Why are the New Age movement and other exotic ideas so attractive?

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Sufjon said:
The original “you” doesn’t disappear. The passing thing that you mistake for “you” disappears.

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So therefore, the person I am talking to is not really Sufjon but a passing thing that I mistake for Sufjon.
 
I feel that part of the reason why the New Age movement is so attractive is because it seeks to control and change things that should not be controlled and changed.

Also, idolatry and pride is a big part of the New Age movement. For example, many New Agers will say that every single person is divine. Well, that is not true. We are not gods. We are sons and daughters of the King, who is God, but we are not divine. Only the Son of God, Jesus Christ, is divine. He is the only human that is divine.
 
Sufjon said:
This is your belief, I understand that.

What in your estimation is pure being? Please elaborate on what that is if you would.

You can’t teach something you are unaware of.

It leaves us disagreeing.

I know this was intended as an insult, and that’s okay, but it only reveals a lack of understanding of how how reincarnation works. It is not possible for a person to come back as a dung beetle. Reincarnation also takes evolution into account, before evolution was even a part of science. We evolve up the chain, not down it.

You see a line, and I don’t. What can I say?

I think I am only taking what Christ said in the context of what other Avatars have said, and I finf them to match. I know the only Avatar you believe in is Jesus, so I understand your perspective.

I’m not seeing anything revealed in what Christ said to be counter to what I believe.

Fact remains that I am not worried about it.

Yes, I know this is what you believe.

I am very sure of God;s love for me. sans your fear of his Wrath. I don’t fear Him in the least. I know this is part of the guilt thing that Christians carry around, but it isn’t something that I am carrying around.

Another low minded insult that shows a lack of understanding of Indian culture and the concept of how reincarnation works. I will point out if I may that this is the forth time in the time that I’ve known you that you’ve suggested that I might come back as a dog. A slightly veiled insult, but low minded nonetheless. I would point out however that perhaps a dog better serves the glory of God than a person who continually insults others. You are not doing your best when you do that sort of thing, or using your intellect to the capacity that God enabled you to. It would better to be a dog who is using his energy and gifts at being a good dog. It also gives me good cause to discontinue any discourse with you, which I am seriously considering. Firstly because you have spent a good amount of time insulting things you don’t understand, and secondly because some of your remarks suggest that you might not be able to comprehend certain things anyway. That is not an insult, but an observation. That is another place where your scriptures match mine:

-Hindu version: Don;t trouble the ignorant with what you know.

-Christian parallel: Don’t cast your peals among swine.

Tell me why I should disobey these and answer you again?

Please explain.

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Desire will leave you with desire.

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Sorry Sufjon but it is a fact that the devil is the father of lies. Just because you don’t believe it doesn’t make it any less true.
 
Hi, Benedictus2,

I fell behind in readings on this thread … and, I must commend you on your patience.

Really, I think yours would qualify as ‘Industrial Strength’! 🙂

God bless
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Nothing that a piece of Kleenex won’t fix 🙂
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tqualey said:
Hi, Benedictus2,

I fell behind in readings on this thread … and, I must commend you on your patience.

Really, I think yours would qualify as ‘Industrial Strength’! 🙂

God bless
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Hi Tom,

You are very kind. I think the patience is more like sheer doggedness 😃

Peace!

Cory
 
benedictus2 said:
That is a really ridiculous coming from you. So you are saying that you are not a “person who is bent on believing what you believe/?
Do you realize what a stupid statement that is? If you are not “bent on believing what you believe” then why do you take great pains to tell us and convince us of what you believe? If you are not “bent on believing what you believe” then why are you still a Hindu inspite of having taken your baptismal vows as a Catholic.

If anything, you are more bent on believing what you want to believe because you twist and contort Catholic teaching according to what you want to believe. And there is ample evidence of that fact in your posts.

Perhaps you can tell me which of my “proclamations” you are asking me to back up with facts.

Yes, perhaps that you need to do.
But better still, what you need to do is start backing with facts your own proclamations and perhaps try to read carefully what I have written because your answers are so off tangent.
I asked you a very simple question. If you are familiar with the book that St Mary read, (the life of Yogananda) then maybe you can quote that part verbatim.

Until then, all I am saying is Sr Mary read it and that is what she said Yogananda said. If you know the exact part, prove it wrong and quote the text from the book verbatim.

Simple really. Then **I **won’t be talking to a wall.

See, this is where you get so confused and so out of tangent. If you will just read what I have written and stick to that then we can avoid this muddiness.

I did not say that this is something Lahir wrote. It was supposed to be something that Lahir said to Yogananda. That is why going on and on about what Lahir has written is pointless.

If you have read Yogananda’s life story then, it is supposedly there according to Sr Mary.

You tried to interpret what Sr Mary said without having read the particular book and particular phrase. So until you do and can contradict what Sr Mary said with a verbatim account from this book, then I suggest you take your own advise and stop with this.

Focus. You need to focus. Otherwise you are flying off on this tangent and that and you will keep missing the point.
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Benedictus: You say you are quoting a book called “The Life of Yogananda.” I would simply like to know who the author was or the publisher, as I have never heard of a book with that title.

Secondly you are saying it’s just something that Mahasaya said to Yogananda. I don’t think it’s fair to just say that "it’s something that Mahasaya said to Yogananda without stating where that is documented anywhere. That would be like me saying that Sr Mary denounced Christ in a conversation with someone without giving a reference to where that came from, and making up a book title for someone to go chase after. You should be able to simply tell me the name and author of the book.

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Sufjon
 
Sufjon said:
Desire will leave you with desire.
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I was mulling this over yesterday because my friend Kesa commented it on my wall.

Suppose you have this craving, this desire for ice cream, then someone gives you ice cream. Does that still leave you desiring ice cream or is your desire for ice cream quenched.

Or say you are very thirsty and crave water, would drinking your fill leave you craving water or will that leave you filled?

Now I am not saying that you will not get thirsty again, because that is just how we were made by God (to be thirsty again for natural water).

When God fills that enormous craving for Him that He has built into us would, does that still leave us craving or does that fill us totally?

If craving is a hole and you stuff that hole, is there still a hole?
 
benedictus2 said:
So therefore, the person I am talking to is not really Sufjon but a passing thing that I mistake for Sufjon.
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Sorry you weren’t able to understand what I said. I would explain it, but there is no point.

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Sufjon
 
Sufjon said:
Benedictus: You say you are quoting a book called “The Life of Yogananda.” I would simply like to know who the author was or the publisher, as I have never heard of a book with that title.
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I did not say I was quoting a book called “The Life of Yogananda”. Sufjon, please, please, read my posts slowly.

I mentioned Sr Mary and gave a link to her Journey Home witness. That is where I got all this data from. If you are interested in the book, I think you can contact her from the pages of SOLT.

Please Sufjon, pay close attention to what I write becuase I try to be precise in my wording as far as I am able to avoid misunderstandings.
Secondly you are saying it’s just something that Mahasaya said to Yogananda. I don’t think it’s fair to just say that "it’s something that Mahasaya said to Yogananda without stating where that is documented anywhere.
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For goodness sake, just download the link and listen to it. I never claimed to have read the book. I was very clear in my post that this is something Sr Mary of the Trinity said in her testimony. Download the link and listen.

Look, I will try to contact SOLT and see if they can ask Sr Mary about the book she referred to in her Journey Home witness.
That would be like me saying that Sr Mary denounced Christ in a conversation with someone without giving a reference to where that came from, and making up a book title for someone to go chase after. You should be able to simply tell me the name and author of the book.
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Maaan, this is really becoming a strain. Where did I say that I know the book?
 
Holly3278 said:
I feel that part of the reason why the New Age movement is so attractive is because it seeks to control and change things that should not be controlled and changed.

Also, idolatry and pride is a big part of the New Age movement. For example, many New Agers will say that every single person is divine.
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Yes that is true. There’s a movie called “What the blip do we know” and they really emphasized that.

If I should run into the woman in the movie, I will make sure to ask her to please bring forth a universe pronto considering that she is a god.🙂
 
Holly3278 said:
Sorry Sufjon but it is a fact that the devil is the father of lies. Just because you don’t believe it doesn’t make it any less true.
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And that is the whole problem with relativism, people think that just because they think something is so, it is so. Never mind that that might be totally opposite to what someone else thinks. All these conflicting opinions are supposed to be all true.
 
Ahimsa said:
Christians understand the resurrection in many different ways.
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Here’s something that you need to understand.

Unlike Hinduism and every other religion that seems to go for “what’s true for you is true for you and let’s leave it at that”, Christianity (Catholicism in particular) does no such thing.

So again, No. There is only one correct understanding of the resurrection as far as Christians are concerned. We have the Creed.

So I wait for how your response on how you reconcile re-incarnation and resurrection from the Christian perspective.
 
benedictus2 said:
There is only one correct understanding of the resurrection as far as Christians are concerned. We have the Creed.
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If you’re talking about the traditional Catholic understanding of the resurrection, then that’s one thing. But the “Christian” understanding of the resurrection is very diverse.
 
Ahimsa said:
If you’re talking about the traditional Catholic understanding of the resurrection, then that’s one thing. But the “Christian” understanding of the resurrection is very diverse.
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The Catholic understanding is the Christian understanding. There is no such thing as relativism in this regard because it is easy to establish what the Church believes about the resurrection.

So I still wait for your attempt at reconciling these two opposite poles.
 
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