why are some rejecting the cup

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tcraig said:
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And not to be too “gross” but there were many times when I went to receive that there was a lot of Host backwash from others who had received before me. Yes, I know it’s really and truly Jesus and I would consume it if I had to, but it still has the appearance of others’ backwashed wafer in wine. :eek:
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Most of the time the piece of host floating in the cup was put there by the priest from the commingling rite.
 
pyropam said:
You all have given some good reasons for not partaking of the wine. I would like to add to your list…
  1. Sickness ( to prevent the spread of germs to others) However,
    our priest said he has never had an outbreak of colds after a mass.
  2. Alcoholism (they should not ever receive )
  3. Allergies (many people are allergic)
  4. **Medication ( many people can not have any alcoholic bevereges due to medications they are taking)
  5. Dislike (many people can’t stand the stuff).**
    We have even had people who were allergic to the host, when this is known in advance, **a special host can be brought in for them.**God Bless You!
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What kind of Host?
 
Starbuck1 said:
It came to my attention during the Mass tonight that some members are taking the bread but not the wine. They just walk past the person holding the cup of wine and smile at them. Why would they refuse the wine?
Ken
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well, i for one don’t take the wine. i believe in the Real Presence. Jesus’s body and blood, soul and divinity is in the Eucharist. not separated.
 
THurifer2 said:
Most of the time the piece of host floating in the cup was put there by the priest from the commingling rite.
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As a mother, I can recognize chewed-up backwash. Really. Especially since I generally noticed it after receiving after children. 🙂
 
Interesting conversation going on here. My daughter has some serious eye trouble and so we always sit in the front pew. At most only a couple of people have partaken of the chalice prior to me. 😉

I wondered this though (as someone that has newly returned to the church). Would we really get sick from it? I mean it’s Jesus, not just a cup of wine, right? :hmmm:

CC
 
The last thing I need is to be pulled over during a routine traffic stop and have the police officer smell alcohol on my breath.
 
ReConvert said:
I wondered this though (as someone that has newly returned to the church). Would we really get sick from it? I mean it’s Jesus, not just a cup of wine, right? :hmmm:

CC
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I’ve thought this same way myself, since it is no longer bread and wine, it is Jesus’ Flesh & Precious Blood.

I always receive both species. The way I see it, the Lord is offering Himself twice to me - who am I to refuse Him? 🙂
 
ReConvert said:
Interesting conversation going on here. My daughter has some serious eye trouble and so we always sit in the front pew. At most only a couple of people have partaken of the chalice prior to me. 😉

I wondered this though (as someone that has newly returned to the church). Would we really get sick from it? I mean it’s Jesus, not just a cup of wine, right? :hmmm:

CC
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It’s not the Precious Blood which makes one sick-- it would be the bacteria or viruses of the people who have drunk before you, and which may still be left on the chalice.
 
Another explanation for people receiving only under the form of bread has to do with the inappropriate expansion of the availability of Communion under both forms. When the privilege was authorized, the permitting documents made it fairly clear that this was an option that was available under certain circumstances. For example:

**Redemptionis Sacramentum (100)
“So that the fullness of the sign may be made more clearly evident to the faithful in the course of the Eucharistic banquet, lay members of Christ’s faithful, too, are admitted to Communion under both kinds, in the cases set forth in the liturgical books, preceded and continually accompanied by proper catechesis regarding the dogmatic principles on this matter laid down by the Ecumenical Council of Trent.” (emphasis added)

Contrary to such guidance, the practice has now been expanded in many places to make it the rule rather than the exception. (The reasons given for the unwarranted expansion of the practice are likely numerous and would properly be the topic of another thread.)

Given the above, some people will receive only the Sacred Host because (in addition to their belief in the complete Real Presence under each form, which has been well stated already in this thread) they understand that such is the expressed desire of Holy Mother Church. While desiring (and praying) that their particular parishes might begin or return to extending the privilege correctly, they may simply have resolved not to be a part of the incorrect practice.

On a related note, there has been a recognition in some quarters of the need to bring liturgical practice into line with the thinking of the Church. In the Archdiocese of Saint Louis, for example, the Archbishop has for some months made it a practice to offer Communion only under the form of bread at his weekly Cathedral Mass. It appears to be his way of leading by example.
 
I receive Jesus under both Species. I’ve always thought (maybe I might have read it here?) that the wine has to have a certain alcohol content to kill any germs. Is this correct?
 
Starbuck1 said:
It came to my attention during the Mass tonight that some members are taking the bread but not the wine. They just walk past the person holding the cup of wine and smile at them. Why would they refuse the wine?
Ken
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In a way it’s symbolic of modern times. People want communion with Christ but don’t feel obliged to partake of the blood of Christ which washes away sins. They are not really aware of their sinfulness and don’t feel they need to be forgiven.
 
🙂 When I first started to recieve I did both I would recommend that for everyone. But our wines are not sweet for some reason and I rather like a sweeter wine. But I would know that I can and should honor the Lord and am greatful. I think I should more myself so many don’t at our church and I think they are afraid of germs.

By the way our priest is one who got real sick last month not us, bless him I think he had pneumonia, did he take it all for us what a sacrifice he is, none of us got it and he is an angel.🙂
D.
 
pyropam said:
You all have given some good reasons for not partaking of the wine. I would like to add to your list…
  1. Sickness ( to prevent the spread of germs to others) However,
    our priest said he has never had an outbreak of colds after a mass.
  2. Alcoholism (they should not ever receive )
  3. Allergies (many people are allergic)
  4. **Medication ( many people can not have any alcoholic bevereges due to medications they are taking)
  5. Dislike (many people can’t stand the stuff).**
    We have even had people who were allergic to the host, when this is known in advance, a special host can be brought in for them.
God Bless You!
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I’m not sure that I can agree with all of these reasonings. At the inception of the Lord’s Supper He gave His church 2 elements - the bread and wine. I understand that His whole body is present in the bread, but to reject the wine is to reject a portion of the symbolism that he provided for us at the Last Supper.

Jesus didn’t tell his disciples to take the cup unless they suspect that someone may have a cold or other sickness. The fact that there is alcohol in the cup would prevent the spread of many if not all of the germs.

Are alcoholics forbidden to take the cup? I’ve worked with alcoholics for 10 years and have never heard of such a thing? They are able to distinguish that the cup is a sacred thing and they would rarely be triggered. I will admit that taking the cup may not be the best idea in very early recovery.

Yes, there are people who are allergic to alcohol, but it would be a rare thing for that allergy to be triggered by just a sip of the cup. If someone is truly allergic to a tiny bit of alcohol then other provisions can be made.

Yes, there are some medications that are not to used with alcohol, but in reality most of these medication will still be very effective if you only take a sip from the cup. Now if you drink the whole cup then it may very well nuetralize the effects of the meds.

My wife doesn’t like red wine (or alcohol for that matter, unless it is a sweet mixed drink), but she would tolerate a sip of the cup if was done for the Lord. I don’t find the wafer very tastey either, but I eat it. My wife is easily choked on dry food and has choked on the wafer (host), but it hasn’t stopped her from continuing to take the elements.

I’m not trying to offend anyone, but it seems that some of these excuses are a little lame.

Ken
 
Growing up my family didn’t. My parents are germ phobic when it comes to things like that. I remember my dad flipping out when I sipped a drink that belonged to my friend. The idea of drinking after all those peoples mouths were on the same cup would be completely out of the question.

My church does it by intinction (the priests doing this obviously, not to communicant) so everyone gets both. I think because I was raised not taking the cup I never became comfortable with it.

It isn’t a rejection anyway. Both species are fully Jesus.
 
I have two main reasons for not receiving Communion under the species of wine. In the first place, I have a practical issue with it. It is not, in my estimation, a good idea to offer Communion under the species of wine due to the greater ease by which the Sacrament could be profaned (spillage, etc.). Furthermore, Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion are typically charged with distributing the Sacrament under this species, and I do not support the practice of using Extraordinary Ministers with the all-too-ordinary frequency that they are employed nowadays. If it were absolutely necessary to have them, per the Code of Canon Law (Canons 910 in conjunction with 230), then I have no problem with them. However, the CIC makes it clear that they are only to be employed in very limited circumstances.

My other reason–and my chief concern–for not receiving under both forms is a theological issue. Years ago, laymen were forbidden the cup in order to more greatly underline the fact that Christ is present Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity under either form alone. There are a great many people nowadays who do not believe this; some think that you must receive both–and some, sadly, do not even believe in the Real Presence (the latter is a whole other matter though). In order to make that doctrine abundantly clear, it would seem like a good idea to me to return to the practice of only receiving under one form.

-ACEGC
 
Starbuck1 said:
It came to my attention during the Mass tonight that some members are taking the bread but not the wine. They just walk past the person holding the cup of wine and smile at them. Why would they refuse the wine?
Ken
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Because I have bronchitis and I don’t want to infect my fellow parishoners with my germs when I’m sick.
 
ukdal1 said:
…Not trying to be mean, but that’s not very nice:( They were just wondering…maybe they are a new Catholic like me and didn’t understand. I had the same questions not that long ago…🙂 God bless
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I agree. The OP is a Protestant, so doesn’t know. When I started attending Mass. I thought it was so odd that people passed the cup too and asked the same question. 🙂
 
anthony022071 said:
In a way it’s symbolic of modern times. People want communion with Christ but don’t feel obliged to partake of the blood of Christ which washes away sins. They are not really aware of their sinfulness and don’t feel they need to be forgiven.
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your opinion is completly wrong.

just wanted to add that.
 
Some people do not receive the Precious Blood because of medical issues. Yes, it is the Precious Blood of Jesus, but it still has the properties of wine.

The same with the Sacred Host. It is the Body of Christ, but still has the material properties of bread, thus some people who have Celiacs Disease can not receive it.
 
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