Why be hostile to Catholics?

[PJM]

I read on several post today about Hans Krug, once again slamming our Pope.(He’s a kicked out of the RCC “theologian.”

It’s been reported he’d rather have Oboma as pope.

They are in “lock-step” on abortion, conterception and more

How does this make you as a Catholic feel?

 

[Miles_Mariae]

No change in how I feel. It’s like “that guy” in the neighborhood who lets his dog defecate on other people’s lawns all the time. If you get angry every time he does it, then you’re not going to have time for much else.

Anger should be suppressed unless it can be put to a good use.

 

[thistle]

I read on several post today about Hans Krug, once again slamming our Pope.(He’s a kicked out of the RCC “theologian.”

It’s been reported he’d rather have Oboma as pope.

They are in “lock-step” on abortion, conterception and more

How does this make you as a Catholic feel?

Matt 5:43-46

43 "You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’
44 But I say to you,** love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you,**
45 that you may be children of your heavenly Father, for he makes his sun rise on the bad and the good, and causes rain to fall on the just and the unjust.
46 For if you love those who love you, what recompense will you have? Do not the tax collectors do the same?

 

[weepixie71]

catholics are hated because we claim to know the truth. infallibility!

so when a pope, cardinal, bishop, priest, etc makes a mistake or says something that protestants dont like to hear they get all in an uproar. they seem to link infallibility with being better than human.

they can not understand why we do not believe in “Bible alone”.
even though they wouldnt have the Bible if it were not for the dreaded catholics.

they believe we put our faith in the pope when instead we put our faith in Christ to lead the pope.

their hate comes from the same as all hate comes from “ignorance”.

 

[The_Stig]

Kung’s dissing the Pope?

Dog bites man. No news here. Move along.

 

[palmas85]

I read on several post today about Hans Krug, once again slamming our Pope.(He’s a kicked out of the RCC “theologian.”

It’s been reported he’d rather have Oboma as pope.

They are in “lock-step” on abortion, conterception and more

How does this make you as a Catholic feel?

The only people who pay any attention to Kung are very progressive minded people and people who just don’t know any better. His theories and beliefs have been pretty much thouroughly discredited and rejected by the overwhelming majority of Catholics worldwide.

Let him say what he wants. His are the dying gasps of the failed rhetoric of the most progressive of the progressives

 

[Corki]

In case anyone is interested, here’s the link.

catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=1926

 

[TMC]

In case anyone is interested, here’s the link.

catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=1926

It tough to tell from the article what Kung actually said. The closest it comes to the headline is this:

the Pope should follow Obama’s example and issue executive orders to bring about radical changes in Church doctrine and discipline, “using the power of his executive office to issue decrees.”

Which is pretty far from “Obama should be Pope.”

 

[TMC]

The only people who pay any attention to Kung are very progressive minded people and people who just don’t know any better. His theories and beliefs have been pretty much thouroughly discredited and rejected by the overwhelming majority of Catholics worldwide.

Let him say what he wants. His are the dying gasps of the failed rhetoric of the most progressive of the progressives

I don’t agree. Kung is a progressive, but hardly on the fringe. His teaching faculties were revoked, meaning he could not hold himself out as a teacher of Catholic theology, because of his persistence in denying Papal infallibility. But he remains a priest in good standing. Like it or not, he also remains a very influential theologian.

 

[Cluny]

the Pope should follow Obama’s example and issue executive orders to bring about radical changes in Church doctrine and discipline, “using the power of his executive office to issue decrees.”

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When you think about it–this is the ULTIMATE expression of papism and fain in infallibilty–that Catholic doctrine can simply be whatever the Pope says it is.

Rather, the Pope has the duty to GUARD the truth.

 

[PJM]

=Cluny;4810915]the Pope should follow Obama’s example and issue executive orders to bring about radical changes in Church doctrine and discipline, “using the power of his executive office to issue decrees.”

Actually my friend in Christ?

The Pope (s) Have:thumbsup:

They are called Encyclicals and Letters of Apolostolic Exortation.

But like the Commandments, there not followed much these days either.

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When you think about it–this is the ULTIMATE expression of papism and fain in infallibilty–that Catholic doctrine can simply be whatever the Pope says it is.

Close but not quite. Take out “can simply be” and insert “is.” And your where you need to be.

This is what Jesus Himself had to say about the matter:

John Chapter 16: "7* Nevertheless I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I go away, for if I do not go away, the Counselor will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. 8 And when he comes, he will convince the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment: 9* concerning sin, because they do not believe in me; 10* concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father, and you will see me no more; 11* concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged.

12 "I have yet many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. 13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth; for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.

Rather, the Pope has the duty to GUARD the truth./COLOR

Opps:blush: Close but not quite the FULL TRUTH!

Guarding the truth is but one of the grave moral obligations of the Pope. He must also teach it, define it, and live it.:clapping:

 

[palmas85]

I don’t agree. Kung is a progressive, but hardly on the fringe. His teaching faculties were revoked, meaning he could not hold himself out as a teacher of Catholic theology, because of his persistence in denying Papal infallibility. But he remains a priest in good standing. Like it or not, he also remains a very influential theologian.

Yes, I knew some of his followers would speak up to defend him.

 

[Cluny]

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=Cluny;4810915]the Pope should follow Obama’s example and issue executive orders to bring about radical changes in Church doctrine and discipline, “using the power of his executive office to issue decrees.”
Actually my friend in Christ?

The Pope (s) Have

They are called Encyclicals and Letters of Apolostolic Exortation.**

My point, which admittedly was not clear, was the idea about the Pope being able to issue radical changes in Church teaching by mere executive fiat, rather than clarifying and expressing the traditional faith, is a curious form of papism.

Of course, these people are quite happy to see papal initiave in a leftward direction.

 

[PJM]

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Quote:
=Cluny;4810915]the Pope should follow Obama’s example and issue executive orders to bring about radical changes in Church doctrine and discipline, “using the power of his executive office to issue decrees.”
Actually my friend in Christ?

The Pope (s) Have

They are called Encyclicals and Letters of Apolostolic Exortation.**

My point, which admittedly was not clear, was the idea about the Pope being able to issue radical changes in Church teaching by mere executive fiat, rather than clarifying and expressing the traditional faith, is a curious form of papism.

Of course, these people are quite happy to see papal initiave in a leftward direction.

My friend,

I’m unsure of how to respond? I’m trying very hard to take you seriously. Caould you please provide an example ot rwo, of Papal
“executive fiats”, in say the past fifty years? And ehat do you mean by “radical changes.” I’m an IPRC, and can’t think of anything that supports your accusations.

But, I’m just one of the dummies in the pews:shrug:

 

[latinmasslover]

How does that make me feel? It should perturb anyone who calls themself a Catholic. If they’re not upset by it, they’re obviously in the wrong Church. Anyway, the Pope needs to take Fr. Judas over his knee - in a spiritual sense - and then throw him out on his arse until he gets his act together.

 

[Cara_Serrano]

People are hostile to Catholics because the Catholic Church has global influence and authority. (Nobody is hostile to the little non-denom church down the street because it has no power to influence the rest of the world politically or spiritually) We’re an easy target because we’re so big.

 

[Tsuwano]

I read on several post today about Hans Krug, once again slamming our Pope.(He’s a kicked out of the RCC “theologian.”

It’s been reported he’d rather have Oboma as pope.

They are in “lock-step” on abortion, conterception and more

How does this make you as a Catholic feel?

Hans Kung has never been excommunicated from the Catholic Church and continues to be a priest in good standing. He is not licensed to teach as a Catholic theologian in a Catholic University, but this doesn’t prevent him from continuing to teach religion and theology or from publishing if he wishes. Kung continues to be influential in the Church in many ways and his books are still taught in seminaries around the world. In fact, he is traditional in many ways, though he does question the concept of papal infallibility. I have no opinion on Kung as a Catholic Theologian one way or another since he is no longer permitted to teach as a Catholic Theologian, but it seems to me that the Church has room for Fr. Kung as much as it does for Bishop Fellay.

 

[latinmasslover]

Hans Kung has never been excommunicated from the Catholic Church and continues to be a priest in good standing. He is not licensed to teach as a Catholic theologian in a Catholic University, but this doesn’t prevent him from continuing to teach religion and theology or from publishing if he wishes. Kung continues to be influential in the Church in many ways and his books are still taught in seminaries around the world. In fact, he is traditional in many ways, though he does question the concept of papal infallibility. I have no opinion on Kung as a Catholic Theologian one way or another since he is no longer permitted to teach as a Catholic Theologian, but it seems to me that the Church has room for Fr. Kung as much as it does for Bishop Fellay.

 

[MikeDunphy]

I have no opinion on Kung as a Catholic Theologian one way or another since he is no longer permitted to teach as a Catholic Theologian

Doesn’t the fact that he is no longer permitted to teach as a Catholic Theologian suggest to you that maybe he was not the most reliable guide to the Faith?

 

[latinmasslover]

Doesn’t the fact that he is no longer permitted to teach as a Catholic Theologian suggest to you that maybe he was not the most reliable guide to the Faith?

Why would that tip anyone off? He hasn’t been excommunicated, and therefore can’t be *that *bad.