forum site, you will find sincere and grounded Christians who would believe otherwise; they would give you a good debate on the topic. I am not going to debate this issue on a Catholic Forum site. I can disagree agreeably with you on this issue, and respect your belief as a sibling in Christ.
 
Christian_Unity said:
Oh come on guys, you are either united to Christ or you are not. All other theological distinctive which divide the body of Christ are moot point, and can tempt the flesh. We should simply attend the purest Christian church according to our own discernment and conscience before God. To say my church is more right than yours, or my church is the one true church is toddler sibling rivalry.
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I’m sorry, but that’s not what the Bible says.

"…the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine, in accordance with the gospel of the glory of the blessed God with which I have been entrusted." (1 Timothy 1:10-11 ESV)

“If anyone teaches a different doctrine and does not agree with the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ and the teaching that accords with godliness, he is puffed up with conceit and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy craving for controversy and for quarrels about words, which produce envy, dissension, slander, evil suspicions,
and constant friction among people who are depraved in mind and deprived of the truth, imagining that godliness is a means of gain.”
(1 Timothy 6:3-5 ESV)

“He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it.” (Titus 1:9 ESV)

“But as for you, teach what accords with sound doctrine.” (Titus 2:1 ESV)

There is ONE Gospel, which means ONE set of doctrines which are correct. Not two, not twenty, not two hundred. There is the sound doctrine that goes with the Gospel of Jesus Christ, and there is everything else. To say that the Apostles had different denominations is to say that they had different Lords, different baptisms, and different faiths. This is not what St. Paul says, nor is it what the Christian Church has ever taught. Unity to Christ means to be united to the sound doctrines of the Gospel, and that those who contradict it must be rebuked. To say that there are several “churches” that teach doctrines that contradict each other, but are still equally in accord with one another is nothing less than doctrinal relativism.
 
Christian_Unity said:
It is quite appropriate to continue to proclaim that the Catholic Church is the One True Church on this Catholic site. However, it you went to a Christian Forum site with a mixed bag of Christian denominations, or a Protestant Forum site, you will find sincere and grounded Christians who would believe otherwise; they would give you a good debate on the topic. I am not going to debate this issue on a Catholic Forum site. I can disagree agreeably with you on this issue, and respect your belief as a sibling in Christ.
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This:thumbsup:
 
Cruxis117 said:
I’m sorry, but that’s not what the Bible says.

"…the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine, in accordance with the gospel of the glory of the blessed God with which I have been entrusted." (1 Timothy 1:10-11 ESV)

“If anyone teaches a different doctrine and does not agree with the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ and the teaching that accords with godliness, he is puffed up with conceit and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy craving for controversy and for quarrels about words, which produce envy, dissension, slander, evil suspicions,
and constant friction among people who are depraved in mind and deprived of the truth, imagining that godliness is a means of gain.”
(1 Timothy 6:3-5 ESV)

“He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it.” (Titus 1:9 ESV)

“But as for you, teach what accords with sound doctrine.” (Titus 2:1 ESV)

There is ONE Gospel, which means ONE set of doctrines which are correct. Not two, not twenty, not two hundred. There is the sound doctrine that goes with the Gospel of Jesus Christ, and there is everything else. To say that the Apostles had different denominations is to say that they had different Lords, different baptisms, and different faiths. This is not what St. Paul says, nor is it what the Christian Church has ever taught. Unity to Christ means to be united to the sound doctrines of the Gospel, and that those who contradict it must be rebuked. To say that there are several “churches” that teach doctrines that contradict each other, but are still equally in accord with one another is nothing less than doctrinal relativism.
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I am familiar with Galatians 1 and Paul’s warning of a different gospel which is no gospel at all. Do you believe if the historic Protestant understanding of the gospel is a false gospel which does not save sinners?
 
Christian_Unity said:
You guys can continue say the Catholic Church is the One True Church and hold your breath to your face turns blue…** like a toddler pouting**, but that Catholic belief is just that, a Cathoic belief shared by Catholics in which your Protestants siblings disagree.
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CU,
In another thread I chastised a Catholic poster for remarks that we uncharitable to your beliefs, even though I more agreed with his view than yours.

I find this remark to be similarly uncharitable, and certainly not in keeping with the sentiments professed by your handle, “Christian unity”.

Catholics make this claim out of a sincere belief that, based on Christ’s declaration to St. Peter, “…on this rock…”. Now, I question the claim based on my belief that The Great Schism and all it entails regarding the division of the patriarchates. That said, I do not think they are pouting like a toddler, but speak instead from said sincere belief.

Jon
 
Christian_Unity said:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theology_of_Martin_Luther
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And?

Here’s the source of Lutheran teaching.

bookofconcord.org/index.php

I am not contending against forensic justification, only stating that it isn’t simply a one-time event in the sense some explain it. I also don’t believe, as you said, that justification is separated from sanctification. Luther is clear on that, also.

Is it forensic in that we are declared righteous for Christ’s sake? Yes.

Jon
 
I am Latin rite because of my family’s tradition.
But by soul/spirit I am much more universally Catholic.
 
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