Why bother with Religion?

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Imagine23 said:
While Catholics are sitting around debating thing like whether Mary ever sinned, atheists are thinking about how to save the planet.
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Save it for who, themselves ? doesn’t matter if you try and wriggle out of it by being an atheist, agnostic or anything else.

The most important thing is to save your own soul and the souls of others on the way.

**Matt: 16:26 **For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

"I, Sister Faustina Kowalska, by the order of God, have visited the Abysses of Hell so that I might tell souls about it and testify to its existence…the devils were full of hatred for me, but they had to obey me at the command of God, What I have written is but a pale shadow of the things I saw. But I noticed one thing: That most of the souls there are those who disbelieved that there is a hell." (Diary 741)

Source.
 
Em in FL:

Your main point seems to be my inability to disprove the existence of God. Why should the burden be on me to disprove an unbelievable story that another human invented? It is impossible to disprove the existence of God, but that does not make it real.

What if I were to tell you that 10 thousand years ago a chocolate covered pickle created the universe and everything in it in one hour. If you don’t worship and love said pickle you will spend eternity in suffering. If you do worship the pickle you will find eternal bliss.

Now, please go about disproving my theory about my supreme pickle creator, his effect on the creation of the universe, and the consquences of worshiping him.
 
Imagine23 said:
If God is “so good” why does he allow little children to be abused and killed daily by other humans? By loving “us” do you include said children within the “us?” If so, that’s a strange way of showing love.
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This whole thread should be moved to appropriate forum for better discussion.
Be respectful, let’s not discuss in this particular forum where people are seeking spiritually.
 
Imagine23 said:
imaginary superpower.
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Imaginary Superpower, hmmm… What proof do you have that God is imaginary? While I admit many things about God are probably beyond our grasp, I have no doubt he exists.

Just look at the complexity of the world around you, the universe, the human body, life itself. Do you know the enormous odds of everything coming to together just right to form everything that exists? You think this just happened by chance? No, No there is a creator out there who we call God.

To me, it’s easy to be an atheist, to not believe in anything. It’s alot harder to have faith in God, when maybe common sense tells you not too. “Blessed is he you has not seen, but believes.” Jesus (God) anticipated your attitude.
 
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Em in FL:

Your main point seems to be my inability to disprove the existence of God. Why should the burden be on me to disprove an unbelievable story that another human invented? It is impossible to disprove the existence of God, but that does not make it real.

What if I were to tell you that 10 thousand years ago a chocolate covered pickle created the universe and everything in it in one hour. If you don’t worship and love said pickle you will spend eternity in suffering. If you do worship the pickle you will find eternal bliss.

Now, please go about disproving my theory about my supreme pickle creator, his effect on the creation of the universe, and the consquences of worshiping him.
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No that was not my point at all.
(… yet I’m pretty sure I did worship said pickle during my pregnancies… so I’m WELL AWARE of it’s existance! 😃 )

My point was that there is NO OTHER complete explaination for the creation of life and the universe. Science alone can only take us so far.
If you’re okay not having a complete explanation for life… then fine, go on living that way…

But then I’m not sure why you’d be hangin’ out on a Catholic bulletin board if you weren’t interested… :o
 
water said:
This whole thread should be moved to appropriate forum for better discussion.
Be respectful, let’s not discuss in this particular forum where people are seeking spiritually.
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I don’t understand your point about being respectful. I have insulted nobody. I am asking questions and replying to questions and statements.

I guess I don’t understand what you mean by “seeking spirituality”. In asking for an explanation for your belief in biblical stories, I believe I am seeking spirituality.
 
Imagine23:

Why are posing this question on this forum? What are you trying to accomplish? Do you still have some doubts that maybe God truly does exist and you’re trying to dispel those doubts with us?

You’re not going to convince anybody here that God doesn’t exist.

If the question dealt with why do we have formal religions vs. just a universal belief in God, then you might have something.

Maybe you should go hang out on an atheist forum where all of you can laugh at us poor ignorant believers.

90% of Americans believe in God. What makes you think you have it right and 90% have it wrong? I will never understand that arrogance.
 
Em_in_FL said:
No that was not my point at all.
(… yet I’m pretty sure I did worship said pickle during my pregnancies… so I’m WELL AWARE of it’s existance! 😃 )

My point was that there is NO OTHER complete explaination for the creation of life and the universe. Science alone can only take us so far.
If you’re okay not having a complete explanation for life… then fine, go on living that way…

But then I’m not sure why you’d be hangin’ out on a Catholic bulletin board if you weren’t interested… :o
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Emily, There are a lot of things that we cannot explain yet. That doesn’t mean we should rely on a 2000 year old book (written by humans like you and me, actually not quite, they had much inferior knowledge about our world and the science that we take for granted) for the answer rather than continue to seek answers based on sound logic.

In any event God as an explanation is incomplete. If God created the universe and everything in it, who created God?
 
Imagine23 said:
I don’t understand your point about being respectful. I have insulted nobody. I am asking questions and replying to questions and statements.

I guess I don’t understand what you mean by “seeking spirituality”. In asking for an explanation for your belief in biblical stories, I believe I am seeking spirituality.
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Take it easy. 🙂
I meant this thread should move to Apologetics forum.
This forum is for, as it says, “Our daily walk with Christ, prayers, saints, sacramentals”

and what is you purpose here? -denying there is God, yes?no?
 
Em_in_FL said:
No that was not my point at all.
(… yet I’m pretty sure I did worship said pickle during my pregnancies… so I’m WELL AWARE of it’s existance! 😃 )

My point was that there is NO OTHER complete explaination for the creation of life and the universe. Science alone can only take us so far.
If you’re okay not having a complete explanation for life… then fine, go on living that way…

But then I’m not sure why you’d be hangin’ out on a Catholic bulletin board if you weren’t interested… :o
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Science is simply the study of how God did it. 😃
 
mikew262 said:
Imagine23:

Why are posing this question on this forum? What are you trying to accomplish? Do you still have some doubts that maybe God truly does exist and you’re trying to dispel those doubts with us?

You’re not going to convince anybody here that God doesn’t exist.

If the question dealt with why do we have formal religions vs. just a universal belief in God, then you might have something.

Maybe you should go hang out on an atheist forum where all of you can laugh at us poor ignorant believers.

90% of Americans believe in God. What makes you think you have it right and 90% have it wrong? I will never understand that arrogance.
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Your last point is an excellent one. In medievel times, 100% (or very close thereto) of humans thought that the world was the center of the universe, the earth was flat and attaching leeches to ones body was the best way to cure many ailments. The germ theory was not yet accepted and 100% of humans thought it was completely safe and acceptable to use the bathroom/play with mud, and then eat with your hands.

We now know that 100% of those people were wrong. So you see, it is possible for 90% of the population to be wrong.
 
I find it hilarious that you are on a Catholic forum trying to get us to believe that God doesn’t exist. Why don’t you and your fellow atheists go and save the world…along with the Catholics…and other Christian charities that go into 3rd world countries and bring medicine and surgery services to people who can’t afford them. I can’t think of one atheist organization that does that.

By the way, you were just a “lump of cells” at one time also. Good thing some doctor didn’t kill you off.

Stem Cell research doesn’t have to be about religion, it’s about Natural Law. You know who came up with Natural Law? Aristotle.
 
Imagine23 said:
Your last point is an excellent one. In medievel times, 100% (or very close thereto) of humans thought that the world was the center of the universe, the earth was flat and attaching leeches to ones body was the best way to cure many ailments. The germ theory was not yet accepted and 100% of humans thought it was completely safe and acceptable to use the bathroom/play with mud, and then eat with your hands.

We now know that 100% of those people were wrong. So you see, it is possible for 90% of the population to be wrong.
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Religion is based on faith, not reason.
 
mikew262 said:
Science is simply the study of how God did it. 😃
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EXACTLY! 👍
We just haven’t figured the whole thing out yet… not sure if we ever will as humans!
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Imagine23:
Emily, There are a lot of things that we cannot explain yet. That doesn’t mean we should rely on a 2000 year old book (written by humans like you and me, actually not quite, they had much inferior knowledge about our world and the science that we take for granted) for the answer rather than continue to seek answers based on sound logic.

In any event God as an explanation is incomplete. If God created the universe and everything in it, who created God?
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We don’t only rely on a 2000 year old book.
We rely on history.
We rely on physical scientific evidence.
We rely on logic.
We rely on faith.

God IS.
He didn’t need to “be created”.
He has no beginning and no ending.
He created time.
He is nothing but LOVE.
That love exploded into creation… it could not be contained.
 
StratusRose said:
I find it hilarious that you are on a Catholic forum trying to get us to believe that God doesn’t exist. Why don’t you and your fellow atheists go and save the world…along with the Catholics…and other Christian charities that go into 3rd world countries and bring medicine and surgery services to people who can’t afford them. I can’t think of one atheist organization that does that.

By the way, you were just a “lump of cells” at one time also. Good thing some doctor didn’t kill you off.

Stem Cell research doesn’t have to be about religion, it’s about Natural Law. You know who came up with Natural Law? Aristotle.
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Actually, I’m trying to get you all to convince me of God’s existence. You are failing miserably.

The largest providers of charitable services to third world countries are atheist organizations. They are called countries (Great Britain, France, Japan, Germany, etc.).

The cells at issue are blastocysts. They are a group of about 150 cells. It is ridiculous to think they could feel suffering. To deny the huge potential benefit stem cell research could reap for fear of killing 150 cells is insane.

Yes, doctors perform abortions. So does God. A significant number of pregnancies actually terminate through spontaneous abortion without the mother even knowing she was pregnant. This must be the work of God, right? Therefore God is an abortionist.
 
Imagine23 said:
Actually, I’m trying to get you all to convince me of God’s existence. You are failing miserably.
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Did you mean Satan win over you now? :rolleyes:

Have you known that there are many who were like you, wondering if there is God, and it took some of them 1 day to realize, others 1 year, other 15 years, and other 40 years.

We believe in God’s Mercy, Will, and His Time.

We can pray for you, but we live in faith and leave it up to God.
 
Emily, There are a lot of things that we cannot explain yet. That doesn’t mean we should rely on a 2000 year old book (written by humans like you and me, actually not quite, they had much inferior knowledge about our world and the science that we take for granted) for the answer rather than continue to seek answers based on sound logic.
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The Bible is not a book on how to build a world. There are 4 different ways to interpret it. Literally, morally, anagogically, and allegorically. You make a lot of assumptions based on your own ignorance. Maybe there’s more to religion than you think.
 
Imagine23 said:
Faith in that sense is the irrational belief in something for which there is no evidence.
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Do you have faith that your wife will not cheat on you? Did she present evidence to you that she would not cheat?
 
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