Why aren't Orthodox regarded as "Protestants?"

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Vaseljen said:
If that is so, then that means that the gates of hell have prevailed the True Church, and that Lord Jesus Christ failed with His promise about the gates of hell. The one Church is fully true, we all believe that is our Church.
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By your own words you are saying the Eastern Churches are these gates of Hell. This cannot be and I am sure you do not mean this. Perhaps instead of looking at the gates of hell in this try to see the unity which God seeks from us will offset whatever hell that tries to disunite us.
 
chimo said:
I did not say that the Catholic Church or the Eastern Churches were in error. Read my post again. What I said they were certain lacking of teachings in both Churches which would be completed by either Church. Let me explain using this model. In any family with children the better situation for children to be brought up is to have one parent very good in disciplining and the other parent very good in mentoring/nurturing. If both parents are only good at disciplining than the children are going to have a rough time. Now if this works in family then it must work also in our Churches. God has established the disciplinarian parent as the Catholic Church. It is very easy to understand why. The Catholic Church has his detailed disciplined catechism. The Eastern Churches do not. Why? It is because the structure of the Eastern Churches is geared to mentoring/nurturing not to disciplining as is the Catholic Church. The mentoring/nurturing parent is the Eastern Churches. What then is lacking in both Churches is the strengths of both Churches. The disciplining structure is somewhat lacking in the Eastern Churches while the mentoring/nurturing structure is somewhat lacking in the Catholic Church. It seems to me by this definition of our own Church structures we were created to rely on the strengths of each other. God for a great reason to unify us made us incomplete. Do you understand now. I grew up within the disciplinarian structure of the Western Church. I know that it exists. When I started living in the Eastern Church I found out there is another virtue which the Eastern Church relies on more which is contained in the parental attribute of mentoring/nurturing. I found that both Churches exhibit the best qualities of what parental guidance involves which is disciplining and mentoring/nurturing.
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Interesting. Never heard an Orthodox explain it this way. You have given me food for thought. Thank you. :hmmm:
 
SAVINGRACE said:
Interesting. Never heard an Orthodox explain it this way. You have given me food for thought. Thank you. :hmmm:
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Not to “butt in” but I’d like to add that there are also a lot of Catholics who don’t accept the one-true-church idea.
 
Vaseljen said:
If that is so, then that means that the gates of hell have prevailed the True Church,
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chimo said:
By your own words you are saying the Eastern Churches are these gates of Hell.
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Possibly. Or perhaps Vaseljen meant to write “that the gates of hell have prevailed **against **the True Church” but forgot the word “against”. :hmmm:
 
Peter_J said:
Not to “butt in” but I’d like to add that there are also a lot of Catholics who don’t accept the one-true-church idea.
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Most Catholics I know are indifferent such as myself.

I do know some who are openly hostile to Orthodox but that is due to their limited personal experiences which was not positive. The only time I hear about a united Church with Orthodox is on here.

I already consider Orthodox a True Church, I view them as I view the Catholic Church so I don’t think there is a real need to be united. 🤷
 
SAVINGRACE said:
Most Catholics I know are indifferent such as myself.
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IC. I could try to convince you that you should believe the Catholic Church is the one-true-church … but I’d bet there are a few hundred Catholic posters who are more eager to do so than I am, so I won’t steal their thunder. 🙂
I do know some who are openly hostile to Orthodox but that is due to their limited personal experiences which was not positive. The only time I hear about a united Church with Orthodox is on here.
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I already consider Orthodox a True Church, I view them as I view the Catholic Church so I don’t think there is a real need to be united. 🤷
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I guess I would say “I’d like the Orthodox to be ICWR (In Communion With Rome, for anyone who isn’t into abbrev.)”, where I didn’t say “want” because it would be their decision. (Just as the Orthodox, presumably, would like me to be “not ICWR”, but that would be my decision and not theirs.)
 
SAVINGRACE said:
Most Catholics I know are indifferent such as myself.

I do know some who are openly hostile to Orthodox but that is due to their limited personal experiences which was not positive. The only time I hear about a united Church with Orthodox is on here.

I already consider Orthodox a True Church, I view them as I view the Catholic Church so I don’t think there is a real need to be united. 🤷
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The Orthodox church(es) are true churches in the sense that they possess valid sacraments, and have a valid succession, but that doesn’t mean they are the one true Church. There is but one Church which has all four marks, and that is the Catholic Church.

What you espouse is what is known as religious indifferentism, which was condemned by Pope Pius IX in his encyclical, Syllabus of Errors.
 
firstNicholas12 said:
The Orthodox church(es) are true churches in the sense that they possess valid sacraments, and have a valid succession, but that doesn’t mean they are the one true Church. There is but one Church which has all four marks, and that is the Catholic Church.

What you espouse is what is known as religious indifferentism, which was condemned by Pope Pius IX in his encyclical, Syllabus of Errors.
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I don’t consider it religious indifferentism. I view them differently to Protestants. I don’t think it’s that important to unite with Orthodox. I’m more concerned about leading Protestants and lax Catholics back to the Church, I think that is where the urgency lies.
 
SAVINGRACE said:
I don’t consider it religious indifferentism. I view them differently to Protestants. I don’t think it’s that important to unite with Orthodox. I’m more concerned about leading Protestants and lax Catholics back to the Church, I think that is where the urgency lies.
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But it’s easier to get the Orthodox to come into communion with Rome – well, according to one theory anyhow. I don’t think it has been proven.
 
SAVINGRACE said:
I don’t consider it religious indifferentism. I view them differently to Protestants. I don’t think it’s that important to unite with Orthodox. I’m more concerned about leading Protestants and lax Catholics back to the Church, I think that is where the urgency lies.
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Since the dogma of EENS requires one to be institutionally incorporated into the Church (at least the strict reading of it), it is important that we should seek to bring them into communion with us.
 
firstNicholas12 said:
Since the dogma of EENS requires one to be institutionally incorporated into the Church (at least the strict reading of it), it is important that we should seek to bring them into communion with us.
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Can’t speak for SAVINGRACE, but I care more what the Catholic Church says about EENS than I care about a post on CAF.
 
Peter_J said:
Can’t speak for SAVINGRACE, but I care more what the Catholic Church says about EENS than I care about a post on CAF.
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Yes, I also prefer what the Church teaches about EENS, instead of non-arguments on CAF.

Like Unam sanctam (1302), Cantate Domino (1441), and Syllabus errorum 17-18 (1864)
 
firstNicholas12 said:
Yes, I also prefer what the Church teaches about EENS, instead of non-arguments on CAF.
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👍 I didn’t realize we agreed on that point. Do you get as aggravated as I do when people say things like “Someone posted Blank on catholic.com, so that proves that Blank is the Catholic position”?
 
Peter_J said:
As I have said on similar occasions, people might want to take the occasional break from CAF to read something like Uniatism, Method of Union of the Past, and the Present Search for Full Communion.

vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/chrstuni/ch_orthodox_docs/rc_pc_chrstuni_doc_19930624_lebanon_en.html
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firstNicholas12 said:
Like Unam sanctam (1302), Cantate Domino (1441), and Syllabus errorum 17-18 (1864)
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🙂

I guess I’ll let our readers decide for themselves. :cool:
 
Vaseljen said:
Because Orthodox teach and practice what Rome used to teach and practice. Literally. All differences between Rome and Orthodox were made by the Rome’s side. QUOTE]

Which ‘Orthodox’ church do you belong to please and can you tell me their teaching on purgatory, contraception and remarriage. Christ founded His Church upon a Rock, Peter, the Bishop of Rome, and promised that the gates of hell would not prevail against her. May the Lord open your eyes to your error and grant you the grace to accept the truth.
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Protestantism is a particular kind of heresy but not all heretics are Protestants. A Catholic who rejects the sinfulness of contraception is a heretic but not a Protestant.
 
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Vaseljen;13549561:
Because Orthodox teach and practice what Rome used to teach and practice. Literally. All differences between Rome and Orthodox were made by the Rome’s side. QUOTE]

Which ‘Orthodox’ church do you belong to please and can you tell me their teaching on purgatory, contraception and remarriage. Christ founded His Church upon a Rock, Peter, the Bishop of Rome, and promised that the gates of hell would not prevail against her. May the Lord open your eyes to your error and grant you the grace to accept the truth.
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St Peter was the bishop of Antioch. And the Church is not about the cities anyway, the Church is about the true teaching and communion with the local Orthodox bishop who is in communion with other Orthodox bishops, who are in communion with God. There is no super bishop in the Church. There is no bishop of bishops, there never was before 1054.
East never accepted purgatory.
East always practiced divorce, even Christ Himself allowed it.
Contraception? Why you Roman-Catholics are so much in to other people’s sex, you made legalism everywhere, now you enter people’s bedrooms with your laws that 99% of your baptized members don’t respect.
Orthodox Church teaches that sex outside the marriage is a sin, all sex which has no intention for procreation is imperfect. What you try to point out is economia certain local synods did for the salvation of the People, because of enormous abortion rate in Russia during economic crisis, when people there worked entire month for few dollars, People came out after 80 years of communism, complete atheism. Church there said it is better to use condoms than to abort unborn children. That is not dogma of the Church, Orthodox Church does not have dogmas about how people should have sex. Give the couples some privacy.
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