Why be The Church?

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What is the point of the church as a institution and not a spiritual connection like in Calvin’s theology. Even if the Catholic Church was the Rock that Christ is building up; and all the other churches are schisms. Why not be a good news spreader across the world without such authorities as the pope?
 
What is the point of the church as a institution and not a spiritual connection like in Calvin’s theology. Even if the Catholic Church was the Rock that Christ is building up; and all the other churches are schisms. Why not be a good news spreader across the world without such authorities as the pope?
Your question can be restated as such
“What is the point of the Incarnation of Christ instead of just a spiritual connection etc…”.
And that’s the whole issue in a nutshell.
 
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What is the point of the church as a institution and not a spiritual connection
Why is it either/or?

Why can’t it be both/and? Why can’t the Church be both an institution and a spiritual connection?
 
Better question: if you interpret the Bible to support the notions of a Pope, Episcopate, Apostolic succession, and church authority, why would you not believe those things?
 
The Church is organised religion within which we are safe from error and other dangers, including chaos and we know who likes chaos I think?
 
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The institutional Church provides the sacraments, those efficacious signs of grace, and the institutional Church helps guide us in the proper interpretation of Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition so that we can worship God, not only in spirit, but also in truth, as He desires.
 
The history behind religious institutions go back to the Old Testament Book of Leviticus. In Leviticus God designs a religious institution where man can make sacrifices to be cleansed so that they can be in God’s Holy presence & worship him. Remember Moses built the tabernacle and wasn’t allowed in. Thus the book of Leviticus which is divided into 3 main sections: Rituals, Priest, Purity. The book was written to let man know the sacrifices and moral values required before you could be in God’s presence. You must remember, God set this structure up because when Adam & Eve sinned by eating the fruit from the Tree of Life, they took the position that their definition of Good/Evil was better than God’s definition. Of course Adam and Eve’s decision threw them out of the only place on earth man ever walked with God which ultimately meant Adam and Eve picked death over everlasting life.

This all changed when the Messiah came to be. He formed the Church through his believers starting with Peter…the Rock. Jesus’s Church is actually within us all, especially when we are gathered, through the holy spirit, which spiritually connects us all together. Kind of like the Internet today. Jesus didn’t change the fact we must conduct ourselves in a high moral and ethic way, and that God’s definition of Good/Evil is the right way–not mans.

What the letters in the Epistle teach us is that we are a Church body together who believe and worship in the one true Lord. It also teaches us that we as a body are responsible the appointment of religious leaders, Elders, Priest, Deacons who possess high moral and ethical values required to teach the word of the Lord. But mans history of defining what’s Evil/Good rather than accept God’s definition of Evil/Good has lead to corruption within many religious ‘Institutions’.

The Epistle teaches us we have the right to observe and question the actions of these religious ‘Institution’ and their leadership. The moment you feel the Church, God’s house, is nothing more than an ‘Institution’, rather than a place to be spiritually connected and worship the Lord for his Grace and New Convenient promised…should be the day you find another Church (house to worship). For it is more important for your spirit, soul, and body to be with Jesus than a possibly wrongly ‘man lead’ religious ‘Institution’.

I highly recommend you read many of Paul’s letters to the Corinthians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossian, Thessalonians, Titus, and Philemon where he writes letters to parishioners and spiritual leaders alike telling them how the Church should be ran and conducted. Each time Paul warns them about trying to gain wealth off the Church (people), abusing power, and/or worried more about their ‘Status/Position’ in the Church than of the souls before them. For me I see far to many folks in church more worried about their status & not on body of the church. Keep in mind Jesus suffered and made the ultimate sacrifice for our sins which created the New Covenant for all. It’s up to us all to thank the Lord for his sacrifice and Grace…one of which is to attend Church…not a religious ‘Institution’.
 
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Since God is a community of Persons, He wills that we find salvation in a community of persons that is in communion with Him.
 
I noticed that you just joined a few hours ago so I’d like to make a suggestion. Please use paragraphs. A wall of text is more likely not to be read by the people you are trying to reach, fyi.
 
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Because ships without a captain quickly crash on the rocks.

Also, Jesus instituted the papacy when he told Peter, “Upon this rock (meaning Peter), I will build my Church.” Why would we go against Jesus in this matter?

Why would we want to follow Calvin, who didn’t even show up until Jesus’ own church, set up in Jesus’ own way, had been operating for 1500 years?
 
Thank you for your kind an warm welcoming. I’m not necessarily looking for short and choppy readers to read my replies. I will try and use paragraphs in the future. I’m simply placing a biblical and historical view on his question with a thoughtful opinion. It’s up to one to chose to read my replies, just like it’s up to one to chose to follow Jesus Christ.
 
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That’s like saying ‘Why do you need a dad in a family?’
God is our father and he gave us an earthly father for our time here.
 
What is the point of the church as a institution and not a spiritual connection like in Calvin’s theology. Even if the Catholic Church was the Rock that Christ is building up; and all the other churches are schisms. Why not be a good news spreader across the world without such authorities as the pope?
What was the point of Israel being a visible nation and not just a “spiritual connection”? What was the point of appointing a king for this nation?

One of many “points” is that such a visible institution with a visible monarchy is seen by God as necessary, otherwise He wouldn’t have gathered Israel together in the manner that He did. He established a visible priesthood, giving the Levitical priests the power to offer sacrifice for themselves and others. From this time until the time of the New Covenant priesthood’s institution, they were the only people you could go to. Gone were (and are) the days when anyone could offer Him sacrifice. He has seen it fit to limit the exercise of this power to a few- the Levitical priests under the Old Covenant, and His priests today in the Church which He founded with Peter (and his successors) at its head, just as the kings of the Old Covenant were the head of His earthly kingdom.

As for why it’s necessary, one reason is that it ensures for us that the doctrine we receive is valid. Only those who can trace their spiritual lineage back to the apostles (apostolic succession) can reasonably assure their flock that the teaching they receive is from God. Likewise, only those priests under the Old Covenant could assure those coming to offer sacrifice that God would acknowledge it, as they were the ones who had God as their inheritance (Deuteronomy 10:9). Just as much today as back then, only those who have a “true” inheritance in this manner can offer sacrifice, absolve us of sin and raise others to the episcopacy. You cannot find this outside of the apostolic Churches, the Catholic and the Orthodox, as the pastors of others have no such inheritance or authority.

Books could be written on this (and have been).
 
Since God is a community of Persons, He wills that we find salvation in a community of persons that is in communion with Him.
Yes. And that’s why he gave us himself in Jesus Christ, who is fully human fully divine, who founded that community of persons with the apostles.
 
You cannot find this outside of the apostolic Churches, the Catholic and the Orthodox, as the pastors of others have no such inheritance or authority.
I hope folks who read these words realize this is absolutely not true or in the bible. Jesus neither label nor separate us by a denominational institutions, yet by the New Covenant. Only two things Jesus asked from any of us:
  1. John 13:34 “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. 35 By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”
  2. “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved”
No place in the bible does Jesus mission state such “inheritance or authority”! I know Thom18 will point at the words in a doctrine but that’s not the scripture! Even Pope Francis would disagree with these words by Thom18: “cannot find this outside of the apostolic Churches, the Catholic and the Orthodox”. That’s false and not in scripture anywhere! The first time the disciples were called Christians first was in Antioch long after Paul started his mission there. There was no “Catholic” church then and Jesus had already promised his New Convent to many (as see when Jesus made a promise to a thief on a cross next to him while he was being crucified).
 
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You cannot find this outside of the apostolic Churches, the Catholic and the Orthodox, as the pastors of others have no such inheritance or authority.
I hope folks who read these words realize this is absolutely not the true or in the bible. Jesus did not label nor separate us by a denominational institutions, yet by the New Covenant. Only two things Jesus asked from any of us:
  1. John 13:34 “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. 35 By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”
  2. “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved”
No place in the bible does Jesus mission state such “inheritance or authority”! I know Thom18 will point at the words in a doctrine but that’s not the scripture! Even Pope Francis would disagree these words by Thom18: “cannot find this outside of the apostolic Churches, the Catholic and the Orthodox”. That’s false and not in scripture anywhere! The first time the disciples were called Christians first was in Antioch long after Paul started his mission there. There was no “Catholic” church then and Jesus had already promised his New Convent to many (as see when Jesus made a promise to a thief on a cross next to him while he was being crucified).
If you call yourself a Catholic, then you should know better than to try and whittle our faith down to “Scripture Alone” and “Faith Alone”. That aside, even if we were a faith of sola scriptura, my words are nothing more than a comparison of the two Covenants.

Why do you not think that the priests of the New Covenant have a “part” or “inheritance” in God just as their Old Covenant predecessors when Jesus said, “If I do not wash you, you have no part in me.” The word here for part (meros) is the same one that is used in Numbers 18:20 and Deuteronomy 10:9 to refer to the inheritance that Aaron and his priestly lineage have in the Lord.
 
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What is the point of the church as a institution and not a spiritual connection like in Calvin’s theology. Even if the Catholic Church was the Rock that Christ is building up; and all the other churches are schisms. Why not be a good news spreader across the world without such authorities as the pope?
There are a lot of problems in Calvin’s theology. Very few denominations follow all Calvin says.

As far as the Catholic Church being a good news spreader, it is, but it is more than that.

The Catholic church is meant to be a visible sign in the darkness of the world. As someone else said it is the fullfilment of the OT. Everything in the OT priesthood, tabernacle, holy of holies and more foreshadowed the Catholic church.

The Church, the Pope, the priesthood, the Sacraments are all for our benefit, to lead us to salvation. Christ wanted more than just a spiritual connection where everyone could interpret their connection their own way and make up their own rules. Without authority, any institution, is left in chaos. Everyone to their ownselves leaves a mess.
 
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Paytheon, are you really a Catholic? Sorry for my skepticism, but a Catholic usually does not go around saying a teaching of the Church is “absolutely not true or in the Bible”. Your reliance on stuff being in the Bible is more characteristic of non-Catholic Christians.
 
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You cannot find this outside of the apostolic Churches, the Catholic and the Orthodox, as the pastors of others have no such inheritance or authority.
I hope folks who read these words realize this is absolutely not the true or in the bible.
Where does the bible say that everything true must be in the bible?
Give us chapter and verse please.
 
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