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bobzills
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I don;t think that a** is such a bad word. When you compare it to some of the other filthy and foul words used in the novels of Father Greeley, it really is nothing.
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Centurionguard:
Our poster asked a question because he didn’t know something. I don’t think he needed to get taken over your knee and spanked for it and then have his mouth washed out with soap.
Our Lord hung around with some pretty “Salty” people himself (you ever hear fishermen, prostitutes and such like talk), and the Gospels don’t record any instances of His correcting their cursing (and, we can be sure they did plenty of it).
A Sermon with Three Points
A man was asked to speak to a rather large church congregation. After he strode to the pulpit he said, “There are three points to my sermon.” Most people yawned at that point. They’d heard that many times before.*
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*But he went on. “My first point is this. At this time there are approximately 2 billion people starving to death in the world.” The reaction through the congregation was about the same, since they’d heard that sort of statement many times before, too. *
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And then he said, “My second point.” Everybody sat up. Only ten or fifteen seconds had passed, and he was already on his second point? He paused, then said, “My second point is that most of you don’t give a damn!”
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He paused again as gasps and rumblings flowed across the congregation, and then said: “And my third point is that the real tragedy among Christians today is that many of you are now more concerned that I said ‘damn’ than you are that I said that 2 billion people are starving to death.” *
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Then he sat down.
net.bible.org/illustration.php?topic=956
(Scroll most of the way down)
questingparson.org/post.asp?p=46
I could give you the whole history of how Vulgar Anglo-Saxon was displaced by “Upper -Class” French-Latin, but that would require an upper level Western Civ or Social Psych Course. Instead, I’m going to ask you to understand that most of these “Vulgar” words are the words of a defeated people (the Anglo-Saxons) that were replaced by the words of the conquerors (the Norman French), just as the defeated people were displaced from their lands and titles by the conquerors who then treated them as a defeated people who no rights the conquerors had to recognize.
The use of the Vulgar Anglo-Saxon may just as often come from a feeling of powerlessness or lack of control as anything else. and, I’ve found whacking someone who feels powerless to be a pretty counterproductive exercise.
With so many real fights going on in the Church and in the world, this is one we really should avoid unless someone is a “potty mouth”. I think concerning ourselves with the occasional “Damn” or even an S-word when unborn babies are being slaughtered by the hundreds of thousands, hundreds of millions of people are starving to death, or the Lord’s Presence in the Eucharist is being treated as it is in many Catholic Churches is a severe case of misplaced priorities.
Your Brother & Servant in Christ, Michael
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Traditional_Ang
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Scameter:Thanks. That answered it infallibly and completely, for me and everyone else here. Thanks for every other reply I got in this topic too; I really appreciate the interest and love you people are offering in trying to inform me. God bless.
Here’s the Net Bible - Please note that it uses ABUSIVE LANGUAGE, which is closer to the Original Greek…
Therefore, if you have been raised with Christ, keep seeking the things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God. Keep thinking about things above, not things on the earth, for you have died and your life is hidden with Christ in God. When Christ (who is your life) appears, then you too will be revealed in glory with him. So put to death whatever in your nature belongs to the earth: sexual immorality, impurity, shameful passion, evil desire, and greed which is idolatry. Because of these things the wrath of God is coming on the sons of disobedience. You also lived your lives in this way at one time, when you used to live among them. But now, put off all such things as anger, rage, malice, slander, abusive language from your mouth. Do not lie to one another since you have put off the old man with its practices and have been clothed with the new man that is being renewed in knowledge according to the image of the one who created it. Here there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all and in all.
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Colossians 3:1-11 NET Bible**
Here are 4 more translations on BibleGateway.com, plus the
Revised Standard Version, & New American Bible. And here is a Greek/English Interlinear. and, Here is an Interlinear with a PDF available.
The Apostle St. Paul isn’t talking about the occasional swear word. He’s talking about something much more extreme - Using language to abuse other people and using God’s Holy name to justify and dignify some of the most unholy and unGodly causes (a violation of the 2nd Commandment).
I suggest you spend some real quality time reading the Scriptures and the Church Fathers, and see what God emphasizes. I’m pretty sure you’ll see a lot about making sure employees receive an honest day’s wage for an honest day’s work, defending the rights of the widow, the orphan, the poor and the helpless, and rendering to God what rightly belongs to God… At the same time, aside from making sure people are treated with respect, that God’s name is held in awe and reverence, and about the need to be ready to give account for the hope that is in us and to lovingly correct our brothers and sisters when they are wrong, you’ll find the Scriptures say very little about speech.
Rabban Hillel said, “The First Commandment is this - You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your mind and with all your strength. this is the first and greatest commandment. The Second is like it - You shall love your neighbor as yourself. All of the rest is commentary.”
At some point, we need to love and know God so much that what is important to Him is important to us, and that what breaks His heart breaks ours.
Your Brother & Servant in Christ, Michael
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detdom12
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Interesting, it makes sense. Where did you learn that at?May I remind all of you that our bodies are the Temple of The Holy Spirit and that Jesus lives within us. NOW as for the F*** word, I wonder how many of you know the origin of this word. It goes back to the days when women wore chastity belts. The King of the land would have to grant permission to have the belts removed to allow intercourse. He would do so by allowing F ornication U nder C onsent of the K ing. The King would stamp the permit with letters granting permission. The WORD tells us to “put on the mind of Christ”. and as we strive to “Live Jesus” (St. Francis de Sales) we should avoid using foul language .
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mariciaspirit
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“Or know ye not that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit which is in you, which ye have from God? and ye are not your own; for ye were bought with a price: glorify God therefore in your body.” 1 Cor 6:19-20. The bible is a great place to get answers. Occasionally, I also use an online bible when I need a piece of scripture but cannot remember where it is located. It reinforces the message that the Pope gave that communication via the World Wide Web can be used to spread the Good News to fellow Christians. I also found that the first response was a bit condescending. As Christians we have to remember that everyone is at a different spiritual level. “And the eye cannot say to the hand, I have no need of thee: or again the head to the feet, I have no need of you. Nay, much rather, those members of the body which seem to be more feeble are necessary: and those parts of the body, which we think to be less honorable, upon these we bestow more abundant honor; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness” 1 Cor 12:21-23. I was once chastised by a senior member in the Church for not being able to recite The Apostle Creed. I felt awful, an emotion which can shake the faith of a beginner. Compassion and humility is the key.
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CAROLOFTHEBELLS
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I’m not sure why you quoted my most recent post. The point of what I was saying is that often in the Bible the word a** is used to refer to an animal, not a body part.
In regards to not thinking that a** is such a bad word (when referring to a body part), that’s a personal assessment which doesn’t necessarily coincide with the thoughts (or even feelings) of other individuals. That is the trouble with a person deciding to use language that might be offensive when they personally don’t consider it bad; it is only thinking of one’s own assessment and not the other person or what is generally acceptable.
I’m not interested in what Father Greeley does and I don’t see any reason to compare the words he uses to other words in order to determine what is not so bad. If I considered what others did, even priests, in order to determine if what I was doing was okay or right then I would never truly know right from wrong. This is not to say that sort of rationalization isn’t tempting or human. It’s very human and tempting. We should try to seek a higher way of thinking and behaving, though, and allow God to be the author of what we do and say.
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bobzills
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OK.
With reference to the word mentioned, I just give my personal opinion, that it is not as bad as the others.
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CAROLOFTHEBELLS
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I cringe everytime I hear the word a** on TV.
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bobzills
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Yeah. it’s not a good word to use. But my personal opinion is that the others are much worse.
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mkingdomlvr
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So what is the difference between saying the actual cuss word and a clever euphemism? Isn’t the intent the same?
It’s pretty obvious what people mean when they say “abso-FREAKIN-lutley” or “darn” or “shoot” or “fudge”…are we really kidding anyone when we come out with those?
It’s pretty obvious what people mean when they say “abso-FREAKIN-lutley” or “darn” or “shoot” or “fudge”…are we really kidding anyone when we come out with those?
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bobzills
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I would say that the use of these by-words is also a sin in many cases. For example, I read in the books of the Roman Catholic priest, Father Andrew Greeley, that when a person is angry or upset, they may say Oh Jaysus. This to me is the same as using Our Lord’s name in vain and I would not agree with Catholic priests such as Father Greeley who see fit to use such expressions in their writings.So what is the difference between saying the actual cuss word and a clever euphemism? Isn’t the intent the same?
It’s pretty obvious what people mean when they say “abso-FREAKIN-lutley” or “darn” or “shoot” or “fudge”…are we really kidding anyone when we come out with those?
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The difference here, is that it IS sin to take the Lord’s name in vain, therefore, we can reasonably assume that slight variations of that which mean the same thing would be a sin as well. However, no where is it implied that saying “Oh poop” is a sin. If that’s not a sin, we can reasonably assume that saying “Oh s***” which means the same thing is not a sin either.
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mkingdomlvr
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That’s pretty much how I’ve looked at it. Taking the name of God, Jesus or Mary in vain is a larger sin IMHO, than saying “Oh ****” if I drop something on my foot.
As for using cuss words other than when you drop something on your foot, it’s more about appearances. If you claim to be a Christian and you use that kind of language casually, it reflects badly on you, other Christians and even Christ. Not something anyone would really want, I wouldn’t think.
When playing sports, our coaches always told us when we were a member of the team our actions represented the entire team and the school-in or out of uniform. I find that a good analogy to the Christian life. What we do in or out of Church reflects on our Church because we claim membership in that Church.
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Jerry_Marino
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went through the first page of this thread and none give a biblical answer so if one has in other pages just consider this as to why it’s wrong by God’s standard.
James 3:8 but no human being can tame the tongue. It is a restless evil, full of deadly poison. 9 With it we bless the Lord and Father, and with it we curse human beings who are made in the likeness of God. 10 From the same mouth come blessing and cursing. This need not be so, my brothers. 11 Does a spring gush forth from the same opening both pure and brackish water?
God bless
James 3:8 but no human being can tame the tongue. It is a restless evil, full of deadly poison. 9 With it we bless the Lord and Father, and with it we curse human beings who are made in the likeness of God. 10 From the same mouth come blessing and cursing. This need not be so, my brothers. 11 Does a spring gush forth from the same opening both pure and brackish water?
God bless
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m134e5
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D is considered wrong because only God can damn someoneNot that I would use them regardless, but I was curious why these words are generally considered wrong:
Damn
S-word
F-word
A-word
Any enlightenment would help. And please excuse my language, I don’t mean to actually use the words, just enquire about them. And also, if anyone could tell me which of those words are considered morally wrong by the Church herself, that would be helpful.
S is considered wrong because it’s vulgar slang and not appropriate for someone of class.
F is considered wrong because it is degrading to the sex act.
A is considered wrong because it’s vulgar slang and not appropriate for someone of class
Most of the time, cussing is just bad manners- not a sin, but it might get you kicked out of a really fancy restaurant or something. It is the sin of scandal if you do it in inappropriate places (church, in certain work environments, or in fancy restaurants, for example) or in front of people who it is inappropriate to do it in front of (nuns, or my grandparents, for example).
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bobzills
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I think it is a sin because it is against Scripture.
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WackBob
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I think it is a sin because it is against fancy resturants.
try adding some substance to your argument next time man, it sounds like a strawman.
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