Why are we divided as christians and sinners? aren't we all sinners

[raystar]

I’ve heard many different answers to this one, I don’t know which one is right anymore where do suicides go does anyone know of any scriptures for the answer.

let’s say if a 90 yrs old don’t have much of an appetite and slowly stave himself to death is that suicide? I say stave himself because he don’t eat much, his body loses strengh and waste away is what i mean.

if a heavy drinker is slowly drinking himself to death is that suicide?

if a person goes into a burning building to save a life knowingly well that one of them can be saved and it’s not going to be the one who went in to save the person he went inside to save. is he not knowingly killing himself? is that suicide? in this case Christ would condone it giving our life for another.

 

[cpayne]

I’ve heard many different answers to this one, I don’t know which one is right anymore where do suicides go does anyone know of any scriptures for the answer.

let’s say if a 90 yrs old don’t have much of an appetite and slowly stave himself to death is that suicide? I say stave himself because he don’t eat much, his body loses strengh and waste away is what i mean.

if a heavy drinker is slowly drinking himself to death is that suicide?

if a person goes into a burning building to save a life knowingly well that one of them can be saved and it’s not going to be the one who went in to save the person he went inside to save. is he not knowingly killing himself? is that suicide? in this case Christ would condone it giving our life for another.

Dear Raystar: The following is from the Catechism of the Catholic Church. Read it really, really carefully. Notice it does not minimize the gravity of suicide, deliberately rejecting the life God gave us, but it does offer some thoughts on hoping and praying for those who have committed suicide, especially in the last two paragraphs. May God bless your reading. Best, cpayne

Suicide

2280 Everyone is responsible for his life before God who has given it to him. It is God who remains the sovereign Master of life. We are obliged to accept life gratefully and preserve it for his honor and the salvation of our souls. We are stewards, not owners, of the life God has entrusted to us. It is not ours to dispose of.

2281 Suicide contradicts the natural inclination of the human being to preserve and perpetuate his life. It is gravely contrary to the just love of self. It likewise offends love of neighbor because it unjustly breaks the ties of solidarity with family, nation, and other human societies to which we continue to have obligations. Suicide is contrary to love for the living God.

2282 If suicide is committed with the intention of setting an example, especially to the young, it also takes on the gravity of scandal. Voluntary co-operation in suicide is contrary to the moral law.

Grave psychological disturbances, anguish, or grave fear of hardship, suffering, or torture can diminish the responsibility of the one committing suicide.

2283 We should not despair of the eternal salvation of persons who have taken their own lives. By ways known to him alone, God can provide the opportunity for salutary repentance. The Church prays for persons who have taken their own lives.

 

[puzzleannie]

again I don’t understand OP. The title seems to have nothing to do with the content of the post. any of the situations described could be sinful, and it would not matter what religion the sinner professed. Who says “we” are divided into Christians and sinners? There is no such division, as all are indeed sinners. The only difference is between those who know it, acknowledge it, repent of it and attempt to amend their lives, and those who deny it and persist willfully in their sins.

 

[StCsDavid]

I doubt there are any Catholics who really believe that they are not sinners. The human race is a fallen people. Sin is part of our reality that we could no more change than the air we breathe. Where we are divided is that many do not believe in the one Church Christ gave to humanity to come to Him. What exactly are protestants still protesting?