Why be Catholic??

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Your arguments are futile. There are literally dozens of photos showing Catholic clergy socializing and giving nazi salutes along with nazis and even Hitler himself. Refute that sir.

i’m still reading a book on Hitler… but so far, what i have read indicates that catholics were in favor of Nazi-ism (as was EVERYONE else, i might add… Protestants included) in the beginning… Later, it was another story… Pope Pius XII did what he could to protect Jews. The Vatican actually got a big load of gold together in order to pay for the lives of some Jews… (etc, etc.)…

Refute that sir…

 

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What difference does it make if a person says they are Catholic and commit murder. Are they living there faith. Shouldn’t Catholics and Protestants try to live like Christ. Isn’t Jesus the example we try to follow? I don’t look at Hitler as an example of what a Catholic is or what a Protestant is. I’m not Catholic, I don’t intend to became Catholic but from what I have seen if you follow their teachings you will be saved. I believe salvation is through Jesus Christ. Follow the teachings of Jesus try to live the beatitudes. We all fall short but we are saved by the blood of the Lamb.

If you follow Jesus, such following should lead you to His Church.
And He only established ONE…

 

[churchcamefirst]

i knew that… i just found out also that he was homosexual. big surprise…

he was also possessed… (my own prognosis)

Where does it say homosexual? He died with his mistress. Phychotic? Schizophrenic? Sociopath? Evil? Satan? Yes, but gay???

 

[PerryJ]

i’m still reading a book on Hitler… but so far, what i have read indicates that catholics were in favor of Nazi-ism (as was EVERYONE else, i might add… Protestants included) in the beginning… Later, it was another story… Pope Pius XII did what he could to protect Jews. The Vatican actually got a big load of gold together in order to pay for the lives of some Jews… (etc, etc.)…

Refute that sir…

Prior to becoming Pope Pius, he was the “ambassador”, I can not recall the exact title off of the top of my head, to Germany from the Vatican and he filed 55 condemnations against the Nazis. When made Pope the German’s were the only ones not to be represented in the ordination as they felt that he was a Jew lover. Hitler hated Pope Pius prior to him even becoming Pope.

 

[PerryJ]

Where does it say homosexual? He died with his mistress. Phychotic? Schizophrenic? Sociopath? Evil? Satan? Yes, but gay???

The rumor that he was gay has been around for many years. It has been thought that him and his mistress never actually consumated their relationship. Many believe she was more of a motherly figure to him. I do not believe any of this has been verified; however, the rumors persist.

 

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After the war many of the leading Jewish people publicly gave their gratitude to the Pope for saving hundreds of thousand of Jews. The Catholic Church under the direct charge of the Pope gave millions of dollars to underground groups that were saving Jewish people. To one group alone he donated 4 million dollars. In fact he personally hid 4,000 Jewish children at his estate. After the war the Jewish people gave him their highest honor as a “righteous gentile”.

wow… i knew Pius XII did things to help the Jews, but i didn’t know all this… Do you recall where you got this info?? I would like to read more…

I am reading this book on Hitler but you can tell the writer has a bias against the Church (oh wow… i am SO surprised!! )… I sometimes don’t even feel like finishing it because i now do not trust him…

for one thing, there is evidence Hitler was gay and many of the men in his SS, SA were also… yet no mention of this in the book. Rohm was supposed to have been killed (and his men) becaue Hitler was afraid they would “rat” about that (gay-ness)…

 

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The rumor that he was gay has been around for many years. It has been thought that him and his mistress never actually consumated their relationship. Many believe she was more of a motherly figure to him. I do not believe any of this has been verified; however, the rumors persist.

i googled Hitler/homosexuality…

i would like something a little more “reliable” but why would people make it up?? (Yeah, i know… don’t answer that… )

 

[churchcamefirst]

Does anyone hear really care if Hitler was gay or not?? I don’t. I care that he was the anti-Christ and an evil human being…not even human…very disturbed.

 

[SIA]

Prior to Pope Pious becoming Pope he officially condemned the Nazi regime 55 times. This was when he was the ambassador of the Vatican to Germany. These acts caused repercussions from Hitler. In fact when Pope Pious was ordained the German government strongly opposed it as Pope Pious was considered a “Jew” lover.

Once he became Pope and Hitler began his rain of terror of killing it was told to him by the German government that any negative actions by him would cause more deaths. As a result Pope Pious chose not to excommunicate Hitler. He also limited the number of speeches in which he directly confronted Hitler. In fact Hitler hated Pope Pious so much that he had plans created to kidnap him. The Pope knew of these plans; however, did not leave the Vatican. He instead had letters drawn that when kidnapped his papacy would end and that a new Pope would need to be selected. He did not want the Germans to be able to use him against the world.

After the war many of the leading Jewish people publicly gave their gratitude to the Pope for saving hundreds of thousand of Jews. The Catholic Church under the direct charge of the Pope gave millions of dollars to underground groups that were saving Jewish people. To one group alone he donated 4 million dollars. In fact he personally hid 4,000 Jewish children at his estate. After the war the Jewish people gave him their highest honor as a “righteous gentile”.

If Rome was so anti-Nazi as you claim, then why did they remain neutral amidst the horrific atrocities of the Nazis?

 

[SIA]

Hmmmm . . .
More ignorance from an atheistic site that endorses the writings of none other than the God-Hater du jour, Richard Dawkins**, no less.**

**Notice how it rarely mentions that the pictures with the Clergy and Nazi officials were takes in the **early 1930’s - before anybody had an inlking of the atrocities to come.

**Notice how it doesn’t mention the fact that Hitler was deeply involved in occultic practices as well as worship of Teutonic pagan gods, such as ****Odin ****and **Thor

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**By the way, the corcordat with Germany signed in 1933 was to protect the Church against Nazi aggression and provided for allowances for the Church to grow within Germany. It was no surprise that Hitler reneged on his promises and persecuted the Church in the following years. In 1937, Pope Pius XI issued the encyclical Mit brennender Sorge **(With Burning Concern). **
In the encyclical, Pius XI criticized Nazi philosophy and warned the German government to fulfill the terms of the Concordat. How did the Nazis respond? With a wave of priest trials **on trumped-up charges.
You just refuse to do your homework, don’t you, SIA??

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You probably Googled “Hitler” and “Catholic Church” and pasted the ugliest site you could find – not realizing that much of what is on this site is anti-Protestant as well.

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How convenient that you don’t mention how complicit the Protestant churches were at the time.
**According to your little hate-site, Hitler’s appointed Reich Bishop, Ludwig Mueller, **“sought to synthesize Nazi ideology and Protestant tradition and to agitate for a “people’s church” based on ‘good Aryan blood.’"

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Just as there were Catholic heroes who stood against the aggression of Hitler’s Nazi Party – there were also the Protestant heroes who championed the cause of religious freedom, such as the Pastors’ Emergency League.

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A little advice for you, SIA – if you’re going to try to spread your hate here, you’re up against a well-informed army of Defenders of the Faith. If you want to have** charitable ****dialogue – let us reason together. If you’re here just to spread more ignorant hatred - try selling your ****garbage **somewhere else.

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face it man, there are not one or two but literally dozens of photos showing the alliance between the RCC and the Nazis. Come on man, your argument is flimsy.

 

[elvisman]

face it man, there are not one or two but literally dozens of photos showing the alliance between the RCC and the Nazis. Come on man, your argument is flimsy.

Flimsy?? As flimsy as photos - photos without context?
You certainly have a lot of nerve - but not much more. Certainly not evidence.

You showed me photos - I came at you with facts. Facts that you can’t even argue against and you call that flimsy?

My, my, SIA . . . unsubstantiated photos. The last cry of the TRULY desperate. I already explained to you the facts surrounding the circumstances.

**Face it, SIA - you’re a hater - AND immature. You hate the Catholic Church - that’s your perogative, but why do you spend so much time coming to a Catholic site just to embarrass yourself? Certainly, you could find other means of entertainment. **

Answer me this, my angry friend - if the Catholic Church was in bed with the Nazis, why was Pius XII such a hero to the Jewish people?
Happy hunting . . .

 

[PerryJ]

If Rome was so anti-Nazi as you claim, then why did they remain neutral amidst the horrific atrocities of the Nazis?

How were they nuetral? They weren’t. The Pope did not excommunictae Hitler because he was told that additional lives would be lost if he did.

The Pope spent millions upon millions of dollars saving Jews.
The Catholic faith created fake baptisms cards for hundreds of thousands of Jews. They hid Jewish people even at the Pope’s retreats. All of this was done by direct order of the Pope. The leading Jews of the day all showed great gratitude to the Pope.

It easy for us to reflect back from our easy chair and say the Pope should have done this or that. The reality is the Pope was saving hundreds of thousands of Jews. Do you believe it would have been better to make a long speech excommunictae Hitler and cause the needless and horrific killing of more Jews? If you had a choice to run an underground to save lives or get on a pulpit and tell the world something that everyone already knew and it would cause the death of tens of thousands or more people what would you do? Put yourself in the Popes shoes. What would you have done? Your posts seem to say that you would have liked to make a speech and watch people exterminated. Is that what you really want?

 

[churchcamefirst]

Why does the Holocaust have to even fall on the shoulders of the pope anyway? This has nothing to do with him even though he saved hundreds of thousands of Jews. It was a government issue. But everyone must blame someone, even the pope.

 

[PerryJ]

wow… i knew Pius XII did things to help the Jews, but i didn’t know all this… Do you recall where you got this info?? I would like to read more…

I am reading this book on Hitler but you can tell the writer has a bias against the Church (oh wow… i am SO surprised!! )… I sometimes don’t even feel like finishing it because i now do not trust him…

for one thing, there is evidence Hitler was gay and many of the men in his SS, SA were also… yet no mention of this in the book. Rohm was supposed to have been killed (and his men) becaue Hitler was afraid they would “rat” about that (gay-ness)…

I believe it is “The Myth of the Hitler Pope” It was written by a Rabbi. I will try and bring in the authors name Monday.

 

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Does anyone hear really care if Hitler was gay or not?? I don’t. I care that he was the anti-Christ and an evil human being…not even human…very disturbed.

it only matters because it shows the depths of his depravity… True, we don’t need that info once we know what he did to the Jews…

but you know, there is no way he could have done that to the Jews if he had not had teh cooperation of his men and also of german citizens… no one fought him, to speak of… Most didn’t know waht he was doing to the Jews until the war was almost over… Still… many suspected… Some tried to kill Hitler… even one of his doctors tried to give him an o/dose of cocaine… was very surprised when it didn’t kill him… But demonically possessed people usually have super-human strength… (according to exorcists)