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I don’t understand what is the point in trying to convert people to Catholicism or for them to become Catholic? I am a practicing Catholic and have been since birth but when my issues of pride fade away and I realize that I am not better than other people I start to wonder, “If I am not better than these people, then why should they become Catholic if they are just as good as me and they aren’t even Catholic.”

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It is not about getting someone to accept your ideas or your beliefs…not a question of pride…

It is rather about true life in Christ. Their hearing the Gospel and coming to know Jesus of Nazareth and thus* true life* in him and thus in his Church.

And if they have already encountered Christ and are seeking to follow him via Faith and Baptism- our desire is that we all be one as he willed we be one.

And that our brothers and sisters in Christ to have the fullness of what Christ has given us and gives us.
 
So they may have true life and joy!

“If we are in relation with him who does not die, who is Life itself and Love itself, then we are in life. Then we “live”.”

~ Pope Benedict XVI (Spe Salvi)

w2.vatican.va/content/benedict-xvi/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_ben-xvi_enc_20071130_spe-salvi.html

“… there is one great Friend, who is the author of the joy of all and who fills our hearts with a joy that surpasses all other joys and lasts a lifetime: he is Jesus.”

~ Pope Benedict XVI

w2.vatican.va/content/benedict-xvi/en/speeches/2012/december/documents/hf_ben-xvi_spe_20121220_acr.html

]“Dear friends, today too the Risen One enters our homes and our hearts, even when, at times, the doors are closed. He enters giving joy and peace, life and hope, gifts we need for our human and spiritual rebirth. Only he can roll away those stones from the tombs in which all too often people seal themselves off from their own feelings, their own relationships, their own behaviour; stones that sanction death: division, enmity, resentment, envy, diffidence, indifference. Only he, the Living One, can give meaning to existence and enable those who are weary and sad, downhearted and drained of hope, to continue on their journey. This was the experience of the two disciples who were on their way from Jerusalem to Emmaus on Easter Day (cf. Lk 24:13-35). They were talking about Jesus but their sad looks (cf. v. 17), expressed their disappointed hopes, uncertainty and melancholy. They had left their homeland to follow Jesus with his friends and had discovered a new reality in which forgiveness and love were no longer only words but had a tangible effect on life. Jesus of Nazareth had made all things new, he had transformed their life. But now he was dead and it all seemed to be over.”

~ Pope Benedict XVI

“In Jerusalem they hear the news of Jesus’ Resurrection and, in turn, they recount their own experience, on fire with love for the Risen One who has opened their hearts to an uncontainable joy. As St Peter says, they were “born anew to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead” (cf. 1 Pet 1:3). Indeed, the enthusiasm of faith, love for the community, the need to communicate the Good News was reborn within them. The Teacher is risen and with him all life is reborn; witnessing to this event becomes an irrepressible need for them.”

~ Pope Benedict XVI

w2.vatican.va/content/benedict-xvi/en/audiences/2012/documents/hf_ben-xvi_aud_20120411.html

(such is not per se a matter of the emotions…tis deeper that such …though it can can does effect the emotions too at times…Christian joy though can exist even in great suffering…)
 
Hello,
What an awakening! To realize that you are not better than other folks. With that statement you have had to have let go of at least some pride-what a gift you’ve been given. Possibly your path of Catholicism has allowed you to understand this truth. Many folks of many different paths fail to ever come to this understanding. Stay safe.
 
Yeah, I appreciate your comments and I’m sure there is a reason but I just don’t understand your explanations.

For example, I just came home from Eucharistic Adoration and as I was pulling into my driveway. A neighbor who it is awkward to wave to as my pride gets in the way was driving by. My issues of pride prevented me from waving to him as he drove by but he was more humble and waved to me in a sincere matter. How can he be more humble than me when he and his family look like they are unbelievers? So there’s my point, what’s the point of him becoming Catholic when it already looks like he has me beat? The only explanation I can come up with is that maybe when all these unbelievers become Catholic they will be pretty darn close to being saints on earth.

P.S. - The only people I know I am better than are unpracticing Catholic’s who are in a state of Mortal Sin. They are the most evil. They deny everything; unbeliever’s listen.
 
I don’t understand what is the point in trying to convert people to Catholicism or for them to become Catholic? I am a practicing Catholic and have been since birth but when my issues of pride fade away and I realize that I am not better than other people I start to wonder, “If I am not better than these people, then why should they become Catholic if they are just as good as me and they aren’t even Catholic.”
Do you believe that God exists?
Do you believe that Jesus Christ is indeed the Living Son of God?

If so, do you believe that Jesus Christ could not and did not lie, that Christ spoke The Truth?
If so, then re-read, thoughtfully, these passages and justify as honestly as you can the reasons for not coming into and remaining in the Catholic Faith:. What reasons override what Christ said here?

Matthew 16: 15-19
Matthew 22: 36-40
John 6: 51-56
Luke 22: 19-20
John 20: 19-23
John 14: 23-26

I suggest that if you believe in Christ, you must do all you can to follow Him in the Way He set for us. Making excuses to travel some other path makes no sense.

Jesus, I trust in You.
 
Yeah, I appreciate your comments and I’m sure there is a reason but I just don’t understand your explanations.

For example, I just came home from Eucharistic Adoration and as I was pulling into my driveway. A neighbor who it is awkward to wave to as my pride gets in the way was driving by. My issues of pride prevented me from waving to him as he drove by but he was more humble and waved to me in a sincere matter. How can he be more humble than me when he and his family look like they are unbelievers? So there’s my point, what’s the point of him becoming Catholic when it already looks like he has me beat? The only explanation I can come up with is that maybe when all these unbelievers become Catholic they will be pretty darn close to being saints on earth.

P.S. - The only people I know I am better than are unpracticing Catholic’s who are in a state of Mortal Sin. They are the most evil. They deny everything; unbeliever’s listen.
Your confusing issues…

We are not enter into a state of salvation…by being good. Or humble.

We have life through Jesus Christ. It is gift …it is grace. Not something we earn our way into.

Now can a complete pagan be more “humble” than say a particular Christian? Yes sure.

That though has nothing to do with it…

(and we do not have a window into another persons soul …to know their state…)
 
And it is possible for those who do not know the name of Jesus or his Church to be saved…by Jesus in a way we do not know.

Our task is to bring them the good news of Jesus…
 
I don’t understand what is the point in trying to convert people to Catholicism or for them to become Catholic? I am a practicing Catholic and have been since birth but when my issues of pride fade away and I realize that I am not better than other people I start to wonder, “If I am not better than these people, then why should they become Catholic if they are just as good as me and they aren’t even Catholic.”

Thanks
Christianity isn’t about “being good”. It’s about having faith and being a disciple of Christ. It’s about salvation and bringing the whole world into the way things should be which is for now, the Catholic Faith which will lead to the redemption of this world at the end of time.

Why be catholic? Because it’s what God wants.

Because being catholic is synonymous with “truth”.
 
Yeah, I appreciate your comments and I’m sure there is a reason but I just don’t understand your explanations.

For example, I just came home from Eucharistic Adoration and as I was pulling into my driveway. A neighbor who it is awkward to wave to as my pride gets in the way was driving by. My issues of pride prevented me from waving to him as he drove by but he was more humble and waved to me in a sincere matter. How can he be more humble than me when he and his family look like they are unbelievers? So there’s my point, what’s the point of him becoming Catholic when it already looks like he has me beat? The only explanation I can come up with is that maybe when all these unbelievers become Catholic they will be pretty darn close to being saints on earth.

P.S. - The only people I know I am better than are unpracticing Catholic’s who are in a state of Mortal Sin. They are the most evil. They deny everything; unbeliever’s listen.
Perhaps you are beginning to realize you need to conform your heart to Christ.
 
To remain in the friendship of God is a tremendous gift.
It seems you have more much to discover about your faith then! 😃 Come into a fuller understanding of what it is to be a child of God, and how you can draw down grace upon the world. A world desperate for grace. When you get plugged in, power is released upon people, situations, events. The grace I wish for you! There’s more than what you’ve experienced so far.
 
“Being Christian is not the result of an ethical choice or a lofty idea, but the encounter with an event, a person, which gives life a new horizon and a decisive direction.”

~ Pope Benedict XVI Deus Caritas Est
 
Yeah, I appreciate your comments and I’m sure there is a reason but I just don’t understand your explanations.

For example, I just came home from Eucharistic Adoration and as I was pulling into my driveway. A neighbor who it is awkward to wave to as my pride gets in the way was driving by. My issues of pride prevented me from waving to him as he drove by but he was more humble and waved to me in a sincere matter. How can he be more humble than me when he and his family look like they are unbelievers? So there’s my point, what’s the point of him becoming Catholic when it already looks like he has me beat? The only explanation I can come up with is that maybe when all these unbelievers become Catholic they will be pretty darn close to being saints on earth.

P.S. - The only people I know I am better than are unpracticing Catholic’s who are in a state of Mortal Sin. They are the most evil. They deny everything; unbeliever’s listen.
Why do you think that others being better (or worse) than you is any gauge of whether or not they should be Catholic? If you are a poor example of a Catholic (not saying you are but you seem to think so), why would it be better for you, or they, to not be Catholic? How do you think it would help you or them to deny yourself and them all the spiritual benefits Christ has given to us in his Church? 🙂 It’s a form of pride to think you can’t be virtuous. Deny that pride–which is truly a spiritual problem that says God can’t make of me what he can make of others. He can, you know. You and I are no better and no worse than anyone else. It is God who makes us saints, with our cooperation, by his grace, not by our trying hard and judging ourselves unable. Jesus said that without him we can do nothing. So, rely on Jesus to be humble not on yourself. On our own we will fail because it takes supernatural grace to become saints.

You are making some pretty broad assumptions about yourself and others. This is a fatal mistake. We are never to judge anyone, ourselves included, by what we see (actually we think we see) in ourselves or in others. As for your neighor being more humble than you, why does he have to be more humble to wave at a neighbor? All he needs is natural goodness (which many have whether or not they believe because God created us good). We cannot rise above our natural good/bad attitudes/behaviors without the grace of God. God is pouring his grace on us all the time, but we have to cooperate with his grace and make use of it. Adoration will do you no good at all if you don’t let God’s grace work in your soul. You don’t need humility to wave at a neighbor you only need self-control. Simply raise your hand and wave no matter how much you like your neighbor or how indifferent you are to him. It’s a common courtesy not a test of humility.
 
I don’t understand what is the point in trying to convert people to Catholicism or for them to become Catholic? I am a practicing Catholic and have been since birth but when my issues of pride fade away and I realize that I am not better than other people I start to wonder, “If I am not better than these people, then why should they become Catholic if they are just as good as me and they aren’t even Catholic.”

Thanks
To belong to a Sacramental Church as the Catholic Church, the Orthodox Church or the Eastern Catholic Church is a joy beyond any other joy. You have received the power to trample over scorpions and demons as stated in the Gospels. Only Sacramental Christians can tap into the greatest power of the Universe which is contained in the Holy Eucharist. That power gives you the right to make this world a better place to live in if you will only are taught how to use that power. Remember that God activates us so that we can activate Him. God wants us to unleash Him into the direction of the world. He depends more on us than we could ever think upon. If we only learn how important we are to unleash the Holy Spirit we would never doubt how important it is for God to heal that part of mankind that is much need of it. We as Catholics, Orthodox and Eastern Catholics have been given authority by God to bring healing to this wounded humanity that is in need of it. God will not bring his healing unless it comes through us. That is why God is so dependent on those Christians who have recourse to His Sacraments. As we learn to become activated by the Lord we in turn need to activate the Lord Jesus and the Holy Spirit into the direction of the world. This power to set this world on Fire has its potential only into those Churches which celebrate the full potential of the Sacraments. People who do not adhere to the Sacraments are not going to heal this world in great numbers. The potential to heal mankind comes from those who attached themselves to the Sacraments and are taught to know how to unleash God through the Sacraments. When Russia was taken over by godless men and women what did God do to help heal what was going on in Russia. He sent His Holy Mother to ask the Catholic world because Catholics are connected to the Sacraments and by virtue of their connection to God in the Sacraments they have the power to unleash God into the world when they decide to pray. Prayer unleashed the Grace of God building it up until it became the right time to dismantle the Communist agenda. That is why it is a great honor and privilege to be a Catholic (or Orthodox or Eastern Catholic) as you have this power to move God to heal any part of the world. This world will never get healed in any other way.
 
“I believe in the … Holy Caholic Church, Communion of Saints, and I look forward to the Resurection of the body, and life everlasting. Amen”. -Creed

We are the Communion of Saints. As a whole, we make up the Mystical Body of Christ. We desire to unite all as Christ desires us all to be united. Without this, we are like His vomit And therefore separated from the Mystical Body. No person is created greater than another. Together, we are able to make happen whAt God will.

Yes it is important to have a personal relationship wih God; it is equally important to work as a comunity in a relationship with God. In a perfect place, God would not have to lead us through a hierarcal system, but due to our fallen nature, we need leadership to achieve Gods will here and now. We become catholic to stay with or brothers and sisters in Christ to make it through the desert and arrive at the promised land as a comunity. We grieve and sorrow those who do not make it and pray together for their good will.
 
"there are ten thousand reasons all amounting to one reason: that Catholicism is true." Chesterton

“What else is there?” Walker Percy
 
I don’t understand what is the point in trying to convert people to Catholicism or for them to become Catholic? I am a practicing Catholic and have been since birth but when my issues of pride fade away and I realize that I am not better than other people I start to wonder, “If I am not better than these people, then why should they become Catholic if they are just as good as me and they aren’t even Catholic.”

Thanks
Well, the most important reason to me is because Catholicism is true.

But the issue you mention above was addressed by C.S. Lewis decades ago. It’s in Mere Christianity. Of course, since C.S. Lewis wasn’t Catholic, he phrased it in terms of Christians and non-Christians, but the point is just as valid with Catholicism.
C. S. Lewis:
If Christianity is true why are not all Christians obviously nicer than all non-Christians? …] If conversion to Christianity makes no improvement in a man’s outward actions – if he continues to be just as snobbish or spiteful or envious or ambitious as he was before – then I think we must suspect that his ‘conversion’ was largely imaginary; and after one’s original conversion, , every time one thinks one has made an advance, that is the test to apply. Fine feelings, new insights, greater interest in religion mean nothing unless they make our actual behaviour better, just as in an illness ‘feeling better’ is not much good if the thermometer shows that your temperature is still going up. In that sense the outer world is quite right to judge Christianity by its results. …]

But there is another way of demanding results in which the outer world may be quite illogical. They may demand not merely that each man’s life should improve if he becomes a Christian: they may also demand before they believe in Christianity that they should see the whole world neatly divided into two camps - Christian and non-Christian - and that all the people in the first camp at any given moment should be obviously nicer than all the people in the second. This is unreasonable on several grounds.
I’m going to summarize those grounds in the interest of space. 🙂


  1. *]“The world does not consist of 100% Christians and 100% non-Christians.” Basically, we are all in the process of becoming either more or less Christian all the time–some people who call themselves Christians do not actually believe in Christ, and some people who do not consider themselves Christian are nonetheless strongly attracted to Christ, and a lot of people are just muddled up about what they believe. So it’s hard to make comparisons between Christians and non-Christians.

    *]Even when we are talking about two real (rather than hypothetical) people, we “must be careful to ask the right question.” We need to ask whether the Christian is better than he would be if he were a non-Christian. We all have inherited characteristics and aquired (through the circumstances of our lives) other characteristics that make us different from each other. I may be less agreeable than my unbelieving neighbor. “Christianity professes to put both temperaments under new management if they will allow it to do so.” But if I started from a place of being a less nice person than my neighbor, the only fair thing to ask is if I am better than I would be without Christianity, not if I am better than my neighbor–who is, by heredity and environment, starting out nicer than I did.

    *]And really, the whole point of Christianity is not to make people “nice.” It is to make them turn to God, to return some of His love, to get to know Him better–to freely offer their natures to Him.

    “Of course God regards a nasty nature as a bad and deplorable thing. And, of course, He regards a nice nature as a good thing-good like bread, or sunshine, or water. But these are the good things which He gives and we receive.”

    Really the whole argument (in fact the whole book) is well worth reading. But I think this mostly addresses the concern you raised.

    I don’t know about you, but I shudder to think what I would be if I weren’t Christian. And I can look back and see what I was becoming as a Protestant. (Please don’t take this as any disparagement of Protestants–if anything it is the reverse. I need all of the Sacramental graces available to be a decent person. Other people can be much better than decent even without them. But just think what saints they could be if they had them!)

    Pride is a tough one to beat, and it is a fight that has to keep being fought. But He will help you!

    –Jen
 
Prayers for you gambling that you find peace and that you find compassion enough to wave to your neighbor. Stay safe.
 
I don’t understand what is the point in trying to convert people to Catholicism or for them to become Catholic? I am a practicing Catholic and have been since birth but when my issues of pride fade away and I realize that I am not better than other people I start to wonder, “If I am not better than these people, then why should they become Catholic if they are just as good as me and they aren’t even Catholic.”
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Yeah, I appreciate your comments and I’m sure there is a reason but I just don’t understand your explanations.
We are no better, but we have been given the immeasurable gift of being in the Church that Jesus Christ founded with the Sacraments and other aids to Salvation that He instituted and we have an obligation to share this gift.
We cannot be like the slothful servant who buried the talent given by his master.
 
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