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CopticChristian
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You judge a book that has value to some, in particular the author? Who are you to presume upon God and declare whatever it is that is part of His creation to be fragile and mortal?
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CopticChristian
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This is a Protestant evangelist believing that they are bringing something new and wonderful that none of us on this site know or have heard. There will be no meaningful discussion with this person. There will be snide remarks.
The entire focus is to direct attention to Sola Scriptura and the subsequent tenets thereof. The tragedy is that this dolt does not know that there are no original scriptures and the best that they can offer is sola translation. That will come up later. Patience. Pay attention to the continued attempt by wattaboy to get there.
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CopticChristian
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Since you are Protestant and you should know that the Catholic priests Zwingli, Knox, Luther and a Catholic Lawyer are responsible for what you have learned, you should also know that they spent a great deal of time reading Augustine.
Here is something Augustine wrote about leading people to faith.
Chapter 1.— How Augustine Writes in Answer to a Favor Asked by a Deacon of Carthage
You can see that a learned man, knowing the bible, did not lead people directly to the bible. His book may not have been a best seller at the time however I would guage his ability to lead people to Christ much better than your approach.The narration is full when each person is catechised in the first instance from what is written in the text, In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth, on to the present times of the Church. This does not imply, however, either that we ought to repeat by memory the entire Pentateuch, and the entire Books of Judges, and Kings, and Esdras, and the entire Gospel and Acts of the Apostles, if we have learned all these word for word; or that we should put all the matters which are contained in these volumes into our own words, and in that manner unfold and expound them as a whole. For neither does the time admit of that, nor does any necessity demand it.
I certainly do not blame you for your impudence, ignorance, and lack of knowledge and understanding. You learned the Catholic faith from those that departed from the faith and as a result your knowledge is incomplete and unfullfilled. Do realize that you did learn what you know from Catholics, deranged Catholics, but Catholics nevertheless.
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benedictus2
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For those who have a more solid understanding of Sola Scriptura and Sola Fide, I think the conversion story that goes deeper into the theology of it is Francis Beckwith’s Return to Rome. Rome Sweet Home is much more readable but if you want a more thorough analysis of the errors in the doctrine, then read Beckwith’s book. It goes into detail in the latter half of the book.
I also recommend Surprised by Truth as it gives different perspectives but all pointing to the Truth that the Catholic Church is the Church that Christ established on earth.
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benedictus2
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Which it so happens has been instrumental in converting quite a few people. God has used Scott and Kimberly, so yes, God has used mortal tools.
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Miriam1947
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@The GreyPilgrim, when I click the direct link in your sig, I get a very weird unreachable url.
When I cut and paste it, I end up at the forum you are linking to:
forums.catholic-convert.com/
I have no clue what is happening or why.
This is what I get when I click on the link in your sig.
DCF%20forums/
Safari can’t open the page.
Safari can’t open the page “DCF%20forums” because the page’s address isn’t valid.
When I cut and paste it, I end up at the forum you are linking to:
forums.catholic-convert.com/
I have no clue what is happening or why.
This is what I get when I click on the link in your sig.
DCF%20forums/
Safari can’t open the page.
Safari can’t open the page “DCF%20forums” because the page’s address isn’t valid.
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De_Maria
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The advantage of the Catholic Church to all other religions is in the Sacraments of Jesus Christ.
What we share with the whole world is the Natural Law written in our hearts.
What we share with the Jews and Non Catholic Christians, are the Ten Commandments. The Law of God. Scripture says:
Acts 10:33-35
King James Version (KJV)
33Immediately therefore I sent to thee; and thou hast well done that thou art come. Now therefore are we all here present before God, to hear all things that are commanded thee of God.
34Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
35But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
And also:
Revelation 22:14
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Therefore, the Natural Law is the salvation method common to all people.
The Ten Commandments constitute the salvation method common to all believers in the Judeo/Christian God.
However, Catholics (and the Orthodox) have maintained the Traditions of Jesus Christ, especially the Mass and the Sacraments. Although some of the Protestants have maintained the Sacrament of Baptism, they have discarded all the rest.
And it is only through the Sacraments that we enter in:
Hebrews 12:23
To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
For it is not by any works of righteousness which we do, nay not even faith, which is a work:
John 6:28-30
King James Version (KJV)
28Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
29Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
30They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?
Faith is believing and believing is a work.
No it is by the mercy of God through the washing of regeneration and the renewal of the Holy Spirit:
Titus 3:5
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Yes, the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Ghost is an explicit description of Baptism.
But the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Ghost is also an implied description of every single Sacrament. Because in all the Sacraments we are bathed in the washing of the Holy Spirit which washes away our sins as we call on the name of our Lord.
And the Sacraments therefore are the reason why you and your friend should become Catholic.
Sincerely,
De Maria
What we share with the whole world is the Natural Law written in our hearts.
What we share with the Jews and Non Catholic Christians, are the Ten Commandments. The Law of God. Scripture says:
Acts 10:33-35
King James Version (KJV)
33Immediately therefore I sent to thee; and thou hast well done that thou art come. Now therefore are we all here present before God, to hear all things that are commanded thee of God.
34Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
35But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
And also:
Revelation 22:14
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Therefore, the Natural Law is the salvation method common to all people.
The Ten Commandments constitute the salvation method common to all believers in the Judeo/Christian God.
However, Catholics (and the Orthodox) have maintained the Traditions of Jesus Christ, especially the Mass and the Sacraments. Although some of the Protestants have maintained the Sacrament of Baptism, they have discarded all the rest.
And it is only through the Sacraments that we enter in:
Hebrews 12:23
To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
For it is not by any works of righteousness which we do, nay not even faith, which is a work:
John 6:28-30
King James Version (KJV)
28Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
29Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
30They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?
Faith is believing and believing is a work.
No it is by the mercy of God through the washing of regeneration and the renewal of the Holy Spirit:
Titus 3:5
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Yes, the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Ghost is an explicit description of Baptism.
But the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Ghost is also an implied description of every single Sacrament. Because in all the Sacraments we are bathed in the washing of the Holy Spirit which washes away our sins as we call on the name of our Lord.
And the Sacraments therefore are the reason why you and your friend should become Catholic.
Sincerely,
De Maria
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attaway
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The Latter Day Saints also have a book used to convert people. Did God use this book as well?
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attaway
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No protestant evangelist here my friend, but nice try at a tarnishing job. So far the only "snide"remarks are from you guys.This is a Protestant evangelist believing that they are bringing something new and wonderful that none of us on this site know or have heard. There will be no meaningful discussion with this person. There will be snide remarks.
The entire focus is to direct attention to Sola Scriptura and the subsequent tenets thereof. The tragedy is that this dolt does not know that there are no original scriptures and the best that they can offer is sola translation. That will come up later. Patience. Pay attention to the continued attempt by wattaboy to get there.
I will admit that Sola Scriptura has and will always be a thorn in your side. But that’s not my point here even though you try to make it so.
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CopticChristian
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What is your point my Protestant friend?
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CopticChristian
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You are either ignorant, flippant, or blinded by your sola scriptura mind so that you do not see the inference you put here. Mormons emanated from Protestant thought. This is your baby not the offspring of the Catholic Church. You imply, infer that what Mormons use is equivalent to a book offered for education. If you are so dumb then let me help you.
King James Bible, Pearl of Great Price, Book of Mormon and Doctrines & Covenant are considered Mormon scripture.
The Bible is considered Scripture by the One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church. Zwingli, Calvin, Luther, Knox who were all Catholic took that knowedge with them when they departed from the Body of Christ and this is how you learned about Scripture through Protestant thought.
I cannot believe that you do not have the ABC’s down. Why I had to waste time to do this is beyond me.
Your snide remark is suggesting that The Church equated Rome sweet Rome with Scripture.
If you read the book you would find that Scott Hahn read scripture, studied scripture, taught scripture and is now teaching as a Theologian at Franciscan University as a Catholic, He was a Presbyterian minister, much smarter than you or I and could not maintain the erroneous belief of Sola Scriptura. He realized as should you that it is not the Bible alone, it is the Bible and the Church, not the Bible or the Church.
Your ignorance is showing.
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attaway
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And protestant thought emanated from Catholic thought, (at least according to you), so it appears it is your baby…
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CopticChristian
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Wow. You are dense. If a child has a child then that second child is not related as the first is. In this case, according to me, history, the world at large and not clear in your small mind the Protestant baby is a child that had a baby. Mormonism would be the baby of Protestant thought and would be considered a distant relative to the One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church most similar to that from which it came and less similar to the distant relative as is the case.
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attaway
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LOL! If the Catholic Church was the mother Church, then Mormonism and all off shoots of protestantism is your grand-baby, whether you like it or not.Wow. You are dense. If a child has a child then that second child is not related as the first is. In this case, according to me, history, the world at large and not clear in your small mind the Protestant baby is a child that had a baby. Mormonism would be the baby of Protestant thought and would be considered a distant relative to the One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church most similar to that from which it came and less similar to the distant relative as is the case.
Own up to your responsibilities man! LOL!
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CopticChristian
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17 posts in Do Catholics worship Mary and you learned nothing. This post was closed. You have gone from Trial membership to account under review. You are your own worst enemy. Your thorn is your thorn. You do not come here to learn. You should be wary that everything you post is written and as it is written will come back to haunt you.
Repent for the kingdom of God is at hand…which means Change your mind for the kingdom of God is at hand.
Come gather round people, wherever you roam, and admit that the waters around you have grown, and soon your poor body will be drenched to the bone, for the times they are a…
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The_GreyPilgrim
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I fixed it now. Thanks!
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Miriam1947
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Works great! Thanks.
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benedictus2
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If you are arguing against my premise then you are saying that the 95 Thesis, Martin Luther and his writings , your pastor, and every single protestant book, theologian and writer is a tool of the devil.But that kind of sense will probably just whizz past you.
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CopticChristian
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I believe that Attaway is under construction and not posting anymore. I am just grateful he did not send me a friend request. So far I have had 5 friend requests I accepted and now 3 are suspended.
But that kind of sense will probably just whizz past you.
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benedictus2
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Hmmm, decline if I send you one. I want to remain in this board a little while longer.I believe that Attaway is under construction and not posting anymore. I am just grateful he did not send me a friend request. So far I have had 5 friend requests I accepted and now 3 are suspended.
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