Why aren't liberal environmentalists happy about expensive oil?

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Corporations are receiving tax breaks that were designed to encourage them to keep their businesses here, to keep prices down, to explore alternatives to high priced goods…how well has that worked out? These corporations passed those lovely tax savings on to their shareholders and not much else.

Tax breaks are a gift from the government and if that isn’t welfare I don’t know what it is.
Tax breaks are not a gift from the govt. How can taking less of MY money be condidered a “gift”
 
Tax breaks are not a gift from the govt. How can taking less of MY money be condidered a “gift”
are you a CEO of a major corporation? Have you received a tax break in order to keep your company here? have you received a tax break to build in a certain area? Have you received a tax break in the form of eminent domain or the retention of the sales taxes you collect? Have you received a tax break to invest in alternative forms of energy or lower costs of drugs?

There is a vast difference between the kind of tax breaks that most working Americans receive in the form of deductions or even the stimulus checks that some of us received and the kind of breaks given to major corporations like Exxon, Archer Daniels Midland or even Walmart.
 
are you a CEO of a major corporation? Have you received a tax break in order to keep your company here? have you received a tax break to build in a certain area? Have you received a tax break in the form of eminent domain or the retention of the sales taxes you collect? Have you received a tax break to invest in alternative forms of energy or lower costs of drugs?

There is a vast difference between the kind of tax breaks that most working Americans receive in the form of deductions or even the stimulus checks that some of us received and the kind of breaks given to major corporations like Exxon, Archer Daniels Midland or even Walmart.
I do own my own business although not multi-national we are multi-state(if that matters)

Lets me give you an example . Say I make $100 dollars and the govt decided to tax me for $60 of it. Next year they decide they are going to tax me only $50. So I get to keep $10 more of MY money. How is that a gift?

It does not mattter what “reason” they give for taking less of my money -the point is letting me keep my money is not a gift. Period.
 
are you a CEO of a major corporation? Have you received a tax break in order to keep your company here? have you received a tax break to build in a certain area? Have you received a tax break in the form of eminent domain or the retention of the sales taxes you collect? Have you received a tax break to invest in alternative forms of energy or lower costs of drugs?

There is a vast difference between the kind of tax breaks that most working Americans receive in the form of deductions or even the stimulus checks that some of us received and the kind of breaks given to major corporations like Exxon, Archer Daniels Midland or even Walmart.
BTW-the stimulus check is welfare. The govt takes taxpayer money and makes an arbitrary decsion on who to give it to.
 
I do own my own business although not multi-national we are multi-state(if that matters)

Lets me give you an example . Say I make $100 dollars and the govt decided to tax me for $60 of it. Next year they decide they are going to tax me only $50. So I get to keep $10 more of MY money. How is that a gift?

It does not mattter what “reason” they give for taking less of my money -the point is letting me keep my money is not a gift. Period.
I look at taxes as my payment for services rendered. I receive a lot of things as a citizen of this country and I really don’t object to paying for most of them. If I don’t like what my money is going towards then it is my responsibility to vote for people who will direct it in a way that I like better.
 
Why would it matter? If you consider tax dedcutions to be a “gift” how can you consider a stimulus check to be anyhting other than welfare.?
It is welfare-never said it wasn’t. It was a gift to stimulate the economy-jury is still out on how well that’s going to work. Most of mine is going towards bills and being put away to pay for gas.
 
I look at taxes as my payment for services rendered. I receive a lot of things as a citizen of this country and I really don’t object to paying for most of them. If I don’t like what my money is going towards then it is my responsibility to vote for people who will direct it in a way that I like better.
And if you dont like the tax dedcutions people get you vote for people who will do away with them. But please dont claim getting to keep more of the money one makes is a "gift " from the Govt.
 
It is welfare-never said it wasn’t. It was a gift to stimulate the economy-jury is still out on how well that’s going to work. Most of mine is going towards bills and being put away to pay for gas.
I wont get mone until November so Ill probably use it for Christmas.
 
Why can’t we drill for the oil that we have? Too many people want to see us down and out.
Why can’t we build bigger refineries?
Why does oil cost so much? Who is really reeking in BIG profits. Our American oil companies. Yes. but they have set aside money for exploration and finding alternative sources of power but are told they can’t because they might harm the environment. The environmentalist would rather hurt people than animals witness their stand on not harming animal eggs. But most of them are for abortion.
 
Is it also a sin that they pay tens of billions of dollars in federal taxes?
Businesses may actually send money to the government in the form of a tax payment, but the money really comes from you and me every time we buy something from a business. It’s added to the cost of the product we purchase. So not only are we paying our own taxes, we are also really paying every business’s taxes as well. Double taxation 😦
 
Why can’t we drill for the oil that we have? Too many people want to see us down and out.
Why can’t we build bigger refineries?
Why does oil cost so much? Who is really reeking in BIG profits. Our American oil companies. Yes. but they have set aside money for exploration and finding alternative sources of power but are told they can’t because they might harm the environment. The environmentalist would rather hurt people than animals witness their stand on not harming animal eggs. But most of them are for abortion.
We can’t drill for oil because our illustrious Liberal Congress [Democrats plus a handful or two of liberal Republicans … so-called Rino’s] has consistently voted against it. The remedy is obvious … vote all the Liberals [all the Democrats … who vote as a solid bloc … plus the Rino’s] OUT … and vote in a solid Conservative Republican majority. No more Arlen Spector’s or Olympia Snow’s.

Refineries require permits … lots of luck getting one of those permits!

AND, the organizations that file the lawsuits protesting permits … are funded by our illustrious Congress!

And, in some midwestern state or other a judge (or maybe a couple of judges) just ruled that they can’t burn coal.

So, we are being ruled … not by the ballot box … but by a couple of judges. Sort of like a dictatorship.
 
It seems to me that one effective way to reduce the use of a given commodity is to raise the price.
We’re not using less oil. The price is high for a number of reasons, one of which is the very high demand for oil in the world. More oil is being used than ever before.
 
I didn’t understand why the democratic Senators were so angry at the oil executives during the last hearing. These people all claim to want to reduce the use of oil in order to save the environment. It seems to me that one effective way to reduce the use of a given commodity is to raise the price.
or vice versa

But as the Bourbons found out, if the Senate’s response to high prices was “let them eat solar” they would be out on their ears next election cycle.

Politicians have to be seen to be doing something
It shows a lot of hypocrisy to claim to want 2 $ per gallon oil and reduce the use of oil simultaneously. That really can’t be done.
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Wouldn’t a low demand cause a drop in prices?
 
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