Why are some of you Catholic, Roman Catholc, Obl. OSB, etc

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Well said. I’m going to have to work harder on being more charitable. I’m proud (but not too proud:D) of my beliefs. I shouldn’t let my zeal get the better of me. There are plenty of charitable Catholics on this board.
Hey Batman,
I don’t want to sound too pious here. I’ve made plenty of rash posts, thinking with anger instead of charity. :o

Jon
 
Dear brother NovusAugustus,

I just started reading from the beginning of the thread and noticed this statement from you. If it has already been commented on, forgive the repetition.

Actually, Eastern and Western and Oriental Catholics don’t have identical theologies. More accurately, we all share the same DOGMAS, but we don’t all share the same theology - i.e., the way we express the dogmas.

Spend some time in the Eastern Catholicism Forum and you will be more apprised of the differences. Here are just a few examples:

(1) Eastern and Oriental Catholics speak of the Essence and Energy of God to express the dogma on the otherness of God from His creation. Though Latin (i.e. Western) Catholics maintain the dogma, you guys don’t have a theology regarding the Essence and Energy of God.

(2) Latin Catholics express the IC in terms of the Theotokos being preserved from the stain of original sin. But “original sin” has a different meaning for Easterns than for Latins, so while Eastern Catholics adhere to the dogma of the IC, they would not express that dogma in the same theological terms.

(3) Latins like to express the uniqueness of the papacy in terms of “supremacy.” Oriental Catholics generally don’t mind it. But Eastern Catholics normally don’t like the term “supremacy,” for that term has authoritarian connotations for them. They would prefer to use the term “primacy.”

(4) You will find that while the Oriental Tradition with the Latin Tradition have a theology on the Justice of God, the Eastern Tradition generally approaches soteriology in a different way.

The examples could be multiplied. I think brother (name removed by moderator) was very accurate when he stated that all Catholics share the same FAITH.

Blessings,
Marduk
On matters of theology, all “Catholics” are the same–be they Eastern or Western.

Orthodox–be they Russian, Greek, or whatever, are different in that they do not recognize the supremacy of the Pope. They also differ slightly in some matters of doctrine, a product of many long years of separation. But none of the differences are so large as to be unreconcilable.

All other “Christians” have wide theological gulfs separating them with the church and also do not acknoledge the pope as supreme representative of Christians on earth. They forsook the Apostolic succession when they broke with the church. This includes the many “almost Catholic” churches like Old Catholics, High Church Anglicans, etc.
 
Marduk,

I read the Orthodox understanding of Filoque and that from the Latin perspective and found both correct, but from different disciplines.

John Paul II said both need to learn from each other. I think both are stubborn and found from my experience, to stay out of dialogue between the two, finding it a bit too rough for me. But I have spoken to two Orthodox women locally, one a Greek Orthodox, and we all agree with the same perception between the two.

Just like I want us to see the schism healed, and accept each other’s way of seeing things, and from it a restoration of the mystery and full witness of unity for the world, I also pray for the return of the Protestants and their devotion to the Word of God, that is illuminated so well on day to day living. Our priests’ work is mainly to serve at the altar preaching the Word of God and ministering the sacraments.

We need everyone to return to communion and when we do, we will be a witness to the world. As Christ said, He prayed for us to be one so that the world may believe.
 
CU,
In another thread I chastised a Catholic poster for remarks that we uncharitable to your beliefs, even though I more agreed with his view than yours.

I find this remark to be similarly uncharitable, and certainly not in keeping with the sentiments professed by your handle, “Christian unity”.

Catholics make this claim out of a sincere belief that, based on Christ’s declaration to St. Peter, “…on this rock…”. Now, I question the claim based on my belief that The Great Schism and all it entails regarding the division of the patriarchates. That said, I do not think they are pouting like a toddler, but speak instead from said sincere belief.

Jon
And yet you seem to disagree with Luther on what that means exactly. 🤷

Jon
What Jon said.👍👍
 
What Jon said.👍👍
I don’t think Luther is very authorative on this Catholic Forum site. I’m not Lutheran and have not personally read much of Luther. I’ve read quite a bit of other Reformed material including the Institutes of Christian Religion by Calvin. So, I will let Luther’s view go on this thread because it has very little weight for both Catholics and me.
 
I don’t think Luther is very authorative on this Catholic Forum site. I’m not Lutheran and have not personally read much of Luther. I’ve read quite a bit of other Reformed material including the Institutes of Christian Religion by Calvin. So, I will let Luther’s view go on this thread because it has very little weight for both Catholics and me.
Thanks for doing so. 😉

I’ve tried a couple of times to get you to list in your profile what communion you are a part of . Short of that, this certainly reveals it. That’s not a bad thing, as it helps all of us to know your point of reference, and makes dialogue easier.

Jon
 
I don’t think Luther is very authorative on this Catholic Forum site. I’m not Lutheran and have not personally read much of Luther. I’ve read quite a bit of other Reformed material including the Institutes of Christian Religion by Calvin. So, I will let Luther’s view go on this thread because it has very little weight for both Catholics and me.
So you are Presbyterian?
 
Marduk,

Just like I want us to see the schism healed, and accept each other’s way of seeing things, and from it a restoration of the mystery and full witness of unity for the world, I also pray for the return of the Protestants and their devotion to the Word of God, that is illuminated so well on day to day living. Our priests’ work is mainly to serve at the altar preaching the Word of God and ministering the sacraments.

We need everyone to return to communion and when we do, we will be a witness to the world. As Christ said, He prayed for us to be one so that the world may believe.
Amen!!
 
So you are Presbyterian?
I am Christian who is catholic. I’m not really Protestant since I do not protest against the Catholic way of salvation through the sacraments. Over the years, I have been through quite a few Protestant churches and the non-denominational ones too. I stay within the lines of orthodoxy defined within the historical ecumencial creeds. I’m okay with infant baptism and believer’s baptism, and believe the sacraments are a means of grace. Can God regenerate sinners through the sacraments… sure.
 
I am Christian who is catholic. I’m not really Protestant since I do not protest against the Catholic way of salvation through the sacraments. Over the years, I have been through quite a few Protestant churches and the non-denominational ones too. I stay within the lines of orthodoxy defined within the historical ecumencial creeds. I’m okay with infant baptism and believer’s baptism, and believe the sacraments are a means of grace. Can God regenerate sinners through the sacraments… sure.
Within which tradition do you regularly attend church?

Jon
 
I think there is alot of scrupulosity in Protestant congregations that have this ongoing dual towards Catholicism…got to shake the dust!!!

We are approaching Advent and the new year in Christ…a blessed thing to center our life in the Lord with others.
 
Thanks for asking the question Jon. 🙂
Why so shy? After all, if you persuade people that Catholicism is a false religion, surely you will want to lead them to the true religion? What church do you go to, so that we can know where to find the true religion, if the Catholic Church is false?

🙂
 
Why so shy? After all, if you persuade people that Catholicism is a false religion, surely you will want to lead them to the true religion? What church do you go to, so that we can know where to find the true religion, if the Catholic Church is false?

🙂
He already said he wasn’t Lutheran. 😃

Seriously, I’ve tried to draw CU out of his shell. 🙂 We’ll just have to assume from facts in evidence.

Jon
 
Why so shy? After all, if you persuade people that Catholicism is a false religion, surely you will want to lead them to the true religion? What church do you go to, so that we can know where to find the true religion, if the Catholic Church is false?

🙂
I do not believe the Catholic Faith is a false religion. It is quite a beautiful expression of the Christian Faith. I think some of my Catholic friends that I have known since elementary school represent Christianity in such a Christ-like way in comparison to conservative Protestant Evangelicals that I’ve known for a long time too. BTW, I’m 51 years old, so I’ve known some of these Catholic brothers and sisters for a very long time. I have two very good college friends who are now Catholic Priests. One of them was my college roommate, and found out through Facebook of his change of life and calling. He was quite the successful businessman who enjoyed the ladies, yet went to Mass on a regular basis even in college. I used to attend Mass with him in college. The true religion is found in Christ. So, if a particular denomination or branch is preaching Christ and Him crucified, then they are in the true religion.
 
I do not believe the Catholic Faith is a false religion. It is quite a beautiful expression of the Christian Faith. I think some of my Catholic friends that I have known since elementary school represent Christianity in such a Christ-like way in comparison to conservative Protestant Evangelicals that I’ve known for a long time too. BTW, I’m 51 years old, so I’ve known some of these Catholic brothers and sisters for a very long time. I have two very good college friends who are now Catholic Priests. One of them was my college roommate, and found out through Facebook of his change of life and calling. He was quite the successful businessman who enjoyed the ladies, yet went to Mass on a regular basis even in college. I used to attend Mass with him in college. The true religion is found in Christ. So, if a particular denomination or branch is preaching Christ and Him crucified, then they are in the true religion.
You sound sort of a lapsed Lutheran.
 
You sound sort of a lapsed Lutheran.
Sorry, never been to a Lutheran service. It seems if someone is Lutheran, you might as well be Catholic. Please don’t take that negatively. Lutheranism is so much closer to the Catholic Faith than mainstream Evangelicalism. I do like the Catholic Lutheran Joint Declaration on justification.
 
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