Why aren't Catholics involved in social justice?

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Forgive me for making this blanket statement; I just wanted a thread that caught the eye. šŸ˜‰ I have a terrific opportunity to do my grad school practicum at a faith-based homeless agency. The program is a really unique model with various churches in the area ā€œhostingā€ the families overnight with meals and a place to sleep for one week at a time. It’s a terrific way for people to really get involved and live out their faith. Of the more than 30 churches that are involved, I’m ashamed to say only two are Catholic. And this in an area with numerous, fairly affluent Catholic churches.

It’s definitely going to be my mission to ā€œrecruitā€ local Catholic churches to participate in this program. But I’m curious as to whether anyone has any insight why evangelical, protestant ā€œBibleā€ churches are jumping all over at the chance to serve in this program and help homeless families, when the Catholic parishes for the most part are fairly reluctant. Any thoughts?
 
Must be where you live. Here in San Diego, we’ve got a wonderful homeless shelter for families called the St. Vincent de Paul Center. Run by Fr. Joe Carroll, this center not only provides food and shelter for needy men and families, but they also have job training, and networks to any services that the family needs.

We also have at my parish the Mama Dee Social Outreach program, named after one of our favorite nuns at the church, Sr. Dolores Molina. They primarily collect food, clothing and monies to service for the poor not only here in the US side of the border, but often for the ophans down in Tijuana, Mexico. There are also tons of interfaith programs that our parish is involved with, including the SHARE program, Culture of Life, and such. And they don’t lack for volunteers, either.

We feel for the unfortunate here - but then, we have a lot of people in unfortunate situations. Maybe the Catholic churches where you are at are just not aware of your program - so it would be wonderful for you if you can meet with the different parishes and ā€œget the word out!ā€

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Here in Kansas City Kansas the Church and our parish are really involved!
Mike
 
GoRavens, if you need any help with recruitment, let me know.
 
Maybe because part of the Protestant agenda is to get them all saved.

Also, I think we’ve focused so much on the materially poor, we’ve forgotten that the wealthy need to be evangelized, too. If we can evangelize them properly, they will help take care of the poor. Maybe instead of focusing on the poor, the church needs to better instruct the affluent. Sounds greedy, but w/o their money we really can’t do much. So I say evangelize them first! —KCT
 
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Maybe because part of the Protestant agenda is to get them all saved.

Also, I think we’ve focused so much on the materially poor, we’ve forgotten that the wealthy need to be evangelized, too. If we can evangelize them properly, they will help take care of the poor. Maybe instead of focusing on the poor, the church needs to better instruct the affluent. Sounds greedy, but w/o their money we really can’t do much. So I say evangelize them first! —KCT
That’s an interesting point. After all, the greatest loss is not being poor and without material things - it’s being without Christ and rejecting his love. Thanks for the food for thought!
 
Catholics are indeed involved in social justice. We practially own the entire field in the pro-life movement, to note the most obvious example. This is not intended to slight the many non-Catholics who are also working for the right to life, which is truly the greatest social justice issue today.

I don’t know why those particular Catholic parishes in your area would decline to participate in the particular ministry you are associated with. That is something you would have to ask them. But I could suggest some possible reasons.

The program you describe sounds similar to one we have here in McHenry County, called PADS (Public Action to Deliver Shelter). During the cold months, seven churches take turns one night per week, to provide overnight shelter, supper, breakfast, a bag lunch, counseling, financial assistance, social services, physical and mental health services, transportation and other services for homeless persons. You might be interested in knowing that in our county two of the host churches are Catholic, two are Lutheran, one is Episcopalian, one is Methodist, and one is Congregational Unitarian. Other Catholic parishes, other non-Catholic churches, Synagogues and other non-Christian religious communities, civic organizations, and other organizations that do nor act as host sites still support this effort by donating money, food or other needed supplies, and parishioners and members from these churches and organizations all volunteer to cook and provide other assistance at the host sites.

This system works well, and really would not be better with more host sites (unless the number of homeless persons being served increased such that more space was necessary), because now the homeless clients know where to come every day of the week. Sunday evening is always Bethany Lutheran, Monday is always SS Peter and Paul (Catholic), Tuesday is always St Patrick (Catholic), etc. Scheduling more churches into the mix could cause confusion with homeless people going to the wrong site on the wrong days, which could be tragically dangerous in the winter.

The question could be asked why these churches volunteered to be host sites while others didn’t. The reasons could be many. Some don’t have enough space suitable to bed down upwards of a hundred people, segregated by men and women, with some separate spaces for parents with children. Others don’t have kitchen facilities adequate to feed this many people. Some are legally constrained by fire marshall occupancy codes, or, especially if there are also parochial schools on the premesis, laws or regulations forbidding persons who have not had criminal background checks from being on school grounds or in school buildings when children may be present (as children may in the evenings for sports practices or other extracurricular activities.) As has been noted before, many churches that do not act as host sites still support this program at those churches that do host it.

However, there are also some interchurch efforts that Catholic Churches in our area do not participate in, because some aspects of those interchurch efforts, which might otherwise be laudable, are in serious conflict with the Catholic Church. One example of this is an event called CROP walk, which is an event intended to raise money to feed the hungry, both locally and internationally, but which our Bishop has directed Catholic parishes, schools and other organizations in our diocese not to participate in or financially support because because CROP walk supports abortion and contraception:

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Catholics in our Diocese do participate in Operation Rice Bowl and other efforts to feed the hungry.

Another possible reason I could suggest that Catholic Parishes might not be involved in specific interchurch efforts is that some interchurch groups ask their members to affirm a statement of faith which may contain elements not compatible with Catholicism, and refuse to admit members who will not do so. There is, for example, a christian homeschooling group that I know of that has no Catholic families because member families have to affirm sola scriptura and sola fides.

Finally, Catholic parishes are not involved in some interchurch social justice efforts because some non-catholic churches just do not want to work with Catholics. I am aware of very few of these groups, but still it is their privilege to associate with whomever they wish.
 
Another aspect that we must consider is that social organizations and institutions have been established (including whole religious orders) to do this type of work and they do it well. It is not necessarily the responsibility of the parish itself to do that work. The mission of the local parish is a little different. However, in most non-catholic churches there is no other engine than the local church to do that work so it all falls to their responsibility.
 
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goravens:
Forgive me for making this blanket statement; I just wanted a thread that caught the eye. šŸ˜‰ I have a terrific opportunity to do my grad school practicum at a faith-based homeless agency. The program is a really unique model with various churches in the area ā€œhostingā€ the families overnight with meals and a place to sleep for one week at a time. It’s a terrific way for people to really get involved and live out their faith. Of the more than 30 churches that are involved, I’m ashamed to say only two are Catholic. And this in an area with numerous, fairly affluent Catholic churches.

It’s definitely going to be my mission to ā€œrecruitā€ local Catholic churches to participate in this program. But I’m curious as to whether anyone has any insight why evangelical, protestant ā€œBibleā€ churches are jumping all over at the chance to serve in this program and help homeless families, when the Catholic parishes for the most part are fairly reluctant. Any thoughts?
I can think of a dozen good reasons off the top of my head why my parish, for example, might not want to get involved in this ministry if it is not sponsored by the Diocese or another Catholic agency like Catholic Charities or a religious order:
Insurance and liability - the Church is a huge target for lawsuits on every topic imaginable, and if a parish participates in such a program it must be done with the permission of the bishop, because he has the ultimate legal liability.

Sponsorship: If the program has a protestant, evangelical or non-Christian sponsor, participants may be asked to sign or acknowledge a statement that conflicts with Catholic doctrine: for instance, a crisis pregnancy center here does admirable work, but its program includes mandatory evangelization in a fundamentalist sect for all volunteers and clients, so Catholics feel uncomfortable assisting and otherwise worthy program.

Duplication of existing programs - Catholic Charities or another agency may be running a program for the homeless already (in most major cities there are several sponsored by the diocese) and the diocese does not want to divert funds and volunteers from a program already in place meeting an existing need.

Recruitment - if the program targets individuals or families, the organizers may simply not have approached or reached out to Catholic congregations or families (or they may not be welcome, witness the Catholics recently rejected by an adoption agency in Alabama because of their religion).

I am sure there are more reasons, it may be just a matter of marketing and communication.

To say that because many Catholics in your locality do not volunteer for one particular program is a far cry from saying Catholics do not support social justice, and displays a woeful lack of knowledge of your own church history.
 
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goravens:
That’s an interesting point. After all, the greatest loss is not being poor and without material things - it’s being without Christ and rejecting his love.
Exactly! Once the affluent (or anyone for that matter) love Christ, one would hope that a spirit of stewardship would follow.

If you want the affluent parishes to support these ministries, you have to get them to love Christ first. —KCT (IMHO, of course!)
 
I think it really varies from parish to parish and diocese to diocese. To me it is primarily a leadership issue. If the parish priest, through the Bishop, is a champion for social justice issues, the parish is likely to be involved in them in abundance. If he is not, the parish likely will not take an interest.

I saw this first hand in our local parish. We had a series of priests who preached social justice responsibilities and were involved in the actual parish ministries in varying ways of support. Our current priest is all about personal piety, as reflected in his homilies, and almost totally neglects social justice issues. We now have more people at adoration, which is good, but all of the social justice ministries have collapsed. We personally now drive 45 minutes over the mountain to another church that is extremely involved because the pastor leads on almost all counts.

The poster who made the comment about the Catholic Church owning the social justice arena was essentially right. We have been at the forefront for centuries in establishing schools, hospitals, fair labor practices, etc. On the local level though, I suspect it has always been hit or miss, depending on leadership.

You might have to be the ā€œIsaiahā€ on this one in your area, reminding Catholics that the call to serve the ā€œwidows and orphansā€ is one of the most important, if not the most important, that He calls us to.

Peace be with you in this,
 
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puzzleannie:
I can think of a dozen good reasons off the top of my head why my parish, for example, might not want to get involved in this ministry if it is not sponsored by the Diocese or another Catholic agency like Catholic Charities or a religious order:
Insurance and liability - the Church is a huge target for lawsuits on every topic imaginable, and if a parish participates in such a program it must be done with the permission of the bishop, because he has the ultimate legal liability.

Sponsorship: If the program has a protestant, evangelical or non-Christian sponsor, participants may be asked to sign or acknowledge a statement that conflicts with Catholic doctrine: for instance, a crisis pregnancy center here does admirable work, but its program includes mandatory evangelization in a fundamentalist sect for all volunteers and clients, so Catholics feel uncomfortable assisting and otherwise worthy program.

Duplication of existing programs - Catholic Charities or another agency may be running a program for the homeless already (in most major cities there are several sponsored by the diocese) and the diocese does not want to divert funds and volunteers from a program already in place meeting an existing need.

Recruitment - if the program targets individuals or families, the organizers may simply not have approached or reached out to Catholic congregations or families (or they may not be welcome, witness the Catholics recently rejected by an adoption agency in Alabama because of their religion).

I am sure there are more reasons, it may be just a matter of marketing and communication.

To say that because many Catholics in your locality do not volunteer for one particular program is a far cry from saying Catholics do not support social justice, and displays a woeful lack of knowledge of your own church history.
The agency at which I’m doing my practicum is an interfaith agency which ascribes no particular evangelical or other religious belief. It’s a national model simply based on area faith groups supporting their homeless neighbors.

It is definitely not a duplication of programs. There’s only one other agency in the county that provides housing for homeless (in addition to other services), and it’s not a Catholic one.

The director of the agency I’m at is Catholic and has pursued the assistance of numerous Catholic parishes in the area with minimal luck. I’m really not sure why this is, as there is no similar opportunity for involvement in the immediate area and as I said before this is an area where many people have resources and time at their disposal. Which is of course why I posed the original question.

I should have stated my concerns more accurately - that I’m concerned with why Catholics in MY area aren’t participating in this program - but then again, I’m not sure as many people would have read this post if I’d had to phrase it that specifically. I very much realize that Catholics in general are involved in social justice, and I have no lack of knowledge in church history as my degree is in Catholic theology. Your comments toward me have been rather cutting lately, puzzleannie, though I do thank you for your insight otherwise.
 
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goravens:
Forgive me for making this blanket statement; I just wanted a thread that caught the eye. šŸ˜‰ I have a terrific opportunity to do my grad school practicum at a faith-based homeless agency. The program is a really unique model with various churches in the area ā€œhostingā€ the families overnight with meals and a place to sleep for one week at a time. It’s a terrific way for people to really get involved and live out their faith. Of the more than 30 churches that are involved, I’m ashamed to say only two are Catholic. And this in an area with numerous, fairly affluent Catholic churches.

It’s definitely going to be my mission to ā€œrecruitā€ local Catholic churches to participate in this program. But I’m curious as to whether anyone has any insight why evangelical, protestant ā€œBibleā€ churches are jumping all over at the chance to serve in this program and help homeless families, when the Catholic parishes for the most part are fairly reluctant. Any thoughts?
You cannot generalize from one particular example. Your question shows your lack of understanding about the mission and missionaries of the Catholic Church. There are thousands upon thousands of priests, brothers, religious, and lay persons involved in social justice ministries throughout our country and all over the world.

Don’t be so short sighted as to assume that Catholics aren’t involved in social ministry just because they aren’t involved in that particular ministry in that particular community. The particular parishes may feel called to put their talents to work in a different manner-- such as pro-life work or another ministry.

The Church takes very seriously the mission to clothe the naked, feed the hungry, care for the sick, visit those in prison, etc. Frankly, I find your post offensive and an affront to all those sisters and priests who have dedicated their entire life to Catholic healthcare, education, and ministry to the poor.

I suggest you open your eyes and look around you a little, and perhaps get more involved in a parish to understand what their particular social justice mission is.
 
p.s. This ā€œmodelā€ is not so new and not so ā€œprotestantā€. My parents hosted a refugee Polish family in the 1970s (fleeing from communism). This hosting program was sponsored by their Catholic parish and they hosted this family of 4 in their home for 2 YEARS, not a week.
 
Sorry but all the Catholic groups I know of ARE very involved in social justice. My kids grade schools and high schools all run some sort of social justice programs. They help at soup kitchens, have trips abroad to help folks in poor communities, etc
My dealings with the parish and the Kof C are all into various programs, we have our St Vincent De Paul society. The KofC collects for various charities, especially the mentally handicapped and the Pro-Life organizations. We support priests and missionaries to various countries, and give to all sorts of aid agencies…

Catholics as a group are among the most gererous and most responsive whenever there is a need either in the US or overseas. Our question is why are more non-Catholics NOT more charitable ???
 
to 1ke and wcknight, thanks for your posts. And please see my second post on this thread above which already responded to the concerns you raised. I apologize for the misnomer and confusion.
 
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goravens:
I should have stated my concerns more accurately - that I’m concerned with why Catholics in MY area aren’t participating in this program - but then again, I’m not sure as many people would have read this post if I’d had to phrase it that specifically. I very much realize that Catholics in general are involved in social justice, and I have no lack of knowledge in church history as my degree is in Catholic theology. Your comments toward me have been rather cutting lately, puzzleannie, though I do thank you for your insight otherwise.
thanks for the additional information on your situation, obviously we can only comment based on what you give us. If you regard a thoughtful reply, which you solicited, as being personally ā€œcuttingā€ I apologize. When I reply to a thread I seldom look at the name of the poster, so usually am not responding to a person, but to a question. You asked for reasons why people do not become involved in a particular outreach, and I attempted to give some reasons. Cannot imagine how this came across as a personal attack, but if it did, please allow me to grovel appropriately. The original question seemed posed in a very general way, applying to all Catholics, not to specific people in your area, therefore a lot of the initial replies you got were probably not very helpful.
 
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goravens:
to 1ke and wcknight, thanks for your posts. And please see my second post on this thread above which already responded to the concerns you raised. I apologize for the misnomer and confusion.
Thanks for the clarification. However, I again urge you to consider that God calls each person, and perhaps communities such as parishes, according to His Will when it comes to ministry and charisms.

I think to ask this question of why Catholics are not involved in this particular ministry is to make the judgment that they ā€œshouldā€ be. That is a judgment I never make.

My personal calling is pro-life work, and I sidewalk counsel at Planned Parenthood. This is not easy, nor do I particularly like doing it, but it’s what I’ve been given to do. I have asked friends and family to come out with me to pray. They do not come. But, I NEVER judge them for it. It’s not their charism. Some of these same people give tons of time, talent, and treasure to ministries I just don’t feel called to do-- like visiting prisoners in the county jail, volunteering at the local museum, volunteering as a mentor/tutor for school kids.

All of these things serve the universal mission of the Church. As St. Paul so eloquently stated, we are many parts and all one body.

Don’t be too hard on the Catholics in your community until you get to know them and know what good they may be (quietly and unknown to you) doing.
 
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