Why are there a lot of misinformed and frankly uneducated Catholics that frown upon orthodox Church teachings and Traditions that were otherwise belov

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Once in a while you’ll find “new age” Christians and very modern Catholics that will say that the Church shouldnt “going back” or falling behind the times. Some passively discourage the Latin mass and see people that practice and participate in it as old fashioned clique that cant accept how the church is now. Many claim Latin is “dead” yet it is very much alive in the Church! Another example is I raised a couple eyebrows when I openly called Jesus AND his mother Mary as the New Adam and Eve on my Instagram like it was a very hard Einstein equation that was difficult to interpret.
I personally hate how some clergy and laity are so open to embrace sudden changes in the Church but are too hesitate and need I say ignorant to study their sacred God given roots. it seems with each passing generation Catholics are becoming more and more passive and indifferent to their faith.
 
We live times of exacerbated humanism, as in the human being as an idol. Everyone is an idol. Idols do not bow, kneel or ask for forgiveness. Idols feel innocent because their inner voice says so, and that voice is strong and because it is soothing everyone bets it’s God.
We know that strong voice is not from God because God cannot contradict Himself. He gave 1st Commandment and then He can’t come and say “but it’s okay if you worship yourself too since I made you in My likeness etc etc”.
St Paysios calls it the cry of the Modern man, filling life with all sorts of ideas and stuff and pleasures because on an undiagnosed sense of loss. The diagnosis is that the loss is actually the loss of God. His presence loud and clear in our lives.
 
As an OK Boomer, I hasten to remark that my 90 year old mother did a GREAT job educating me and my brother and sister. I sweated BLOOD educating my children and later grandchildren.

I am here to tell you that the best efforts of a person (of whatever generation) may have absolutely no effect (or none seen for years). While I practice the faith, my sister and brother no longer do. While my children are not actively hostile to ‘religion’, all consider themselves as at best ‘raised’ Catholic but not ‘practicing’ due to the relentless hostile secularism which has succeeded in presenting core Catholic teachings as hostility to 'wonderful people".

So don’t blame ‘the generations’ as in "the parents/grandparents’. Many of us spend our days and nights in fasting and prayer for not just our children but all the children who have CHOSEN (God willing not forever) to reject Truths they were lovingly and faithfully taught by their parents and families.
 
I hope you’re not calling Vatican II a “sudden change in the Church” given that it’s now been with us for about 50 years which is longer than many, many people have even been alive.

Some people don’t like Latin. Some people don’t like Latin Mass.
The correct way to deal with it is to say, “Fine, if you don’t like it then no one is making you go. I like it, it is being offered and the Church says it’s okay for me to go, so I will go and enjoy it and you can go to the Ordinary Form Mass and we can both live and let live.”

Also, if you’re going to toss around concepts like Jesus is the New Adam and Mary is the New Eve, then you should just be prepared to explain them because it is likely many of the people you talk to who aren’t hanging around CAF or the FSSP parish or the local theology department have never heard this before. So it is your opportunity to teach them something.

If people criticize your legitimate practices and beliefs, then it’s your opportunity to pray for them and to bear Christian witness by being kind but firm. I understand this post was likely born of your frustration but there is always going to be somebody who disagrees with you no matter what the subject is.
 
JimmyTolder said:
The “”“Greatest”"" Generation failed to catecize their Boomer kids, who in turn failed to catecize their kids.
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This is complete baloney. My mother and dad were Greatest Generation; they had me later in life. They catechized me just fine, thank you. Certainly much better than my Catholic elementary school with its God-is-love picture books that had stuff in them I’d already learned from my mother when I was three.
 
I’ve wondered the same thing. I’ve even noticed it quite a lot on this forum. Someone will ask a question, I’ll give the traditional answer and someone will respond with, “Well, Vatican II changed that.” or something like that. Not realizing that it is impossible for the traditional teaching to be changed.
 
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Some people don’t like Latin. Some people don’t like Latin Mass.
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imagine not liking the mass that thousands of saints throughout history contemplated and adored. To have one preferred over the other is one thing but to say you dont LIKE it? clearly the said person doesnt really know the true meaning behind the gestures, prayers and the reason behind alot of what happens on the altar during EF.
 
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imagine not liking the mass that thousands of saints throughout history contemplated and adored. To have one preferred over the other is one thing but to say you dont LIKE it? clearly the said person doesnt really know the true meaning behind the gestures, prayers and the reason behind alot of what happens on the altar during EF.
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Imagine all the converts that may never have come to the Catholic Church if it was spoken in a different language.
Why do people fight about what is likely God’s Will that both the OF and EF exists?
 
How many people, say under 60 years old, have even been to a TLM. It might not be that they dislike it as much as it is that they are unfamiliar or even unaware of it.
 
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I personally hate how some clergy and laity are so open to embrace sudden changes in the Church but are too hesitate and need I say ignorant to study their sacred God given roots. it seems with each passing generation Catholics are becoming more and more passive and indifferent to their faith.
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My way=“sacred and God given”
Their way=“indifferent to their faith” and, yes, you did dare to say “ignorant” but you did not “need” to.
This is preaching to the choir, not evangelizing. (There is a lot more to the art of education than being factually correct, friend.)
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Once in a while you’ll find “new age” Christians and very modern Catholics that will say that the Church shouldnt “going back” or falling behind the times. Some passively discourage the Latin mass and see people that practice and participate in it as old fashioned clique that cant accept how the church is now. Many claim Latin is “dead” yet it is very much alive in the Church! Another example is I raised a couple eyebrows when I openly called Jesus AND his mother Mary as the New Adam and Eve on my Instagram like it was a very hard Einstein equation that was difficult to interpret.
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Well, objectively speaking, Latin is no longer part of the college or college prep curriculum. My dad took four years of Latin. I had access to one. There just weren’t enough students to support more than that.
More to the point, more Catholics want to learn Spanish, because they realize that while almost none of the baptized Catholic world actually studies Latin any more, Spanish-speaking populations still tend to be Roman Catholic populations. While Latin is not “dead” in the Church, it has to be admitted that the language is dying in terms of the representation it had in when it was considered de rigueur for educated persons, which was less than 100 years ago.

As far as catechesis goes, education in general has gone away from learning facts. It isn’t just catechesis that is weak. It is knowledge of geography that is weak. Too many Americans cannot find the Pacific Ocean on a map primarily because they don’t know how to read maps at all.

There has been no generation that has gone through as many changes in its lifetime as those born after World War II. If you don’t believe me, look at what this nation was like before World War I: what the opportunities were, what the technology was, what the understanding of the natural world was. Did you know that it was only recognized in 1911 that most of the mass of the atom is concentrated in an extremely small nucleus? 1911!! Honestly, you watch Star Trek and marvel that although our future Captain Kirk has Alexa, he is stuck with a flip phone and it isn’t until the Next Generation when the new Enterprise got iPads with WiFi capability. Is it a wonder that our generation sees change as the norm?
 
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Outside of liturgical rubrics for the Mass, there will be no difference between non-traditional and traditional Catholics. Teachings will be the same.
 
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Imagine all the converts that may never have come to the Catholic Church if it was spoken in a different language.
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conversion doesnt happen because of literal tongues spoken at the mass. conversion happens OUTSIDE of the mass. the mass is supposed to give us resolve and strength to do the conversion when we step out into the world. You can go to mass every weekend but have no interest or strength to defend the Faith or educate. No different than “Faith Without Works Is Dead” -James 2:17

so to answer your question it would have made virtually no difference. It would have been the same with or without the vernacular changes. The only difference now is you have 2-3 different congregations that never meet going to worship in their own tongue than having the majority of them in the same room under one tongue. This is the beauty of the latin mass most seem to overlook or not take seriously

Going back to my original point of my thread I was simply bringing about a discussion on why more liberal or modern leaning catholics can be so quick to discourage some traditions and almost rebuke people that want to hold onto them. it has nothing to do with bashing those that for one reason or another hold onto a more liberal or open view to change within the Church
 
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liberal or modern leaning catholics can be so quick to discourage some traditions and almost rebuke people that want to hold onto them. it
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Have you ever stopped to consider that you yourself (and many others “traditionalists”) have nothing but rebuke after rebuke for anyone whom you deem a “modern” or “liberal” Catholic? I have been on this forum a year and I have literally only ever seen “traditionalists” bashing fellow Catholics as “liberal” for not exclusively attending the Extraordinary Form. Nothing is discouraging you from holding to tradition. The Church says you’re free to attend the Extraordinary Form. I don’t see what this whole thread is about, honestly.
 
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Convert3:
Imagine all the converts that may never have come to the Catholic Church if it was spoken in a different language.
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Going back to my original point of my thread I was simply bringing about a discussion on why more liberal or modern leaning catholics can be so quick to discourage some traditions and almost rebuke people that want to hold onto them. it has nothing to do with bashing those that for one reason or another hold onto a more liberal or open view to change within the Church
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This is not unlike other issues: people are generally not very open to changing their minds if they have an opinion on something. Conservatives can be quick to dismiss liberal politics, and vice versa. Even at work people who have a strong opinion on a particular process are not easily convinced to change. Just human nature.
 
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