Why are some people so adamant that God does exist?

[Jcnava15]

There are many people who have claimed to have risen from the dead. Jesus certainly wasn’t the first (that is, if it really even happened). This is common knowledge but you refuse to acknowledge it. For example, there are strong parallels between the mythical character of Osiris and that of Jesus (Osiris rose from the dead). This has troubled Christian theologians since C.S. Lewis and is a spectre that lingers over them till this day.

I do not refuse to acknowledge, in fact I have looked a good deal into the Jesus myth hypothesis because I used to believe it. And you are wrong.

For example the Osiris myth was stolen from Buddhism. Osiris was sealed in a coffin and then floated through a river until a huge powerful tree grew where he landed. After that he was killed and ripped into 14 pieces. Afterwards Isis put him back together and he went to the underworld.

As we all know Buddha sitting under the great bodhi tree after floating through what he called the River of life (which is why rivers have a very spiritual meaning for buddhists), was a very important aspect to Buddhism. In fact that tree is a very revered to this day.

The fact that he was cut into 14 pieces is also very important, in the oriental culture where Buddhism developed the number 14 has a very important meaning. 14 is the symbol of death, but it is also the number of commandments that Buddha had to live life by.

And of course later after the death, Osiris was reincarnated by the breath of Isis. And isn’t funny that it is Isis who promised enlightenment to those who overcame the fear of death?

Now you see what happened here? This is why I simply don’t buy into the Jesus myth hypothesis anymore. The proponents of these things take Christian language, and apply it to the stories of the mystery religions in order to make the case. If you say Osiris was brought back to life by Isis, no similarities. If you say Osiris was resurrected after he died, suddenly “Conspiracy!”.

These people create their conclusion and then find evidence to fit their narrative.

In fact this whole Buddhism/Osiris plot is one I just pieced together now, but the similarities are true.

This is not troubling in the least, simply because it’s false. In fact St. Justin Martyr, when trying to convert the pagans was trying to persuade them that the similarities were there, to little avail.

You can claim it’s “fallacy of false association”, but it clearly isn’t.

What Asimon was doing clearly did commit the fallacy of false association.

You just don’t want to accept evidence contrary to your own.

I don’t know why you presume to know so much about me.

Most** unbiased biblical scholars** now unanimously agree that many aspects of the narrative of Jesus’ life was borrowed from earlier myths and legends to create what is known as “pious fiction”.

Well if by “unbiased” you mean those that agree with your point, then I would say 100% of unbiased biblical scholars agree with your premise.

You are being far too generous for your case. The case simply isn’t there.

 

[Charlemagne_II]

ASimon

**If you don’t believe such people exist, and can’t figure out how Google works, there’s very little I can do for you. **

Making a generalization without being able to give a single instance is hardly worth the effort of making the statement, never mind a sign of barren logic.

 

[uni_embrace]

I was an ardent atheist up until about ten months ago and am familair with many of the “new atheists” I won’t go into the reasons for my change but as each day passes one thing convinces me more and more RE the existence of God (Creator): namely a lie/conspriacy/fabrication would be almost impossible to manage for thousands of years. especially those who claim Jesus never existed and that there was no such thing as a resurrection. How could these things be based on lies for so long?

 

[Charlemagne_II]

Originally Posted by Bohm Bawerk View Post
There are many people who have claimed to have risen from the dead. Jesus certainly wasn’t the first (that is, if it really even happened). This is common knowledge but you refuse to acknowledge it. For example, there are strong parallels between the mythical character of Osiris and that of Jesus (Osiris rose from the dead). This has troubled Christian theologians since C.S. Lewis and is a spectre that lingers over them till this day.

Osiris was a living person like Jesus? When and where is this documented? What did he teach? Who were his disciples?

You can claim it’s “fallacy of false association”, but it clearly isn’t. You just don’t want to accept evidence contrary to your own. Most unbiased biblical scholars now unanimously agree that many aspects of the narrative of Jesus’ life was borrowed from earlier myths and legends to create what is known as “pious fiction”.

“Most unbiased biblical scholars” is a euphemism for atheists and agnostics.

Of course, in your mind all Catholic scholars would have to be biased, just as all atheist scholars would have to be objective. Right?

 

[tonyrey]

What evidence would support a claim of a lack of evidence

just kidding, but I couldn’t resist!

The evidence for a claim that there is a lack of evidence is the claim that there is a lack of evidence with a lack of evidence to support the claim that there is a lack of evidence for whatever is being asserted! I couldn’t resist either…

 

[tonyrey]

I was an ardent atheist up until about ten months ago and am familair with many of the “new atheists” I won’t go into the reasons for my change but as each day passes one thing convinces me more and more RE the existence of God (Creator): namely a lie/conspriacy/fabrication would be almost impossible to manage for thousands of years. especially those who claim Jesus never existed and that there was no such thing as a resurrection. How could these things be based on lies for so long?

Time is one of the greatest tests of the truth. It can survive every imaginable onslaught…

 

[tonyrey]

The whole concept of Hell is a great way to manipulate the masses. Do what we tell you to do or you will suffer the worst possible punishment imaginable until eternity.

The rejection of the concept of Hell is the most powerful way to manipulate the masses. You become fully entitled to do exactly what you like, indulge every caprice imaginable, spend and waste as much as you like, become a pedophile, sadist, rapist or serial killer and eat, drink and be merry at others’ expense to your heart’s content because you have absolutely nothing to fear when you’re dead, justice is a man-made invention you can safely ignore until your very last breath - provided you are careful enough to get away with it, of course, but that’s not too difficult if you use your wits and rely on the naive belief in goodness and moral integrity of those who don’t realise we exist for no reason or purpose whatsoever!

 

[tonyrey]

No evidence.

Still unsupported assertion! :)

 

[tonyrey]

Most unbiased biblical scholars now unanimously agree that many aspects of the narrative of Jesus’ life was borrowed from earlier myths and legends to create what is known as “pious fiction”.

Not surprising when we remember that some Biblical scholars have a vested interest in demonstrating that the Bible is made up of earlier myths and legends to create what is known as “pious fiction”.

 

[tonyrey]

And yes, I’ve heard the oft-cited trope that God doesn’t send people to hell, that they send themselves there. As a punchline, it’s moderately amusing.

It’s highly amusing to know some people succeed in believing that no one sends anyone anywhere - not even themselves - and that we are dangling in time and space just for the hell of it!

 

[ASimon]

I was an ardent atheist up until about ten months ago and am familair with many of the “new atheists” I won’t go into the reasons for my change but as each day passes one thing convinces me more and more RE the existence of God (Creator): namely a lie/conspriacy/fabrication would be almost impossible to manage for thousands of years. especially those who claim Jesus never existed and that there was no such thing as a resurrection. How could these things be based on lies for so long?

It’s amazing what you can get people to believe in this world, so long as you dangle the carrot that believing in it will allow them to survive death.

 

[tonyrey]

It’s amazing what you can get people to believe in this world, so long as you dangle the carrot that believing in it will allow them to survive death.

It’s amazing what you can get people to do in this world, so long as you dangle the carrot that not believing in it will allow them not to survive death!

 

[ASimon]

It’s amazing what you can get people to do in this world, so long as you dangle the carrot that not believing in it will allow them not to survive death!

This is not a coherent sentence. Please try again.

 

[tonyrey]

This is not a coherent sentence. Please try again.

Then the incoherence stems from your assertion on which it was based…

 

[ASimon]

Then the incoherence stems from your assertion on which it was based…

No. Still incoherent. Try again.

 

[karebear92]

No. Still incoherent. Try again.

You knew what he meant. It is amazing what you can get people to do in this world, so long as they don’t fear consequences after death.

He played on your words and said not survive death, but I am pretty sure you knew what he meant.

 

[ASimon]

You knew what he meant. It is amazing what you can get people to do in this world, so long as they don’t fear consequences after death.

He played on your words and said not survive death, but I am pretty sure you knew what he meant.

See, YOU made it coherent. He tried to get cute with what I wrote, and bumbled the whole thing.

 

[tonyrey]

No. Still incoherent. Try again.

I’m afraid you don’t want to face the fact of the advantages of believing there is no life after death. At least others have understood my point… and that is all that matters.

 

[ASimon]

I’m afraid you don’t want to face the fact of the advantages of believing there is no life after death. At least others have understood my point… and that is all that matters.

Not at all. I understood what you were probably trying to say. I’m just saying that in your effort to be clever, you screwed it up. No shame in that - and you had karebear to sail in and clean it up.

In any case, you’re quite right. I much prefer to not live in fear and shame of whether any act or statement of mine would fall afoul of the Almighty. I’m not sure how advantageous it is, though - afterall, what atrocity would not be committed by someone who thought they had God on their side?

 

[Charlemagne_II]

ASimon

**what atrocity would not be committed by someone who thought they had God on their side? **

Fortunately, as a rule God-fearing Christians don’t have to worry about atrocious acts in the name of Christ.

This does not apply to atheists, since they think they do not have to worry about their atrocities being condemned by Christ.