Why are some of you Catholic, Roman Catholc, Obl. OSB, etc

[batman1973]

CU,
In another thread I chastised a Catholic poster for remarks that we uncharitable to your beliefs, even though I more agreed with his view than yours.

I find this remark to be similarly uncharitable, and certainly not in keeping with the sentiments professed by your handle, “Christian unity”.

Catholics make this claim out of a sincere belief that, based on Christ’s declaration to St. Peter, “…on this rock…”. Now, I question the claim based on my belief that The Great Schism and all it entails regarding the division of the patriarchates. That said, I do not think they are pouting like a toddler, but speak instead from said sincere belief.

Jon

honestly Jon, there is plenty of uncharitableness here. It’s disrespectful to call our churches “Ecclesiastical Comunities” or saying we believe in a “cesspool of heresies” or that Martin Luther was demon influenced. Sure, they have a sincere belief in their church. And so do we. If someone is offended by what we non-Catholics post here, Then why have us post here at all?

 

[Delaine75]

That’s exactly what I thought as well. I’m not quite sure what the OP’s intention was by making that particular statement, but I really thought it was a bit inappropriate.

 

[hn160]

honestly Jon, there is plenty of uncharitableness here. It’s disrespectful to call our churches “Ecclesiastical Comunities” or saying we believe in a “cesspool of heresies” or that Martin Luther was demon influenced. Sure, they have a sincere belief in their church. And so do we. If someone is offended by what we non-Catholics post here, Then why have us post here at all?

You are right, there are some Catholics here that only want to beat up on non-Roman Catholics and they come up with dumb down threads such as " Nuttiest Things Non-Catholics Have Said or Done Around You Because You’re Catholic".

 

[Delaine75]

It is quite appropriate to continue to proclaim that the Catholic Church is the One True Church on this Catholic site. However, it you went to a Christian Forum site with a mixed bag of Christian denominations, or a Protestant Forum site, you will find sincere and grounded Christians who would believe otherwise; they would give you a good debate on the topic. I am not going to debate this issue on a Catholic Forum site. I can disagree agreeably with you on this issue, and respect your belief as a sibling in Christ.

With all due respect, I wouldn’t go on a forum like that because I’d have no reason to.

 

[jmcrae]

Help me understand, why are some of you guys Catholic, Roman Catholic, Obl. OSB, Catholic from a certain rite, etc? I thought the Catholc Church was one. Are those who identified as Roman Catholic belong to a different church that those who identifed themselves as Catholic?

“Catholic” and “Roman Catholic” usually refer to the same thing - Christians who are in full communion with the Bishop of Rome, who is the Successor of Peter, who was appointed by Jesus Christ to be the Shepherd of the Church (John 21:15-19).

The various letters after people’s names signify religious communities within the Catholic Church, such as Franciscans, Oblates of Mary Immaculate, Jesuits, Benedictines, Opus Dei, Carmelites, Sisters of the Precious Blood, and so on.

Each of these different communities has a different focus, and different work that they do, but they continue to believe and practice the same Catholic faith as everyone else, and all of them are in full communion with the Bishop of Rome, without division.

 

[iloveangels]

With all due respect, I wouldn’t go on a forum like that because I’d have no reason to.

Ridiculous bickering. The reformation was hundreds of years ago. Get over it.
The real problems now are something else.

 

[batman1973]

You must not really read all the posts on here. Or, maybe not ventured beyond the Non Catholic religion forum. The comments I’ve posted aren’t combative, they’re posted by your fellow Catholics. You yourself seem to get offended easily by the Protestants that post here. If we disagree with your church’s teaching, we are “combative” or “Obnoxious” Not all of us are as well mannered as Jon. He has that unique gift.

 

[GKC]

You must not really read all the posts on here. Or, maybe not ventured beyond the Non Catholic religion forum. The comments I’ve posted aren’t combative, they’re posted by your fellow Catholics. You yourself seem to get offended easily by the Protestants that post here. If we disagree with your church’s teaching, we are “combative” or “Obnoxious” Not all of us are as well mannered as Jon. He has that unique gift.

In my experience on the board, which is far more extensive than yours, (name removed by moderator) has that gift too.

And pushing 20,000 posts, in which he has honed and demonstrated it, to my satisfaction.

Personal, experienced, opinion.

GKC

Anglicanus-Catholicus

 

[Christian_Unity]

Thanks for all of your education on this thread. I think I have a much better understanding. We should all move on to other topics.

 

[KathleenGee]

I would also strongly recommend non-Catholics read the various articles on www.calledtocommunion.com. It is very indepth and there are former Protestant ministers on there who are now Catholic and can articulate and comprehend more deeply sentiments of both sides.

God bless to all!

 

[batman1973]

I would also strongly recommend non-Catholics read the various articles on www.calledtocommunion.com. It is very indepth and there are former Protestant ministers on there who are now Catholic and can articulate and comprehend more deeply sentiments of both sides.

God bless to all!

Thank you for sharing this. I will bookmark this, so i can thumb through it. God bless you as well.

 

[Ubenedictus]

“Catholic” and “Roman Catholic” usually refer to the same thing - Christians who are in full communion with the Bishop of Rome, who is the Successor of Peter, who was appointed by Jesus Christ to be the Shepherd of the Church (John 21:15-19).

The various letters after people’s names signify religious communities within the Catholic Church, such as Franciscans, Oblates of Mary Immaculate, Jesuits, Benedictines, Opus Dei, Carmelites, Sisters of the Precious Blood, and so on.

Each of these different communities has a different focus, and different work that they do, but they continue to believe and practice the same Catholic faith as everyone else, and all of them are in full communion with the Bishop of Rome, without division.

amen!!! I think this clearly answers the OP. Maybe it is time to go back to the topic!

 

[KathleenGee]

You are most welcome!

I came to it awhile back, the title regarding ‘Ecclesial Diests’ and I think it was put out in 2009, August…some how saw it pop up and went back to it…so much on there and alot to digest…alot of theological depth.

Yes, I pray we all come to the same banquet…where we can all be with one another…concretely…if you understand where I am coming from…

And yes…the Reformation is over and it was corrected by the Church at the Council of Trent.

 

[JonNC]

=batman1973;10058299]honestly Jon, there is plenty of uncharitableness here.

Agreed. Coming from both sides of the Tiber. It has been the culture of the western Church for nearly 500 years, and it must change. Christ’s call is for us to be one.

It’s disrespectful to call our churches “Ecclesiastical Comunities” or saying we believe in a “cesspool of heresies” or that Martin Luther was demon influenced.

I put these into two different categories. “Ecclesial community” is a term from the Catholic Church, so Catholics will use it. The other two are just ugly insults that reflect only on the poster and not the CC. Or at least they shouldn’t reflect on the CC.
That said I am always mindful of the fact that when that little green light comes on beside JonNC, other posters do not know me, other than by what I post. Additionally, they know me by the “Missouri Synod” in my profile, so even if I state that what I say is my own opinion, people will view it as, somehow, related to the position of the LCMS. If I’m uncharitable… Fair or not, the same applies to all communions, including Catholics.

Sure, they have a sincere belief in their church. And so do we. If someone is offended by what we non-Catholics post here, Then why have us post here at all?

It is my belief that we can steadfastly and even stridently state our views here without being offensive.

Jon

 

[JonNC]

Originally Posted by batman1973
You must not really read all the posts on here. Or, maybe not ventured beyond the Non Catholic religion forum. The comments I’ve posted aren’t combative, they’re posted by your fellow Catholics. You yourself seem to get offended easily by the Protestants that post here. If we disagree with your church’s teaching, we are “combative” or “Obnoxious” Not all of us are as well mannered as Jon. He has that unique gift.

It is not a unique gift, but simply a matter of choosing to think before I post.

In my experience on the board, which is far more extensive than yours, (name removed by moderator) has that gift too.

And pushing 20,000 posts, in which he has honed and demonstrated it, to my satisfaction.

Personal, experienced, opinion.

GKC

Anglicanus-Catholicus

I agree. Jharek reflects so very positively the Catholic Church, as you do Anglicanism.
I think it is evidence that, even though we three come from different communions, and have differing views, though frankly I think they are few, we can post those views in charity and love, recognizing the HS in each other.

Jon

 

[BVMFatima]

“Catholic” and “Roman Catholic” usually refer to the same thing - Christians who are in full communion with the Bishop of Rome, who is the Successor of Peter, who was appointed by Jesus Christ to be the Shepherd of the Church (John 21:15-19).

The various letters after people’s names signify religious communities within the Catholic Church, such as Franciscans, Oblates of Mary Immaculate, Jesuits, Benedictines, Opus Dei, Carmelites, Sisters of the Precious Blood, and so on.

Each of these different communities has a different focus, and different work that they do, but they continue to believe and practice the same Catholic faith as everyone else, and all of them are in full communion with the Bishop of Rome, without division.

Actually there are Catholics in communion with the Pope who are not Catholics of the Roman Church They are Eastern Rite Catholics

 

[KathleenGee]

The designation of faith communities without a bishop and without practically all the sacraments by the Roman Catholic Church are designated as ecclesial communities.

If there is reference to my statement on this earlier, it is not said out of any form of condensation.

The Catholic Church is a human institution with its own disciplines and structure, no one owns the Church, it alone belongs to Jesus Christ, our Groom. Issues are studied by a gathering of ecclesiastics to discern whether or not a new teaching that regards Sacred Scripture is in the spirit of the Church.

As in all religious communities identified here, all fruits of the Church must be of the one True Lord, Jesus Christ and His same Spirit that bear us the fruit of truth and communion.

 

[BVMFatima]

You are correct

 

[april32010]

Help me understand, why are some of you guys Catholic, Roman Catholic, Obl. OSB, Catholic from a certain rite, etc? I thought the Catholc Church was one. Are those who identified as Roman Catholic belong to a different church that those who identifed themselves as Catholic?

C.U. ,thanks for posting this question.this has been a very edifying thread.

 

[batman1973]

It is not a unique gift, but simply a matter of choosing to think before I post.

Jon

Well said. I’m going to have to work harder on being more charitable. I’m proud (but not too proud) of my beliefs. I shouldn’t let my zeal get the better of me. There are plenty of charitable Catholics on this board.