Why are there so many Chirstians denominations (beware: more information needed) ?

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Dear all,

This is my first post, so take it easy. The question is serious though.

Why are there so many denominations?
Now the catholic answer goes like this: Martin Luther left the one church and changed verses and books of the bible, and then sola scriptora did its thing.
Can someone explain this a little bit more in detail?

As a catholic, I would like to here some **protestant or eastern answers **to those questions as well, and where the catholic has to say about those arguments.

Interesting fact (maybe 🤷 ), Islam have many denominations as well?
 
Dear all,

This is my first post, so take it easy. The question is serious though.

Why are there so many denominations?
Now the catholic answer goes like this: Martin Luther left the one church and changed verses and books of the bible, and then sola scriptora did its thing.
Can someone explain this a little bit more in detail?

As a catholic, I would like to here some **protestant or eastern answers **to those questions as well, and where the catholic has to say about those arguments.

Interesting fact (maybe 🤷 ), Islam have many denominations as well?
Shiite and Sunni would be the tow that stick out in my mind but i am almost positive they have more
 
satan attacked Adam/Eve through their intellect, “you can know right from wrong and be like GOD”. That same attack has not changed over the centuries. People for a variety of reasons choose to “edit” the word of GOD, as they believe “they know right from wrong” better than the scripture writers.
You can Google any of the many protestant religions and see a history of their founder and beginning, for instance the Anglican Church was founded in the sin of King Henry VIII in divorcing and murdering his wives and declaring himself “head” of the Church in England in order to assure a male heir to the throne.
 
A lady I know (protestant denomination) and her husband disagreed with their pastor’s interpretation of the King James Bible and they literally bought a building and ten or twelve followers started their own church services.

When money and property is involved - state tax exemption status- it becomes necessary to file under a parish name.

Whalla, one new denomination is created.
 
History is our friend and “tells all.”

You can view a nice free video of “Origin of the Bible” at the following link:

alabamacatholicresources.com/Bible.html

Also, historically, Martin Luther broke from the Church because there were certain individuals in the Church who were abusing the doctrine of indulgences. They were selling indulgences, which is not allowed and certainly not part of Catholic doctrine. Here’s how that all came about, though…

When the black plague hit Europe, some of the first people to die were priests, because when you’re dying, who are you gonna call? The priest! To give you the Sacraments, etc. So, it wiped out about 90+% of the priests in Europe. All these guys were educated in the faith very well. But, the Church kind of panicked and started ordaining untrained/uneducated men, some of whom couldn’t even read (they’d memorize the Mass and recite it from memory), because the Church had to have the Mass said, the Sacraments given, etc. A lot of these poorly educated/trained priests were also not well formed spiritually, and got into selling indulgences, making a lot of money.

Martin Luther was correct about the problem, but he was incorrect in his response to it. In fact, he never really intended to leave the Church or start Protestantism. He just wanted to fix the problem. But, he had a horrible temper and got into a tiff with the Pope and the Church because they didn’t move fast enough for him, among other things. Then, he began disassembling Catholic theology. He reasoned that if selling of Indulgences was wrong, Indulgences were wrong. If indulgences were wrong, you didn’t need the Mass to pray for the dead. And if you didn’t need the Mass, you didn’t need priests to say Mass. And if you didn’t need priests, you didn’t need bishops to make them priests, etc., etc. He ended up with nothing except the man made doctrines of Sola Scriptura (the Bible alone) and Sola Fide (faith alone), which he made up out of thin air. At the end of his life, he deeply regretted what he had done.

With regard to changing the Bible, the biggest change that remained was seven books in the Old Testament which Protestants no longer have (well, at least most of 'em). Back when Jesus walked the earth, there were two versions of the Old Testament: the Hebrew version and the Greek version (Septuagent), which was translated for those Jews living in Egypt (there was a very large contingent of Jews around Alexandria, Egypt). The Septuagent had the seven books, and scholars have proven that approximately 80% of the direct and indirect references to the Old Testament in the New Testament were from the Septuagent version. So, they reasoned that this was the version Jesus and the Apostles used and kept that. The Jews, for their part, didn’t codify their Old Testament till the late first, early second century, after Christianity (Catholicism) had already started. They made up criteria which included the fact that the books they accepted must be 1) written in Hebrew and 2) written on Hebrew soil. What you don’t hear is that one of the motivations for doing this is that the new Christians were converting Jews using the Septuagent version of the Old Testament, and that didn’t sit too well with them! 🙂

Keep in mind, too, that the "Word of God’’ is not something. It is Somebody, namely Jesus Christ! The Bible and Oral Tradition (a.k.a., Holy Tradition), which St. Paul talks about in 2 Thes 2:15, are the two main “modes” of transmission of the Word of God to us. But they are only so when the Magisterium of the Church guides us in our translation/interpretation thereof. So, the Word of God is transmitted to us in a trinitarian manner, just like God is transmitted to us in a trinitarian manner. The Church says that wherever you find one member of the Trinity, you always find the other Two. For example, wherever you find Jesus, you find the Father and Holy Spirit. Likewise, the Word of God, properly transmitted to mankind, consists of Holy Tradition, Holy Scripture, and the Magisterium of the Church. You cannot have the Word of God correctly transmitted if you leave out any of the three.
 
From the Eastern Orthodox perspective, the Catholic Church broke off somewhere between 1000 and 1500 AD. That a “heretic” church splintered into multiple protestant denominations is not a surprise to them.

From a Protestant perspective, many believe that the many denominations were formed so that every human being can be exposed to Jesus Christ in his own way. Others those, believe they uncovered the true Christian faith, and that everyone else has it wrong.

We of course believe that we’ve been pealing members off since about 400 AD or so, when the Oriental Orthodox broke of from the still united Catholic/Eastern Orthodox Church. Of course, the Oriental and Eastern Orthodox Churches, as well as some later splinter churches such as the Polish National Church, worked hard to maintain Apostolic Secession, because they thought we Catholics weren’t orthodox enough!

The Protestants have mostly abandoned the Apostolic secession, although the Eastern Orthodox accept that the Anglican’s might have valid holy orders, and usually don’t re-ordinate Anglican Clergy who convert. Returning to the “true” faith in their opinion is enough to correct any sacramental defect.
 
Sin…sin begats more sin…In the beginning there has been I,m of Peter, I’m of Paul , I’m of Appollos…Division arises, catholic church splits. One see separate from the rest of sees, two separate cathoilic churches…pretty soon more division in the side that chose the name catholic because of problems that weren’t being fixed…It goes from there…My question is why if sin causes division why did splitting come again from the see that separated rather that the sees that stayed intact…Why the orhtodox church doesn’t have anywhere near the problem that the cc church has over the years…Their now without fault and have their own divisions but the see are still intact…I have seen almost nothing of problems in the orthodox except from the scuffles in Jerusalem…As for the cc, just recently I have seen issues with the vatican bank, a bad priest finally caught and the vatican siding with the un in condemnation of Israel. Still in the midst of it all the gospel message is moving all over the world with people coming to Christ daily…Just some things I have pondered over the years…

One last note evangelism, spreading the gospel…I had a pretty radical conversion experience in 1973…In all those 40 years I have been approached by many regular bible christians, JW’s and mormans but NEVER was approached by a member of the Catholic or Orthodox church…
 
History is our friend and “tells all.”

Martin Luther was correct about the problem, but he was incorrect in his response to it. In fact, he never really intended to leave the Church or start Protestantism. He just wanted to fix the problem. But, he had a horrible temper and got into a tiff with the Pope and the Church because they didn’t move fast enough for him, among other things. Then, he began disassembling Catholic theology. He reasoned that if selling of Indulgences was wrong, Indulgences were wrong. If indulgences were wrong, you didn’t need the Mass to pray for the dead. And if you didn’t need the Mass, you didn’t need priests to say Mass. And if you didn’t need priests, you didn’t need bishops to make them priests, etc., etc. He ended up with nothing except the man made doctrines of Sola Scriptura (the Bible alone) and Sola Fide (faith alone), which he made up out of thin air.

Whoa that sounds like sedevacantists (claimed Traditional Catholics)

At the end of his life, he deeply regretted what he had done.

I didn’t know that. I am going to be mean and ask you for the source 😃
Wow.
 
From the Eastern Orthodox perspective, the Catholic Church broke off somewhere between 1000 and 1500 AD. That a “heretic” church splintered into multiple protestant denominations is not a surprise to them.

From a Protestant perspective, many believe that the many denominations were formed so that every human being can be exposed to Jesus Christ in his own way. Others those, believe they uncovered the true Christian faith, and that everyone else has it wrong.

We of course believe that we’ve been pealing members off since about 400 AD or so, when the Oriental Orthodox broke of from the still united Catholic/Eastern Orthodox Church. Of course, the Oriental and Eastern Orthodox Churches, as well as some later splinter churches such as the Polish National Church, worked hard to maintain Apostolic Secession, because they thought we Catholics weren’t orthodox enough!

The Protestants have mostly abandoned the Apostolic secession, although the Eastern Orthodox accept that the Anglican’s might have valid holy orders, and usually don’t re-ordinate Anglican Clergy who convert. Returning to the “true” faith in their opinion is enough to correct any sacramental defect.
Mostly correct, however as far as I’m aware the norm is for those from outside Orthodoxy, whether Catholic or Anglican or other, to be re-ordained. An exception may be made for Oriental Orthodox but that’s it.
 
PLAT, here’s a few quotes from Martin Luther from our friends at Wiki and Patrick O’ Hare’s The Facts about Luther:

"In matters of faith, to be sure, each Christian is for himself Pope and Church.”

“There will be the greatest confusion. Nobody will allow himself to be led by another man’s doctrine or authority. Everyone will be his own rabbi: hence, the greatest scandals.”

“There are as many sects now and beliefs as there are heads. This fellow has nothing to do with baptism. Another one denies the sacraments. A third believes there is another world between this one and the last day. Some teach that Christ is not God. Some say this, some say that. There is no rustic so rude that if he dreams or fancies anything believes it must be the whisper of the Holy Spirit and that he himself must be a prophet.”

“Since the downfall of Popery, and the cessation of excommunication and spiritual penalties, the people have learned to despise the word of God. They no longer care for churches, they have ceased to fear and honor God. After throwing out the yoke of the Pope, everyone wishes to live as he pleases.”

“If God had not closed my eyes, and if I had foreseen these scandals, I would never have begun to teach the gospel.”

“If the world lasts, it will be necessary, on account of the differing interpretations of Scripture which now exist, that to preserve the unity of faith, we should receive the Catholic councils and decrees and fly to them for refuge.”
 
=PLAT;7202711]Dear all,
This is my first post, so take it easy. The question is serious though.
Welcome, PLAT.
Why are there so many denominations?
Human sin is the simple answer, which was confirmed by Pope Benedict when he visited the Lutheran Church in Rome back in March.
Now the catholic answer goes like this: Martin Luther left the one church and changed verses and books of the bible, and then sola scriptora did its thing.
Can someone explain this a little bit more in detail?
It needs more explanation, because it is simplistic, at best.
The events revolving around Luther’s exommunication, and therefore, his leaving the Church
are complex, and there are many writings and opinions about it. More recently, there has been a growth in understandings between Lutheran and Catholic theologians, and an increasing rejection of extreme polemic writers of the past on both sides, including the aforementioned Fr. O’Hare.

On Luther and the Bible:
He translated all of the 73 books of the typical western Bible of his time, and included the Prayer of Manasses. The “addition” of “allein” in Romans 3:28 was, in his words necessary for translation into German. “Alone” does not appear in any English translation, becasue it isn’t necessary for the meaning to be clear.

The most important thing, however, is to look to the future, and pray the Holy Spirit move and guide us toward the unity Christ calls for.

Jon
 
Dear all,

This is my first post, so take it easy. The question is serious though.

Why are there so many denominations?
Okay - taking this to a VERY basic level.

Martin Luther started it all (as many have described so I feel I have no need to elaborate on the subject). This happened in 1517 for the Lutherans.

The following left in this order:
1520 Reformed
1525 Anabaptists
1534 Anglican
1560 Presbyterian
1612 Baptist
1787 Methodists

The branches of those denominations began to branch themselves.

Here is the “complex” chart if you will of how it all shook down.

HTH!
 
But… I want Protestant and Orthodox answers!
As someone who hasn’t even taken an RCIA class the best Protestant answer is I can give you is each denomination has broken with another via the timeline I posted for differences in what they feel is core beliefs. The reason for the break is as varied as the denominations are themselves.

Breaks are STILL happening today. New Christian churches develop their own denominations and go their own way all of the time.

This is one of the reasons we, as a family, are turning to the Catholic church. I need something solid that isn’t going to change every week so that I have to explain yet again WHY the church is doing one thing when the Bible says another.
 
Okay - taking this to a VERY basic level.

Martin Luther started it all (as many have described so I feel I have no need to elaborate on the subject). This happened in 1517 for the Lutherans.

The following left in this order:
1520 Reformed
1525 Anabaptists
1534 Anglican
1560 Presbyterian
1612 Baptist
1787 Methodists

The branches of those denominations began to branch themselves.

Here is the “complex” chart if you will of how it all shook down.

HTH!
Just curious, why didn’t you start with 1054 (who broke off from whom is another debate)?
But just to point out that, simply because Luther was “first” (that can even be debated), in no way means he caused the others to happen. Zwingli, Calvin, etc. were not lemmings. they made their choices on their own, and they certainly were never with Luther.
Jon
 
Funny thing is, the least Protestant (Closest to Catholic, probably) Anglicans insists that they are protestant.
 
What I find ironic is that so many people here blast protestants 30,000 denominations like it’d all their fault…Problems ALWAYS come from roots…Somewhere divisive roots were sown…In the midst of it all I had a powerful conversion experience almost 40 years ago with a passion for Christ all these years…
God is working, people are choosing to follow Christ daily in the midst of it all…Like I said before I find it interesting that the fracture was one separating from the majority and then another fracture from the one who separated from the rest…What is cool is God is still at work drawing others to Him and maturing deeply in their faith…Another interesting thing is all the flack about the media attacking the cc…It’s reaping from sin in the camp…That is not media’s fault for wanting to expose it…I just read now about vatican banking issues…Then a bishop denying Israel’s claim to biblical prophecy…I don’t hear beans about the orthodox church…The news pretty much leaves them alone…Don’t blame the media for your own internal problems…We should be living above reproach…
 
Another interesting thing is all the flack about the media attacking the cc…It’s reaping from sin in the camp…That is not media’s fault for wanting to expose it…I just read now about vatican banking issues…Then a bishop denying Israel’s claim to biblical prophecy…I don’t hear beans about the orthodox church…The news pretty much leaves them alone…Don’t blame the media for your own internal problems…We should be living above reproach…
It’s not the fact that the exposure itself has a problem, but the approaches of the media. Yes there are things that the public needs to know, but sometimes the media still cannot be that aggresive. After all, not all companies are that responsible. Just look at the information in the daily mail and statistics in fox news.
 
Because people are unique, and they are limited by their own personalities, their perception of religion will also be unique. Religious modifications to traditional beliefs, are influenced firstly by such uniqueness, secondly by the force of character of individuals, thirdly by their desire to create communities of like-minded others.

But there is something unique to Christianity that has, since its earliest days, caused division: the idea that unique perceptions of religion are not unique to the human experiencing them, but are instead the universal will of God, and the only true way. Ironically, the exclusivity and elitism of Christianity splinters it.

But of course, all of this is merely my own opinion.
 
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