WHY are you NOT a Catholic?

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@JonNC So, I say that the existence of God and His general attributes can be known by reason alone (also that the doctrines of the Trinity and Incarnation conflict with what can be known about God in general). I assumed all this time that you were asking me to demonstrate this. But apparently, you wanted to know something about me personally? If so, why? What exactly do you want to know, and what does it have to do with anything?
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Just in case you missed my direct reply to your last reply.
 
Lovely. Now, will you answer my question?

Or maybe this one: Why should we accept your opinion about the attributes of God? That is all they are, your opinions.
 
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SHOCKER? hardly,

I recall some years ago listening to John McArther teach that “it;s OK to hate Catholics” and son on and so forth…

There is a marvelous book by the Founder of CAF entitled CATHOLICISM AND FUNDAMENTALISM… The ATTACK on 'Romanism" by Bible Christians

By Ignatius Press 1988. GOOGLE it and you may still be able to find it. Its objective, factual and informative

God Bless you,
Patrick
 
I guess I should have expected this, when you first stated your position on the intellect. But I guess your position on the intellect is the only way you can justify you errors. You should argue with a Wahhabi Muslim instead of me, since they too reject the intellect. You can quote your scriptures (which he doesn’t accept) at him, and he can quote his scripture (which you don’t accept) at you, and you can both do this until you’re blue in the face. You can assert that you’ve experienced the grace of the ‘Holy Ghost’, whereas he’ll accuse you of being deceived by Satan, then you can quote your scriptures and accuse him of having committed the unforgivable sin, but then he’ll quote his scripture and accuse you of having committed the unforgivable sin of shirk (because you believe in the Trinity). Sounds fun, doesn’t it?

You said you aren’t a Catholic, so I’m assuming you’re a Protestant. In that case, Catholics may accuse you of following nothing but your private interpretation of scriptures, which holds no authority whatsoever.
 
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I guess you have as much reason to trust me as you have to trust anyone over online forums. Who on earth goes to an online forum to converse with strangers, only in the end to ask why they should trust these strangers? You are simply doing this, because you refuse to engage your brain, and/or refuse to take into consideration/engage/contemplate, any of my points.
 
I am a life long and Informed Practicing Roman Catholic.

And nothing I said indicated that I reject "the intellect; to be claar I do not.

I frankly do have the time necessary to dialog with you. You just want to display your superiority, and I have better things to do.

Sincerely, GOD Bless you
Patrick
 
SalamKhan said:
I guess you have as much reason to trust me as you have to trust anyone over online forums. Who on earth goes to an online forum to converse with strangers, only in the end to ask why they should trust these strangers? You are simply doing this, because you refuse to engage your brain, and/or refuse to take into consideration/engage/contemplate, any of my points.
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It was a simple question.
You see, as soon as you claimed that the Trinity and Incarnation did not meet the attributes of God, I regard it as a self-serving position since you are Muslim. Hence, my point that why should we accept your understanding of the attributes of God.
 
Yes He did instruct to make the serpent on a pole, stone memorials, and the Cheribum over the ark. Look at the context. The ark was in the Holy of Holies which only the High Priest had access to. The alters were for offering sacrifices and the serpent was healing from their rebellion. They were told to look upon it or they’d die. They were never instructed to make statues or images for veneration. As aids of worship or to direct their minds. This is a troubling spot for me in my church as they have bigger than life portaits of “Jesus” hanging on the walls. The commandment prohibiting graven images for the purpose of worship is very clear. The intent of a statue is not what’s relevant. Remove the icon, statue, paintings and the issue of idolatry is suddenly a non issue.
 
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I find myself agreeing with you CourtingTex. I wouldn’t say I am not Catholic anymore (although I feel that some here would stand to differ) but I find myself having a much closer relationship with God and Jesus Christ than I ever have before in my life. I found myself wondering why / how to understand Catholic theology without having learned the foundation of Christianity first - the New Testament.
 
Patrick, that reply was for JonNC, not you.
 
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SalamKhan said:
I say that the existence of God and His general attributes can be known by reason alone (also that the doctrines of the Trinity and Incarnation conflict with what can be known about God in general).
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We can come to know that there is a God but reason alone. We can come to know what God is or is not by using reason to study the universe and determine what the artist is by virtue of the artwork. We cannot come to know who God is unless God reveals Himself to us.

Just like I can know that you exist because you are posting here. I can reasonably determine some things about you by the same means. I cannot know who you are unless you tell me more. No amount of studying you from the outside would tell me who you are if you did not communicate it to me yourself. I could guess a lot. But I could not know you unless you revealed yourself to me.

We are contingent beings. We cannot by our intellect alone comprehend fully the one we are contingent upon. To say otherwise would be to limit God. Catholicism does not allow for God to be limited. Our intellect is inferior to God’s, a necessity of being contingent.

If we are to know more about God than can be deduced by reason alone, it must be through Revelation — God revealing Himself to man.

God revealed Himself to mankind in His one perfect Word, Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is the fullness of God’s revelation of Himself to man.

We know of the Incarnation because it happened in time and space. It is a real event in history. God sent His only Son. He died for our sins and was raised from the dead for our salvation. Praised be Jesus Christ, both now and forever!

The Trinity is the truth of the One true God. It was revealed through Jesus Christ.

Neither could be known except through an act of God, revealing himself to man. Neither defy what is known about God through reason. Neither could be known by the intellect alone.

Just as I could not know what relationships you have in your life, and which are important to you, and what value you place on family, or work, or religion, unless you were to tell me.
 
PJM - Having studied both the claimed life of Muhammad and the more likely one given the research based mainly on Islamic texts themselves, and looked carefully at the context and timings of the rise and construction of Islam - again based mostly on Islam’s own texts, I strongly tend towards your perception of the lack of veracity of the ‘Islamic Allah’.
 
Study can equal TRUTH which is God’s Will for all of us

God Bless you
Patrick
 
Dale, your wife has no say in your spiritual journey. She is only in control of her own path. If you believe the Catholic Church represents the fullness of the Christian faith as you say you do, then return to your RCIA classes and become Catholic. She has the right to her views but does not have the right to keep you from joining the Church you have come to love so much.

All of us who are Catholic will keep you in our prayers.
 
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I will make this quick and simple if my family was catholic I wouldn’t be here. As my mom wouldn’t be here and my dad wouldn’t be here.
 
As the OP of this String, I’m compelled to ask: What the heck does that mean?

God Bless you,
Patrick
 
As the son of a Lutheran minster grandson of 2 and great grand son of 3. If they were catholic under your traditions I wouldn’t be here.
 
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