Why are some verses not included in the modern translations bible?

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Read more about the missing verses in the modern translations of the bible and which these verses are here:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bible_verses_not_included_in_modern_translations

How can you not include a verse in a new translation when you are translating the word of God?
Because those verses have been judged according to the best criteria to not have been part of the original manuscripts and were likely glosses or copyist errors at a later date. They were not included in modern editions because they are NOT the Word of God in those particular places.

And before anyone complains that they were removed to deny this or that doctrine, note that in many places where they ARE judged to be in the best manuscripts, they were indeed included cf. Matthew 17:21 and Mark 9:29.
 
That’s exactly right Porthos.

A good example is the doxology that n-Cs have made part of the Our Father, when in fact the KJV includes the copyists error where there should have been a footnote about it only being found in The Didache, which, though from the same time as the rest of the New Testament was not considered inspired and canonized.

As a result, the majority of n-Cs make it part of the prayer even though it’s not in the original manuscripts of Matthew 6:9-13. We Catholics include it in the Mass, but not as part of the Our Father because it does connect to the early church tradition.

The CA staff apologists answer all this in the following links
 
The fact that textual variants exist tells you something about the Christian attitude to the biblical text. We aren’t like Muslims who think that the text should be preserved 100% accurately down to the last letter, that divine inspiration stands or falls depending on how the text is transmitted. 😛
 
Another well-known example is the famous Comma Johanneum (1 John 5:7) where the three heavenly witnesses are the “Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one.” This verse is not in the earliest Greek manuscripts (in fact, not before the 1500’s if I remember right). So while it’s a great “proof-text” for the Trinity, if it wasn’t originally part of 1 John, then it has no business being there in translations.
 
There are so many factors and possibilities of how certain omissions and additions have appeared, which makes me glad that we have Catholic versions and translations that have been approved by authority, and we are not at the mercy of our own conclusion or that of “scholars”.

One possiblity that I believe is likely is that the original authors wrote more than just one copy of their account, which means that some of the omissions and additions come from the original author while he would interpolate as he went. That would also make sense in those cases in the Greek where different words that are synonomus are found in various manuscripts of the same verses. I also believe that some of the authors wrote their accounts in more than one language, such as Greek, Aramaic, Latin (since we know that Latin was used on the Cross), and sometimes Hebrew.

I believe that the biggest thing that we can blame copyists for is errors in spelling, not omissions and additions, except for heretics who intentionally tried to deceive.
 
So how can we know that the bible today is correctly written? And which bible translation is correct if the King James Version obviously has some verses added into it? Is any bible today 100%right? What if the original bible was almost completely different than today’s? What if the church added some new verses through the ages and the bible is completely different?
 
There are so many factors and possibilities of how certain omissions and additions have appeared, which makes me glad that we have Catholic versions and translations that have been approved by authority, and we are not at the mercy of our own conclusion or that of “scholars”.

One possiblity that I believe is likely is that the original authors wrote more than just one copy of their account, which means that some of the omissions and additions come from the original author while he would interpolate as he went. That would also make sense in those cases in the Greek where different words that are synonomus are found in various manuscripts of the same verses. I also believe that some of the authors wrote their accounts in more than one language, such as Greek, Aramaic, Latin (since we know that Latin was used on the Cross), and sometimes Hebrew.

I believe that the biggest thing that we can blame copyists for is errors in spelling, not omissions and additions, except for heretics who intentionally tried to deceive.
That may explain some stuff such as the reason why there is a longer and a shorter version of Acts, but I think that saying that “the biggest thing that we can blame copyists for is errors in spelling” is an oversimplification.
 
So how can we know that the bible today is correctly written? And which bible translation is correct if the King James Version obviously has some verses added into it? Is any bible today 100%right? What if the original bible was almost completely different than today’s? What if the church added some new verses through the ages and the bible is completely different?
We can trust that the Bible is correctly written and translated because it does not give itself authority; it is the Church that has identified the correct text as inspired and continues to stand behind it.

On the other hand, instead of a few, or even a few dozen manuscripts, we have literally thousands of manuscripts of the Bible, in part or whole. And, in large part, among many spelling errors, “typos,” and different order of words, there are only a few differences among manuscripts that make any real difference. Some of the early manuscripts, from within 50 or so years of the writing of the texts, confirm that, in those verses we have at least, the text is likely accurate. We also, within the last 70 or so years, have gotten new and much earlier copies of Old Testament texts from the Dead Sea scrolls, which also help show how accurate the texts we have are.

In short, there is little historic evidence that, at least after the first authors and early editors (which we can detect in the Gospels according to Mark and John and some of the Pauline letters), there was very little changing of the texts, even inadvertently.
 
The Council of Trent infallibly taught that the Canon of Scripture includes all the books of the Bible and all their parts, as found in the Latin Vulgate.

After naming the 72 books of the Catholic Bible (Lamentations being grouped with the book of Jeremiah), the Council taught:

“But if any one receive not, as sacred and canonical, the said books entire with all their parts, as they have been used to be read in the Catholic Church, and as they are contained in the old Latin Vulgate edition; and knowingly and deliberately contemn the traditions aforesaid; let him be anathema.”

So the opinions of scholars should not be what determines whether a verse or part of a verse is canonical. But many modern editions follow the work of a group of mostly Protestant biblical scholars from the United Bible Societies (UBS). They deleted many words, phrases, and some whole verses from their critical edition of the Bible. And many modern Catholic editions followed their lead. This is despite the fact that these words, phrases, and verses are found in the Latin Vulgate and in the Majority Text and in the Textus Receptus.

This is a serious problem in modern Biblical scholarship.
 
The Council of Trent infallibly taught that the Canon of Scripture includes all the books of the Bible and all their parts, as found in the Latin Vulgate.

After naming the 72 books of the Catholic Bible (Lamentations being grouped with the book of Jeremiah), the Council taught:

“But if any one receive not, as sacred and canonical, the said books entire with all their parts, as they have been used to be read in the Catholic Church, and as they are contained in the old Latin Vulgate edition; and knowingly and deliberately contemn the traditions aforesaid; let him be anathema.”

So the opinions of scholars should not be what determines whether a verse or part of a verse is canonical. But many modern editions follow the work of a group of mostly Protestant biblical scholars from the United Bible Societies (UBS). They deleted many words, phrases, and some whole verses from their critical edition of the Bible. And many modern Catholic editions followed their lead. This is despite the fact that these words, phrases, and verses are found in the Latin Vulgate and in the Majority Text and in the Textus Receptus.

This is a serious problem in modern Biblical scholarship.
So glad to see that you have contributed to this thread!
 
We can trust that the Bible is correctly written and translated because it does not give itself authority; it is the Church that has identified the correct text as inspired and continues to stand behind it.
So which is the “correct text,” according to the Catholic Church?
 
The juridicial text of the Western Rite of the Catholic Church is the Nova Vulgata.

The Council of Trent said that the Latin Vulgate could be used in ALL DISPUTATIONS.

The problem with modern biblical scholarship is that they go with the premise of “If in doubt–cut it out”.

Are there glosses that should be cut out? Yes.

Have modern translations cut out too much? Yes.

Should the story of the woman caught in adultery be in the text? Yes! The “modern biblical scholars” are wrong!
 
The juridicial text of the Western Rite of the Catholic Church is the Nova Vulgata.

The Council of Trent said that the Latin Vulgate could be used in ALL DISPUTATIONS.

The problem with modern biblical scholarship is that they go with the premise of “If in doubt–cut it out”.

Are there glosses that should be cut out? Yes.

Have modern translations cut out too much? Yes.

Should the story of the woman caught in adultery be in the text? Yes! The “modern biblical scholars” are wrong!
So it’s the Nova Vulgata that’s inspired? Or are other texts inspired as well? And which version of the Nova Vulgata? Aren’t there revisions?
 
The Council of Trent infallibly taught that the Canon of Scripture includes all the books of the Bible and all their parts, as found in the Latin Vulgate.

After naming the 72 books of the Catholic Bible (Lamentations being grouped with the book of Jeremiah), the Council taught:

“But if any one receive not, as sacred and canonical, the said books entire with all their parts, as they have been used to be read in the Catholic Church, and as they are contained in the old Latin Vulgate edition; and knowingly and deliberately contemn the traditions aforesaid; let him be anathema.”

So the opinions of scholars should not be what determines whether a verse or part of a verse is canonical. But many modern editions follow the work of a group of mostly Protestant biblical scholars from the United Bible Societies (UBS). They deleted many words, phrases, and some whole verses from their critical edition of the Bible. And many modern Catholic editions followed their lead. This is despite the fact that these words, phrases, and verses are found in the Latin Vulgate and in the Majority Text and in the Textus Receptus.

This is a serious problem in modern Biblical scholarship.
Unfortunately “all their parts” does not say anything about the disputed verses. So where do we stop? Ultimately it’s up to the Holy See to judge on this, and they have by promulgating the Sixto-Clementine Vulgate as the official Bible of the Church, followed then by the New Vulgate. (I sincerely hope you will not argue that the New Vulgate is in contradiction with Trent.)
So it’s the Nova Vulgata that’s inspired? Or are other texts inspired as well? And which version of the Nova Vulgata? Aren’t there revisions?
The original texts were inspired, which don’t exist anymore. We take it on the authority and pastorship of the Church that the New Vulgate is worthy of being called the official Bible of the Church. “Lex orandi, lex credendi” – in other words, since the Church says that the Vulgate is spiritually and morally flawless, and also an accurate transmission of the original texts, we must trust Her that this is the case.
 
Unfortunately “all their parts” does not say anything about the disputed verses. So where do we stop? Ultimately it’s up to the Holy See to judge on this, and they have by promulgating the Sixto-Clementine Vulgate as the official Bible of the Church, followed then by the New Vulgate. (I sincerely hope you will not argue that the New Vulgate is in contradiction with Trent.)
The teaching of Trent is infallible: “all their parts” as found in the old Latin Vulgate. The prudential judgment of the Holy See is not infallible, and cannot nullify a past infallible teaching. The approval of an edition of Scripture does not imply approval for every translation and editorial decision. Otherwise, how would you explain that multiple versions with approval disagree on which verses to include? Or do you think that, for hundreds of years, the Church relied on verses of Scripture that were not really inspired – since modern scholars have decided to omit them? The disputation of scholars cannot overrule the infallible teaching of a Council.

Where does the rejection of words, phrases and whole verses, based on scholarly considerations stop? It will lead eventually to the scholarly rejection of large passages, whole books, and eventually the whole Bible.
 
The teaching of Trent is infallible: “all their parts” as found in the old Latin Vulgate.
And which one would that be? Because after Trent was the Clementine Vulgate promulgated (1592), it didn’t exist before then.

(You know, I hear frequently from sedevacantists that the current Catholic Church is an apostate lie, but I don’t often hear the same claim made of the Church three decades after Trent.)
Where does the rejection of words, phrases and whole verses, based on scholarly considerations stop? It will lead eventually to the scholarly rejection of large passages, whole books, and eventually the whole Bible.
It’s already happened in the secular world. Fortunately, we Catholics benefit from an infallible Holy Mother Church, which has proclaimed the Clementine Vulgate, and then the New Vulgate, to be spiritually flawless.
 
And which one would that be? Because after Trent was the Clementine Vulgate promulgated (1592), it didn’t exist before then.

It’s already happened in the secular world. Fortunately, we Catholics benefit from an infallible Holy Mother Church, which has proclaimed the Clementine Vulgate, and then the New Vulgate, to be spiritually flawless.
The Council was referring to the Latin “Vulgate”, meaning the text commonly used in the Church for the Mass and other liturgical services – and of course the same text was often used in magisterial documents. So essentially, it is the Latin scriptural tradition, as it has been in use by the Church for centuries before Trent (and not any particular edition). Therefore, to judge if a verse or portion of a verse is part of the Canon, the basis should be whether it is found in the Latin scriptural tradition.

The Church teaches that the Magisterium is only infallible when certain conditions are met, the conditions for papal infallibility (taught by Vatican I and Vatican II), the conditions for the ordinary and universal Magisterium taught by Vatican II, and the solemn definitions of a Council. Other magisterial teachings are non-infallible and non-irreformable.

Also, judgments of the prudential order, by the temporal authority of the Church, are fallible. The approval of a Bible translation is not an infallible dogma, but a judgment of the prudential order.

The Church has never proclaimed the Nova Vulgata to be “spiritually flawless”.
 
I am afraid you are in error; it wasn’t until after Trent that the notion of an editio typica came into being. There were dozens of tiny variations (local additions/subtractions and textual corruptions) between Bibles, Breviaries, and Missals, which was solved by the Council of Trent itself by deferring to the Roman Curia to create an editio typica which would be duplicated via printing press. The Latin text that was used to celebrate Mass at Trent and elsewhere was never an official edition of anything, except maybe for the city of Rome proper. The Sixtine Vulgate was the first edition that was; yet that was extremely rife with errors itself, which is why Pope Clement then authorized a revision only a few years later (the Sixto-Clementine edition, which is the one that was used right up until the Nova Vulgata was promulgated).

Furthermore, considering how explicit the decrees of Trent were for the most part, don’t you find your interpretation of “all their parts” to be suspiciously vague? You are telling me then I am using a faulty Bible unless I am using the exact same one that was used at the Council of Trent, despite that never having been promulgated as an official anything of whatever – not only does that mean pretty much every human being on earth save for a handful of ecclesiastical historians will never read or hear a word of the “true” Bible in their lives, but you’re also saying that everything about what constitutes the “correct” Bible was completely implicit in the Tridentine documents. You don’t find this suspicious one bit? The documents that meticulously proclaimed anathamas upon tax percentages of cathedrals and other such relatively unimportant matters is curiously silent about the disputed Bible verses, yet you are telling me that we are to find it implicit, and that these unspoken words are infallible, no less. And that the infallible Catholic Church also within three decades of making an infallible document instantly contradicted it by issuing different editions of the Vulgate. I am afraid that all of this is a bit hard to swallow, and that the simpler explanation is just that “and all their parts” did not happen to contain an implicit infallible canon of verses.

Tell me: why do you not defer to the authority of the Supreme Pontiff in promulgating the Nova Vulgata as the official Bible of the Church? Why did the Second Vatican Council authorize a revision of the Vulgate if there already existed an infallible Tridentine edition somewhere in the Vatican archives that maybe a handful of people had seen?
Therefore, to judge if a verse or portion of a verse is part of the Canon, the basis should be whether it is found in the Latin scriptural tradition.
The “Latin scriptural tradition” is not consistent in any way. The Comma Johanneum was cited authoritatively by some Church Fathers and completely omitted by others. Scholarly speaking, it probably was an addition that came after the 4th century, else we would have a myriad of responses to the Arians that would have cited 1 John 5:7 as proof of the Trinity, though none appear to.
 
Is there any gospel or epistle that was preserved(i mean the original text, written by the original author)?
 
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