Why are the New Age movement and other exotic ideas so attractive?

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Ahimsa said:
I’m not arguing merely historically; I’m describing how diverse Christians, especially of today, interpret the resurrection.
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What is so important about “today”?

There are so many Christians “today” (about one-third of the world) that you can find someone to believe anything. The fact remains that to understand a teaching, you have to go back to those who first taught it, and to the form it has taken over time.

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GEddie said:
All of these supposedly divergent views amount to the same thing: the reinstatement of a human being, who has suffered death, as a LIVING HUMAN BODY.

Since most dead bodies do not remain stable in time, there really is no difference among the outcomes. It’s a breathing body in the end, that’s the point.
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By “breathing”, I assume you mean “breathing air”. A spiritual body exists in a spiritual realm, in which there are no physical atoms. A spiritual body, thus, does not breathe physical air.
Sure, you can find a handful of Christians who believe something like that. You can find someone to believe anything. The fact remains that anybody with authority in Christianity will say that that is NOT resurrection.
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Perhaps the “anybody with authority” refers to people you yourself would recognize as being in authority, but there are other people, whom you would not recognize as being in authority, whom other Christians would indeed recognize as being in authority.
 
Ahimsa said:
Well, interpretations number 4 and 5 are obviously compatible with reincarnation.

Interpretation number 3 could be seen as compatible as well: if the resurrection involves a spiritual body, then that spiritual body would still be “resurrected” even if it were to become associated with another physical body.
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No. Resurrection means rising from the dead once. That is what Christian resurrection means. We die once. We rise once. Just like Christ. That is why we are Christians, not Hindu.
 
Ahimsa said:
Well, interpretations number 4 and 5 are obviously compatible with reincarnation.
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Sure. That is because neither case has anything to do with resurrection.
Interpretation number 3 could be seen as compatible as well: if the resurrection involves a spiritual body, then that spiritual body would still be “resurrected” even if it were to become associated with another physical body.
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No, because the “other physical body” is another PERSON, complete with a new human mind.

Resurrection involves the same human being/mind, fitted with a renewed, live human body (pneumatikon soma).

ICXC NIKA.
 
Ahimsa said:
In interpretation number 3, the resurrection of the spiritual body would indeed occur once.
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Spiritual body?

We are talking about physical body.

So how many posts have you done since I asked for an explanation? Still no answer? I thought not.

Let’s just put this to bed because I know you have no answer. Or you would have given them by now.
 
GEddie said:
Sure. That is because neither case has anything to do with resurrection.
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Obviously, those Christians who see 4 and 5 as representing the true meaning of resurrection, would disagree.
No, because the “other physical body” is another PERSON, complete with a new human mind.
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The spiritual body includes the mind and a spiritual body, so when a spiritual body assumes a physical body, the mind is not new, the mind is the same mind.

Now, if you want to say that if a human being gets a new physical body, then they become a totally new ‘person’, then that would mean that each of us becomes a totally new ‘person’ every 9 years or so, when (it has been estimated) all of our atoms in our bodies are all replaced with different atoms, producing, a new physical body.
Resurrection involves the same human being/mind, fitted with a renewed, live human body (pneumatikon soma).
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That’s what happens when the spiritual body becomes associated with a physical body. The spiritual body consists of a mind and a spiritual body. When your spiritual body associates with a new physical body, the mind is the same: the bodily form, though, incorporates a physical form.
 
benedictus2 said:
And you think I do not see your attempts at evading the issue?
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Actually, the definition of who is Christian is at the heart of the issue. It’s the elephant in the room that cannot be avoided. But, it’s another topic, as well.
 
Ahimsa said:
Actually, the definition of who is Christian is at the heart of the issue. It’s the elephant in the room that cannot be avoided. But, it’s another topic, as well.
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So why would you write that that is a topic for another discussion. Caught you in the lie did I?
 
GEddie said:
The fact remains that to understand a teaching, you have to go back to those who first taught it, and to the form it has taken over time.
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One can go back to those who first taught, but that doesn’t mean that they fully understood all of the ramifications of a particular idea. Nor does it mean that “we” today fully understand all of the ramifications.
 
benedictus2 said:
Spiritual body?

We are talking about physical body.The human person is composed of many levels of being. You can’t discuss the person’s resurrection without discussing those levels of being.
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Let’s just put this to bed because I know you have no answer. Or you would have given them by now.
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If you have no more questions, then we may suspend communications.
 
Ahimsa said:
If you have no more questions, then we may suspend communications.
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I have the questions which you claimed to have the answer to - but that has been proven false by a non-response from you.
 
Ahimsa said:
By “breathing”, I assume you mean “breathing air”. A spiritual body exists in a spiritual realm, in which there are no physical atoms. A spiritual body, thus, does not breathe physical air.
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Ok, no argument. Our LORD breathed after HIS resurrection (John 20:22) and so I assume we will too. Presumably breathing “spirit” (I know that’s redundant:)) rather than air. It’s nothing to get choked up about:)🙂
Perhaps the “anybody with authority” refers to people you yourself would recognize as being in authority, but there are other people, whom you would not recognize as being in authority, whom other Christians would indeed recognize as being in authority.
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I’ve been in several Christian denominations, and there are indeed strong divergences of doctrine. But one thing they all have in common is the Nicaean creed, which expressly anticipates a bodily resurrection.

I would imagine that one could not be a Buddhist without accepting reincarnation. Likewise, even if someone were to call himself Christian, even if he had leadership of a church body, he would not BE a Christian if he rejected the bodily resurrection. Why? Because the Christ that person believed in would NOT be the Christ who rose bodily.

ICXC NIKA
 
benedictus2 said:
So why would you write that that is a topic for another discussion. Caught you in the lie did I?
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The definition of who is a Christian is very different from “Why are the New Age ideas attractive”. The debates about who is a Christian have been going on for 2000 years, and yet there is still much disagreement. I doubt we would achieve any consensus on this forum.
 
Ahimsa said:
The definition of who is a Christian is very different from “Why are the New Age ideas attractive”. The debates about who is a Christian have been going on for 2000 years, and yet there is still much disagreement. I doubt we would achieve any consensus on this forum.
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Nope, I am not letting you sidestep this one.

You tried to extricate yourself, failed and try to cover it up with a lie.

This dissembling actually is at the heart of your professed religion - Jesus Buddhist. No such thing.
 
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