Why bother with Religion?

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Religion is HOPE! How hopless an existance to think that your mortal body is all that is and ever will be! If you were a true Atheist why would you concern yourself with saving the planet? for your posterity?
Atheists are concerned with making the best life for ourselves and others on this planet because it is all that is relevant in our lives. We don’t have the delusional notion of an “afterlife.” You, on the otherhand could destroy the planet and not be too concerned about it because you think you will swim for eternity in a land of milk and honey (which doesn’t sound all that enjoyable – if I were to invent a mystical afterlife I could think of better scenarios).

If your only motivation for doing good for others is that you will either (1) be punished by your mythical creator for not doing so; or (2) be rewarded by your mythical creator for doing so, that does not say much for you as a person.
 
Atheists are concerned with making the best life for ourselves and others on this planet because it is all that is relevant in our lives.
Could you please define what your best life should be in an eye of an atheist?
 
Atheists are concerned with making the best life for ourselves and others on this planet because it is all that is relevant in our lives. We don’t have the delusional notion of an “afterlife.” You, on the otherhand could destroy the planet and not be too concerned about it because you think you will swim for eternity in a land of milk and honey (which doesn’t sound all that enjoyable – if I were to invent a mystical afterlife I could think of better scenarios).

If your only motivation for doing good for others is that you will either (1) be punished by your mythical creator for not doing so; or (2) be rewarded by your mythical creator for doing so, that does not say much for you as a person.
Joseph Stalin, Mao Zedong and Pol Pot were all well known Atheists and their record certainly doesn’t support your claim that all Atheists have a vested interest in making life the best for others.

There are countless motivations for Christians to do things that are good. Charity, selflessness, acts of kindness, you just feel like it, sense of duty, it’s the right thing to do, it’s a good way to spend time, it pleases God, it’s nice to help others, you can get a tax receipt when you donate, you can win a price, you enter a competition to see who can raise the most money, it sets a good exampe…etc…

The problem with your arguments is that you make all encompassing claims that simply don’t stand up to scrutiny.

You state that you have never seen any hard evidence of the existence of God.

Why then have I never seen any hard evidence that proves that God does not exist.

The answer, and you know what it is…I have Faith that God exists and you have Faith that God does not exist.

I’ve pointed out the obvious errors in your argument and hopefully you will stop making claims that speak for every atheist on the planet.

Regards;

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Atheists are concerned with making the best life for ourselves and others on this planet because it is all that is relevant in our lives.
If Atheists are so concerned with making the “best” life for themselves and others, can you explain why Atheistic regimes invariably engage in mass murder and deprivation of liberties? U.S.S.R, China, Mexico (early 20th century), North Korea… all examples of the flowers produced by Atheists who were making life “better” for people.

Check your history – the number of homicides inspired by Karl Marx and the governments created as a result are resposible for a body count that makes the crimes of Christianity wither and pale in comparison.

So, can you explain why Atheists hate other human beings so much that they have no choice but to kill them and take away their rights?
We don’t have the delusional notion of an “afterlife.”
What you have is the delusional notion that a random occurance that you cannot explain happened by pure magic: life itself. As long as you ascribe to notions that have no real explanation, you are more delusional than those you deride.
You, on the otherhand could destroy the planet and not be too concerned about it because you think you will swim for eternity in a land of milk and honey (which doesn’t sound all that enjoyable – if I were to invent a mystical afterlife I could think of better scenarios).
Really, this simply shows that you haven’t bothered to educate yourself on these matters. But, in order:

1 – No, we couldn’t “destroy the planet” and not be concerned, because we are stewards of God’s creation. If we were to destroy it, none of us believe that we would then swim for eternity in milk and honey.

2 – We didn’t invent a mystical afterlife of milk and honey. You did. In all of my studies of theology of the afterlife, I have never once read or heard of it referred to as having milk and honey. It is true that the promised land was referred to in those terms, but not heaven or purgatory or hell.
If your only motivation for doing good for others is that you will either (1) be punished by your mythical creator for not doing so; or (2) be rewarded by your mythical creator for doing so, that does not say much for you as a person.
Actually it says quite a lot about a person who wants to please God. On the other hand, when one such as yourself has chosen the self as God – as you clearly have – it says volumes about the sheer narcissism involved.

Which probably explains my first point that for some reason Atheists feel the deep need to remove human freedom, as they have repeatedly done so and continue to attempt to do.
 
If Atheists are so concerned with making the “best” life for themselves and others, can you explain why Atheistic regimes invariably engage in mass murder and deprivation of liberties? U.S.S.R, China, Mexico (early 20th century), North Korea… all examples of the flowers produced by Atheists who were making life “better” for people.

Check your history – the number of homicides inspired by Karl Marx and the governments created as a result are resposible for a body count that makes the crimes of Christianity wither and pale in comparison.

So, can you explain why Atheists hate other human beings so much that they have no choice but to kill them and take away their rights?
Peter, you are lumping all atheists together using the same type of argument that others have used against religious people, e.g. that all Muslims are wrong because the terrorists were Muslim, or that all Christians are wrong because the abortion clinic bombers were Christians, or that religion in general is wrong because of those extreme cases.
Actually it says quite a lot about a person who wants to please God. On the other hand, when one such as yourself has chosen the self as God – as you clearly have – it says volumes about the sheer narcissism involved.
It isn’t narcissism at all to be atheist. We can’t prove that God exists in either direction, and furthermore, only under the condition that God DOES undeniably exist to a person and then he still denies God can one be considered narcissistic. If it is hard to tell, then it isn’t a clearly narcissistic stance to take at all.
Which probably explains my first point that for some reason Atheists feel the deep need to remove human freedom, as they have repeatedly done so and continue to attempt to do.
And here you continue lumping together all of the atheists into one pot.
 
Peter, you are lumping all atheists together using the same type of argument that others have used against religious people, e.g. that all Muslims are wrong because the terrorists were Muslim, or that all Christians are wrong because the abortion clinic bombers were Christians, or that religion in general is wrong because of those extreme cases.
Wait a second… the OP made the assertion that Atheists – lumping them all together – were trying to make the world a better place. He specifically pointed to it as something that Atheists as a group are supposedly trying to do.

I am merely pointing out – correctly – that as a group, Atheists have been remarkably destructive. More so than ANY religious group.

Furthermore, unlike the major religions, which can point to remarkable contributions to world society, I have yet to see any positive (name removed by moderator)ut that Atheism has had at **all **in the world.

As a living philosophy, it has been an undeniable bust.
It isn’t narcissism at all to be atheist. We can’t prove that God exists in either direction,
I think that this is incorrect on many levels. First, you are asserting that we can’t prove that God exists in either direction as if reason leaves the question neutral. It does not. There is staggering philosophical and scientific evidence pointing to the existence of a super-intelligence, as Einstein himself pointed out.

Secondly, I disagree tremendously about the aspect of Narcissism. It clearly is narcissistic to believe oneself to be supreme and a law onto oneself.
and furthermore, only under the condition that God DOES undeniably exist to a person and then he still denies God can one be considered narcissistic. If it is hard to tell, then it isn’t a clearly narcissistic stance to take at all.
It would be narcissistic in either case, as the individual then asserts his own worth as being supreme, which has led in no small way to the frankly heinous behavior of Atheists.
And here you continue lumping together all of the atheists into one pot.
Not at all. I’m dealing with the larger issue of what Atheism has so far meant to our world in terms of it’s real effects, and responding to the OP’s assertion that somehow Atheists want “what’s best for the world”.

There’s no evidence that Atheists want “what’s best for the world” as a group. Their history shows the exact opposite, and it is perfectly fair to point that out.

That doesn’t mean that there can’t be any good or nice Atheists, nor does it mean that Atheists are damned to Hell (I have no idea what will happen to them).

But if the OP insists on treating Atheism as a group, and lauding it’s supposedly benevolent stance toward humankind, it’s fair to point out that such a view has no backing whatsoever in history.
 
There is staggering philosophical and scientific evidence pointing to the existence of a super-intelligence, as Einstein himself pointed out.
Many people have misintepreted certain Einstein quotes as to mean that he believed in a personal God, or the Christian God, and this has been shown to be quite false.
Secondly, I disagree tremendously about the aspect of Narcissism. It clearly is narcissistic to believe oneself to be supreme and a law onto oneself.
You are placing the quality of “believing oneself to be supreme” on atheists as a whole and this is very inaccurate. There are atheists that are very humble and community supporters, and there are atheists that are self-centered and only serve themselves. Being atheist does not mean that a person is one or the other.
 
Many people have misintepreted certain Einstein quotes as to mean that he believed in a personal God, or the Christian God, and this has been shown to be quite false.

You are placing the quality of “believing oneself to be supreme” on atheists as a whole and this is very inaccurate. There are atheists that are very humble and community supporters, and there are atheists that are self-centered and only serve themselves. Being atheist does not mean that a person is one or the other.
Great post Mortal (as are almost all of your posts). You are absolutely correct about Einstein. To reinforce Mortal’s point, everyone should consider the following direct quotes from Albert Einstein himself:

“It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.”

“The idea of a personal God is quite alien to me and seems even naive.”

It’s fairly clear from the writings of Einstein (and the above quotes) that his use of “God” was more of a synonym for nature and the physical laws governing our world rather than some supernatural God that is obsessed with the daily activities of human, listens to their prayers, worries about them masturbating etc. Religious contemporaries of Einstein were quite upset with his rejection of “God” in the sense that Catholics and other Christians think of “God.”
 
Great post Mortal (as are almost all of your posts). You are absolutely correct about Einstein. To reinforce Mortal’s point, everyone should consider the following direct quotes from Albert Einstein himself:

“It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.”

“The idea of a personal God is quite alien to me and seems even naive.”

It’s fairly clear from the writings of Einstein (and the above quotes) that his use of “God” was more of a synonym for nature and the physical laws governing our world rather than some supernatural God that is obsessed with the daily activities of human, listens to their prayers, worries about them masturbating etc. Religious contemporaries of Einstein were quite upset with his rejection of “God” in the sense that Catholics and other Christians think of “God.”
Einstein was a panentheist. Not an atheist.

His views were very much like Spinoza, who was accused of being the most atheistic of the montheists-- ergo panentheism.
 
I will never understand Atheists who demand proof that God exists. These same Atheists offer no proof that he does not exist. Why is the onus on the believer?

Imagine23, when your arguments are picked apart and clearly proven wrong…just look at the very first reply in this lengthy thread…you simply ignore the retort and move on to something else.
"To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible." Thomas Aquinas.
 
I will never understand Atheists who demand proof that God exists. These same Atheists offer no proof that he does not exist. Why is the onus on the believer?

Imagine23, when your arguments are picked apart and clearly proven wrong…just look at the very first reply in this lengthy thread…you simply ignore the retort and move on to something else.
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"To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary.  To one without faith, no explanation is possible."   Thomas Aquinas.
When somebody invents incredible stories and theories the onus is on such person to provide support for them. If they do not provide such support, there is no reason for rational people to take that person seriously. The list of unsupportable theories that one could come up with is literally infinite.

My ridiculous chocolate pickle hypothesis from many posts ago was aimed at pointing this out. You cannot prove that a chocolate covered pickle did not create the universe and everything in it. That does not make it real just because someone believes in all their heart in it and has “faith” that it is true. When one person believes something like that you call them insane, when lots of people believe in something like that you call it religion.

I don’t recall anyone “picking apart” any of my arguments but rather a lot of biblical quotes and arguments to have “faith.” I don’t remember the first reply being all that strong. I will humor you though and go back and reply to it now.
 
Einstein was a panentheist. Not an atheist.

His views were very much like Spinoza, who was accused of being the most atheistic of the montheists-- ergo panentheism.
I never said Einstein was an atheist (although for practical purposes and compared to Catholics, pantheists really are atheists). True that Einstein did admire the philosophy of Spinoza. Even if he were a pantheist, that means that his concept of God is completely different from yours, and his thinking on the issue of a supernatural God is in agreement with atheists, i.e. he doesn’t believe in it. The pantheist’s use of God is essentially a non-supernatural synonym for nature, the universe and the laws that govern the universe (e.g. the theory of relativity being one such law).

What is absolutely clear is that Einstein did not believe in the “God” that Catholics and all other Christians believe in, a “personal God” that watches over our every move, worries whether gay people get married, answers prayers, etc.
 
Well, let’s put it this way.

Either there is what you call a “personal” God who knows us, loves us, and watches out for every one of us, and is ‘interested in’ all those little ethical things of how we love our neighbor and love God. . .

Or there is not.

Some believe there is not.

But if there is such a God (I believe there definitely is) then He is going to exist no matter how many people don’t believe in Him, find Him ‘confusing’, etc.

A person could be a genius and still be wrong about God. And it doesn’t take a genius to be ‘right’ about God.

It takes faith, hope, and love.
 
Einstein was a panentheist. Not an atheist.

His views were very much like Spinoza, who was accused of being the most atheistic of the montheists-- ergo panentheism.
I read that Spinoza, and therefore Einstein, was a Naturalistic Pantheist, not a Panentheist. A Panentheist believes that God is within the universe AND is a being that is outside of the universe. A Pantheist believes that there is no supernatural God outside the universe, but that God is found within the universe. A Naturalistic Pantheist believes that the “God” inside the universe is the physical nature of the universe itself, and not a supernatural being.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalistic_Pantheism
 
When somebody invents incredible stories and theories the onus is on such person to provide support for them.
The problem with this assumption is that as far back as man has any kind of written message discussing reality, there’s almost always some kind of concept of deity and the supernatural.

In this light, the evolutionary hypothesis of the development of religion does not explain the belief in a divinity very well to the point that it can be assumed that people were just ‘making things up’.

More to the point, man’s ancient history, recalling divers archtypes of ‘a fall of humanity’, seems to be a nearly universal consensus of a distant memory and not an later invention.

For example, Wilhelm Schmidt, a Jesuit professor at the University of Vienna, spent over 40 years (1912-1955) documenting and compiling evidence for what he called “primitive monotheism.” In 1931 he published his findings as The Origin and Growth of Religion. It was a book that revolutionized the study of religious anthropology.

Schmidt thought that such beliefs were the residue of a “primal revelation” of God to man. He felt that they were surviving forms of a once common knowledge of the one God (which through human fallenness and error has been overlaid by magic, animism, ancestor worship, spiritism, polytheism, and other forms of spiritual subjectivism). Schmidt continued to validate his thesis with continual research over the years. By 1955 he had published over 4000 pages of evidence in 12 large volumes.

G. K. Chesterton summed up the import of Schmidt’s ground-breaking studies:
There is very good ground for guessing that religion did not originally come from some detail that was forgotten because it was too small to be traced. Much more probably it was an idea that was abandoned because it was too large to be managed. There is very good reason to suppose that many people did begin with the simple but overwhelming idea of one God who governs all; and afterwards fell away into such things as demon-worship almost as a sort of secret dissipations.
Primitive theologies of the one God always seemed to include some explanation of why He is no longer present. His departure is routinely regarded as a cosmic disastrous rupture in the natural fabric of things brought on by some fault or failure on the part of human beings. In some myths, the fault seems almost trivial, involving a technical error in the performance of some (now) obscure ritual, thus causing the universe to unravel and leave man spiritually marooned. In other forms of primitive monotheism, the failure is more morally serious, involving man’s betrayal of his duty to his creator, thus causing God to depart in sorrow and judgment.

The details differ, but all the myths tell a common story, and the story seems to be clearly a part of our common heritage. Ironically, the evidence of anthropology indicates that ancient man was more in agreement concerning the nature of our spiritual problem than we have agreed about anything since that time. The reason seems doubtless that their consensus was one of memory and not of opinion.

Schmidt’s work actually uncovered one momentous fact for all to see – namely, that humanity’s most ancient and universal assessment of its own condition is simply this: “God is not with us.” For whatever reason, God’s personal presence has been withdrawn from us. God’s absence is our problem.

Consequently, for atheism to rise up and state that everything heretofore religious is simply an invention of man is not supported by the commonality of these stories found all across the globe. And if atheism wants to assume that humanity is just making stuff up, they can do this all they want.

But they’re not proving anything by doing so.

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If Atheists are so concerned with making the “best” life for themselves and others, can you explain why Atheistic regimes invariably engage in mass murder and deprivation of liberties? U.S.S.R, China, Mexico (early 20th century), North Korea… all examples of the flowers produced by Atheists who were making life “better” for people.
I see no need to take the opportunity here to recount at length the atrocities of the Inquisition, the current Sunni and Shiite killings and the numerous other instances of religiously inspired murder and torture throughout human history. Such an exercise would not be productive. Religious and non-religious people are both capable of good and evil. Let us instead use common sense.

People like you often mention Stalin and Hitler and other totalitarian regimes to purport to show a causal connection between atheism and genocide. (I realize that of these two you alluded only to Stalin, but my explanation applies to all, and Hitler and Stalin are the most often used examples).

The problem is that you have failed to show causation. If scientists used your kind of causation analysis in their research we would still be putting leeches on our body to cure illnesses.

While Stalin and Hitler did awful things, their atheist beliefs were not the cause of their actions. A non-belief in a supernatural God does not cause one to be violent. The Netherlands is one of the least religious countries in the world. Under your logic you would expect it to be the most violent. This is obviously not the case.

While I do not currently believe in a supernatural God, there is nothing in me that would motivate me to harm another person. I do not like to see other people suffer. I don’t need a religion to feel that way.

Interesting to note though, that one of the most violent countries today (Iraq) experiences killings daily over different interpretations of the same religion (Sunni and Shiite). There is much support for murder of non-muslims in the Koran. There is also a lot of support for killing of non-Christians in the bible (although in some ways it is less violent than the Koran). Bad people can use such scripture to support evil deeds. Good religious people will ignore such nonsense. I see no need to quote the many biblical passages condoning violence against non-believers. You have bible and I’m sure you know where they are.

As an aside, it is interesting to note that Hitler often invoked the long established Christian-based hatred of Jews to motivate the German citizenry. He understood that his citizens, well indoctrinated in Christianity, would be able to identify with such rhetoric. In a speech in Munich in 1923, Hitler said, “The first thing to do is to rescue [Germany] from the Jew who is ruining our country…We want to prevent our Germany from suffering, as Another did, the death upon the Cross.” Hitler also said in a 1922 speech: "My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Saviour as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might andd seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders…(etc. etc.).
 
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People who believe see no reason to question the commonality of these stories as being based on some historical fact simply because an atheist believes it’s all fiction. And since this is a positive claim which can be traced a long ways back into human history, it really is up to the atheist to prove to themselves the extent to which these stories have been made up and what is based on reality.

Assuming that we’re making stuff up doesn’t really convince people that their faith has been fabricated. It just proves that those who are assuming things, are assuming, for whatever reason, a lot more than they can actually prove.

It assumes that all religious experiences are nothing more than delusions on the part of those who claim to have them. And, when taken to the extreme and combined with an unhealthy dosage of skepticism, it renders the entire historical record of religion as being nothing more than a joke.

For example, we have more historical documents to prove the existence of Jesus than Caeser for example. And yet the history of Jesus is routninely assaulted and that of Caeser remains generally unquestioned. Furthermore, some will claim the claim of Jesus’s divinity renders the gospel accounts questionable, and yet many of the the Roman Caesers believed they were ‘gods’ and yet no one doubts that these Caesers existed just because some of them claimed to be ‘gods’.

When taken to the extreme, militant atheism is no more respectable, in my opinion, than holocaust deniers who take advantage of the fact that time has passed and not as many people are around today (who have directly experienced the holocaust) to question the validity of the holocaust denier’s claims.
 
The problem with this assumption is that as far back as man has any kind of written message discussing reality, there’s almost always some kind of concept of deity and the supernatural.

In this light, the evolutionary hypothesis of the development of religion does not explain the belief in a divinity very well to the point that it can be assumed that people were just ‘making things up’.

More to the point, man’s ancient history, recalling divers archtypes of ‘a fall of humanity’, seems to be a nearly universal consensus of a distant memory and not an later invention.

For example, Wilhelm Schmidt, a Jesuit professor at the University of Vienna, spent over 40 years (1912-1955) documenting and compiling evidence for what he called “primitive monotheism.” In 1931 he published his findings as The Origin and Growth of Religion. It was a book that revolutionized the study of religious anthropology.

Schmidt thought that such beliefs were the residue of a “primal revelation” of God to man. He felt that they were surviving forms of a once common knowledge of the one God (which through human fallenness and error has been overlaid by magic, animism, ancestor worship, spiritism, polytheism, and other forms of spiritual subjectivism). Schmidt continued to validate his thesis with continual research over the years. By 1955 he had published over 4000 pages of evidence in 12 large volumes.

G. K. Chesterton summed up the import of Schmidt’s ground-breaking studies:

Primitive theologies of the one God always seemed to include some explanation of why He is no longer present. His departure is routinely regarded as a cosmic disastrous rupture in the natural fabric of things brought on by some fault or failure on the part of human beings. In some myths, the fault seems almost trivial, involving a technical error in the performance of some (now) obscure ritual, thus causing the universe to unravel and leave man spiritually marooned. In other forms of primitive monotheism, the failure is more morally serious, involving man’s betrayal of his duty to his creator, thus causing God to depart in sorrow and judgment.

The details differ, but all the myths tell a common story, and the story seems to be clearly a part of our common heritage. Ironically, the evidence of anthropology indicates that ancient man was more in agreement concerning the nature of our spiritual problem than we have agreed about anything since that time. The reason seems doubtless that their consensus was one of memory and not of opinion.

Schmidt’s work actually uncovered one momentous fact for all to see – namely, that humanity’s most ancient and universal assessment of its own condition is simply this: “God is not with us.” For whatever reason, God’s personal presence has been withdrawn from us. God’s absence is our problem.

Consequently, for atheism to rise up and state that everything heretofore religious is simply an invention of man is not supported by the commonality of these stories found all across the globe. And if atheism wants to assume that humanity is just making stuff up, they can do this all they want.

But they’re not proving anything by doing so.

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Are you saying that because monotheism may have occurred independently in different primitive cultures that it is inherently true? Correct me if I’ve misinterpreted your point.

I don’t see that as real evidence. I’m sure there are many incorrect assumptions to which primitive people independetly subscribed. That does not make them true.

If one wants to look at religion from a scientific or critical perspective, in the way that we look at everything else, then you have to wonder why religion really has not advanced much over the years. If you were to bring a medievel Christian here, his views on science and medicine would be laughable and completely wrong. His views on religion would not be much different than yours. Why have we advanced so much in all other areas of learning but religion if it were not for the fact that there is nothing scientific or rational about religion?
 
For example, we have more historical documents to prove the existence of Jesus than Caeser for example. And yet the history of Jesus is routninely assaulted and that of Caeser remains generally unquestioned. Furthermore, some will claim the claim of Jesus’s divinity renders the gospel accounts questionable, and yet many of the the Roman Caesers believed they were ‘gods’ and yet no one doubts that these Caesers existed just because some of them claimed to be ‘gods’.

When taken to the extreme, militant atheism is no more respectable, in my opinion, than holocaust deniers who take advantage of the fact that time has passed and not as many people are around today (who have directly experienced the holocaust) to question the validity of the holocaust denier’s claims.
I thought I explained this before. I am willing to accept that there was a man named Jesus who lived around the time the bible was written and claimed to be the son of God and was killed for it. I accept many accounts of human history that relate to periods well before Jesus’s time.

What I don’t accept are the supernatural or mystical stories. There is no comparison to our modern day to which I can relate. Neither you or I have ever seen anyone rise from the dead or witnessed evidence of this happening. I’ve never seen on fish feed thousands of people. I don’t believe a man in a red suit could fly around the earth with the assistance of flying reindeer in one night delivering presents to the world’s children.

I don’t know what “militant atheism” is, as opposed to “atheism.” Do “militant atheists” carry guns?

As for regular garden variety atheists, they are quite unlike Holocaust deniers.
 
The details differ, but all the myths tell a common story, and the story seems to be clearly a part of our common heritage. Ironically, the evidence of anthropology indicates that ancient man was more in agreement concerning the nature of our spiritual problem than we have agreed about anything since that time. The reason seems doubtless that their consensus was one of memory and not of opinion.
Can you describe in more detail what their facts were (the supporting evidence) for coming to the conclusion that it was “memory” and not “opinion”? This sounds very similar to Jung’s ideas on a collective unconscious.
 
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