Why can't Dalai Lama be reincarnated as woman?

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And what added information is that? He does not remember his former life as far as I know. I would have to research this for clarity.
Added as in added during my conversations on this topic.
I don’t know.
There’s a problem there. He seems to be able to control that he’s going to come back as Dalai Lama, so potentially he could come back as anyone.
Helping others is part of the path that leads to nirvana.
But you can’t do it from nirvana. He seems only able/willing to do so as a male, and as a Dalai Lama
Why is gender such a sore spot for you?
It’s not just gender. It’s the whole notion that he’s some being able to continually put his progression *to * Nirvana on hold, and can come back as the next Dalai Lama, but not as anyone else, or a woman.
He’s written numerous books, initiated many people into Buddhism and empowered millions with his message of peace and non-violence and won a Nobel Peace Prize. Somehow, I think that’s better than being a surgeon who simply prolongs the death that is to come for all of us.
That’s a terrible value judgment to make.
I’m afraid you are mistaken. His Holiness the Dalai Lama sent letters to many world leaders asking for help before the Chinese invasion. He watched Western movies and was friendly to the West. Your attitude towards this leader astounds me. I respect His Holiness Pope John Paul 2 very much and would never try to slander him or belittle him and I was never Catholic
I don’t deny that he asked for help. What you are failing to grasp is that he put himself in a hermit kingdom. You argued he’s put himself into a position based on where’s he’s most likely to help - offering a value judgment in doing so - and missing the point that for centuries of his reincarnations he’s had Tibet cut off from the rest of the world.
There have been and will be many bodhisattvas in the world which span the globe. It’s only this bodhisattva specifically that is helping this part of the world he lives in. Again, lose the attitude. It’s very unbecoming. I’ve not shown any disrespect at all to your faith or your saints, God or popes. I expect the same in return.
What ‘attitude’? You think he’s better than a surgeon. You also want to have two arguments at once that he’s put himself in a position where he can help people, but that when he was a hermit king (in previous incarnations) they’ve been other bodhisattva’s to help local groups! SO which is it, is he there for his own locale, or not? What happened to the other bodhisattvas?
Again, the gender issue. I’m beginning to think you hate males
You seem to think surgeons aren’t that worthy a profession. But the ‘gender’ issue is only an issue because your Dalai Lama keeps only coming back a male.
I follow teachings from a Venerable Shi Wu Ling who is an American Pure Land nun. She sees no problem with being a woman and following the Buddha’s path, along with many, many other Zen teachers.
Can she only come back as a woman?
Montalban believes her way is right and everyone else is wrong obviously and seeks to slander not only a brilliant, compassionate man, but belittle a humble Buddhist trying to explain his faith (without antagonistic or ugly behavior).
a) I’m a man
b) you’re the one who made judgment calls on who is better able to do good…
It must be a male, in Tibet, who’s been isolated for centuries, but that’s okay because there were others to help local groups - only not now? You simply come unstuck by your own attempts to justify a particular stance. And because you’re frustrated over this, you think I have a closed mind!
Now, see how silly this is?
Indeed I do. That’s why I’m not a Lamist.
You are not interested in dialogue or learning. I was only seeking to help clarify the Buddhist position. This is the reason why I stayed away so long before.

Open thy mind.

May you be happy and blessed…

Fa Chan
This simply is another judgment call - that I, because I don’t agree with you - I don’t have an open mind; and that I’m neither happy nor blessed. You might want to wrap up a message of judgment in one of peace but underneath your message is confusion and intolerance. Especially when you’re exasperated trying to come up with answers to questions - which to you seem to be a sign of being insulting.

No wonder you’ve been away for so long. Answering questions seems to be that upsetting!
 
You may want to read this article.
Under prevailing Tibetan tradition, based on reincarnation, the leader is chosen in a ritual in which the right child is found to fill the place of the previous Dalai Lama.
“My successor could even be found in Finland”, joked the cheery 71-year-old Dalai Lama as flash cameras went off.
He added that a woman would be quite suitable for the post.
He has also stated that it would be OK for people to elect the next Dalai Lama if they so choose.
 
snipped for brevity…
It’s not just gender. It’s the whole notion that he’s some being able to continually put his progression *to * Nirvana on hold, and can come back as the next Dalai Lama, but not as anyone else, or a woman.

That’s a terrible value judgment to make.
Your opinion is that this is the case. My opinion is that it’s a good judgement. So, are you right because you say so? It’s simply my viewpoint. Take it or leave it.
I don’t deny that he asked for help. What you are failing to grasp is that he put himself in a hermit kingdom. You argued he’s put himself into a position based on where’s he’s most likely to help - offering a value judgment in doing so - and missing the point that for centuries of his reincarnations he’s had Tibet cut off from the rest of the world.
What ‘attitude’? You think he’s better than a surgeon. You also want to have two arguments at once that he’s put himself in a position where he can help people, but that when he was a hermit king (in previous incarnations) they’ve been other bodhisattva’s to help local groups! SO which is it, is he there for his own locale, or not? What happened to the other bodhisattvas?
Again, you find fault with my judgement. Why is your judgement better than mine? I most certainly think he is much more valuable as a bodhisattva than as a surgeon for the very reasons I stated. Again, take it or leave it. It’s my judgement. Should I have yours?
You seem to think surgeons aren’t that worthy a profession. But the ‘gender’ issue is only an issue because your Dalai Lama keeps only coming back a male.
I don’t think their profession is as important as the Dalai Lama for the very reasons I stated. You keep referring to the gender issue, not me. I was just curious as to why you are hooked on it.
Can she only come back as a woman?
She can come back as she wishes I suppose. There’s no definitive answer I can give you beyond that.
a) I’m a man
b) you’re the one who made judgment calls on who is better able to do good…
It must be a male, in Tibet, who’s been isolated for centuries, but that’s okay because there were others to help local groups - only not now? You simply come unstuck by your own attempts to justify a particular stance. And because you’re frustrated over this, you think I have a closed mind!
Yes, I am a logical human with the mind God has given me. I think I have the right to use it to my own abilities, however inadequate it may be. I don’t leave judgement calls up to you. I would be simply a mindless follower of the religion of Montalban if I only listened to you silly 🙂 I’m frustrated at your attempts to undermine the Dalai Lama and slander me and him. So, yes, I think you have a closed mind that’s already made up.
Indeed I do. That’s why I’m not a Lamist.
This simply is another judgment call - that I, because I don’t agree with you - I don’t have an open mind; and that I’m neither happy nor blessed. You might want to wrap up a message of judgment in one of peace but underneath your message is confusion and intolerance. Especially when you’re exasperated trying to come up with answers to questions - which to you seem to be a sign of being insulting.
Okay, yes, another judgement call. So, what’s your point? Again, am I to listen to only what Montalban has to say about a subject or should I use my own intellect? I gave you my answers. You simply don’t want to listen to them. How can I help that?
No wonder you’ve been away for so long. Answering questions seems to be that upsetting!
I’m not upset. Just confused at your endless questioning and then not liking the answers you are given. That’s not my problem.

I didn’t say you weren’t happy and blessed. I simply speak to everyone that way as a sign of peace and a wish of goodwill. And yet you have a problem with even this? Should I yell at you and call you names to make you feel more comfortable? I make judgements just as you do my friend. I’m a human after all. I don’t think I have to answer to you for that. Intolerance? LOL, I moderate an interfaith forum where I am one of the most open-minded people there. I respect all religions even if I don’t agree with them. Can you say the same?

I wish you only happiness and peace Montalban. I certainly don’t want to create any more negative karma for me or you. You are right and I am wrong.

Two of the lines from the Metta Sutra (one of the Buddhist Scriptures) is:

May you be happy
May you be free from suffering.

I meant no disrespect. To the contrary, I was simply offering you goodwill and compassion. We are from two different worlds I suppose and communication is difficult. Therefore, I leave you in peace.

Fa Chan
 
Added as in added during my conversations on this topic.

There’s a problem there. He seems to be able to control that he’s going to come back as Dalai Lama, so potentially he could come back as anyone.

But you can’t do it from nirvana. He seems only able/willing to do so as a male, and as a Dalai Lama

It’s not just gender. It’s the whole notion that he’s some being able to continually put his progression *to * Nirvana on hold, and can come back as the next Dalai Lama, but not as anyone else, or a woman.

That’s a terrible value judgment to make.

I don’t deny that he asked for help. What you are failing to grasp is that he put himself in a hermit kingdom. You argued he’s put himself into a position based on where’s he’s most likely to help - offering a value judgment in doing so - and missing the point that for centuries of his reincarnations he’s had Tibet cut off from the rest of the world.

What ‘attitude’? You think he’s better than a surgeon. You also want to have two arguments at once that he’s put himself in a position where he can help people, but that when he was a hermit king (in previous incarnations) they’ve been other bodhisattva’s to help local groups! SO which is it, is he there for his own locale, or not? What happened to the other bodhisattvas?

You seem to think surgeons aren’t that worthy a profession. But the ‘gender’ issue is only an issue because your Dalai Lama keeps only coming back a male.

Can she only come back as a woman?

a) I’m a man
b) you’re the one who made judgment calls on who is better able to do good…
It must be a male, in Tibet, who’s been isolated for centuries, but that’s okay because there were others to help local groups - only not now? You simply come unstuck by your own attempts to justify a particular stance. And because you’re frustrated over this, you think I have a closed mind!

Indeed I do. That’s why I’m not a Lamist.

This simply is another judgment call - that I, because I don’t agree with you - I don’t have an open mind; and that I’m neither happy nor blessed. You might want to wrap up a message of judgment in one of peace but underneath your message is confusion and intolerance. Especially when you’re exasperated trying to come up with answers to questions - which to you seem to be a sign of being insulting.

No wonder you’ve been away for so long. Answering questions seems to be that upsetting!
I only wish you happiness and peace Montalban. May you be blessed for the rest of your days. I do not wish to create ill-will or negative karma with a discussion like this. My wish is to simply practice kindness and compassion although I admit I am imperfect and fail at this. Forgive me for my faults in this regard.

Peace…

Fa Chan
 
I only wish you happiness and peace Montalban. May you be blessed for the rest of your days. I do not wish to create ill-will or negative karma with a discussion like this. My wish is to simply practice kindness and compassion although I admit I am imperfect and fail at this. Forgive me for my faults in this regard.

Peace…

Fa Chan
How’s the Dalai Lama show ‘compassion’ when someone asks him a question? Does he just say what you say and not answer?
 
You may want to read this article.
reminds me of the film “Little Buddha” - which I found a very nice film, and I loved how it told the story of the Buddha - played by Kenau Reeves (as Siddhartha)

This would go somewhat to the issue of why’s the Dalai Lama only in Tibet. However it still doesn’t address issues such as how/why this person’s able to come back as the next Dalai Lama (and as a man)
He has also stated that it would be OK for people to elect the next Dalai Lama if they so choose.
This would only aggrevate attempts at logically explaining this religion. Somehow the ‘people’ will be able to ascertain the next Dalai Lama’s incarnation?
 
How’s the Dalai Lama show ‘compassion’ when someone asks him a question? Does he just say what you say and not answer?
I cannot speak for His Holiness the Dalai Lama. But for me, it sometimes is better to not say anything at all. This can be a practice of compassion if it stops negative thoughts from becoming negative actions. Again, forgive me my inadequacies at providing an answer suitable for you.

Peace…

Fa Chan
 
I cannot speak for His Holiness the Dalai Lama. But for me, it sometimes is better to not say anything at all. This can be a practice of compassion if it stops negative thoughts from becoming negative actions. Again, forgive me my inadequacies at providing an answer suitable for you.

Peace…

Fa Chan
There’s nothing to forgive.

I don’t know everything about Orthodoxy. But I certainly don’t believe I get hostile to people who ask difficult questions, either… others may not agree.
 
There’s nothing to forgive.

I don’t know everything about Orthodoxy. But I certainly don’t believe I get hostile to people who ask difficult questions, either… others may not agree.
You should know that Fa Chan is a Pure Land Buddhist doing his best to answer questions about Tibetan Buddhism.

Perhaps you missed my post where the Dalai Lama said he might come back as a woman.

The position of the Dalai Lama is twofold. He is the political head of Tibet in exile. As such he said that perhaps this aspect of the post could be elected. He is also a religious head of one lineage of Tibetan Buddhism. He can only speak on religious matters for that one lineage. The heads of other lineages greatly respect him, but do not have to follow his wishes. The Dalai Lama is not the Pope of Buddhism. He is not even the spiritual head of all of Tibetan Buddhism.

As a Tibetan Buddhist, he has taken a vow to refrain from the final step of “enlightenment without remainder” or Nirvana until all sentient beings reach enlightenment. Women who follow Tibetan Buddhism take the same vow. There are female Bodhisattvas in all Traditions of Buddhism. Nothing in Buddhism prevents or discourages a woman from reaching enlightenment and Nirvana/Nibbana. There are sections of the Pali Cannon that are written exclusively by women and women taught the Dhamma/Dharma in Buddha’s time.

I hope that a Tibetan Buddhist will post detailed explanations to your questions. Until then here is a link to the Home Page of the Government of Tibet in Exile. Perhaps your questions, to the extent they have not already been answered, can be answered here.

tibet.com/index.html
 
You should know that Fa Chan is a Pure Land Buddhist doing his best to answer questions about Tibetan Buddhism.
I appreciate that not everyone knows everything about their faith by noting that I don’t know everything about Orthodoxy.
Perhaps you missed my post where the Dalai Lama said he might come back as a woman.
Yes, I did miss that. Where’d he say it?
The position of the Dalai Lama is twofold. He is the political head of Tibet in exile. As such he said that perhaps this aspect of the post could be elected. He is also a religious head of one lineage of Tibetan Buddhism. He can only speak on religious matters for that one lineage. The heads of other lineages greatly respect him, but do not have to follow his wishes. The Dalai Lama is not the Pope of Buddhism. He is not even the spiritual head of all of Tibetan Buddhism.

As a Tibetan Buddhist, he has taken a vow to refrain from the final step of “enlightenment without remainder” or Nirvana until all sentient beings reach enlightenment.
So he’ll be the last?
Women who follow Tibetan Buddhism take the same vow. There are female Bodhisattvas in all Traditions of Buddhism. Nothing in Buddhism prevents or discourages a woman from reaching enlightenment and Nirvana/Nibbana. There are sections of the Pali Cannon that are written exclusively by women and women taught the Dhamma/Dharma in Buddha’s time.

I hope that a Tibetan Buddhist will post detailed explanations to your questions. Until then here is a link to the Home Page of the Government of Tibet in Exile. Perhaps your questions, to the extent they have not already been answered, can be answered here.

tibet.com/index.html
How’s he able to put off his incarnation, and to guide himself into the next male body that will be Dalai Lama?
 
I appreciate that not everyone knows everything about their faith by noting that I don’t know everything about Orthodoxy.

Yes, I did miss that. Where’d he say it?

So he’ll be the last?

How’s he able to put off his incarnation, and to guide himself into the next male body that will be Dalai Lama?
Well, now you are getting beyond my knowledge of Tibetan Buddhism. I am a Theravada Buddhist (southern school). The schools or traditions of Buddhism are as different as the schools or sects of Christianity. It is like asking a Baptist and a Quaker to explain Catholicism without error. Each could only go so far.

Here is the link were HHDL says he could come back as a woman. hs.fi/english/article/Dalai+Lama+says+his+successor+could+even+be+a+Finnish+woman/1135222025776

Here is the link to the Government of Tibet in Exile Home Page.
tibet.com/index.html

If you Google “Tibetan Buddhist Forums”, you should be able to find a Tibetan Buddhist to answer your questions. 🙂
 
Well, now you are getting beyond my knowledge of Tibetan Buddhism. I am a Theravada Buddhist (southern school). The schools or traditions of Buddhism are as different as the schools or sects of Christianity. It is like asking a Baptist and a Quaker to explain Catholicism without error. Each could only go so far.
Are there different varities of reincarnation too?

How do you understand the process by which a person can affect their own incarnations?

Did Buddha himself hang around?
 
Are there different varities of reincarnation too?

How do you understand the process by which a person can affect their own incarnations?

Did Buddha himself hang around?
I won’t try to speak for any other tradition of Buddhism, but Theravada Buddhists believe in rebirth and do not use the word reincarnation. There is no eternal self to be reincarnated to the word makes no sense to Theravadans.

Buddha did not hang around, although his teachings did. As I mentioned before, the Bodhisattva Vow is found in Mahayana and Vajrayana forms.

I wish a Tibetan Buddhist would post.😉

The following is my limited understanding of reincarnation according to the Tibetan tradition. First, I think they also use the term reincarnation as interchangeable with rebirth and not in the Hindu sense of the word.

Second, by prayers and ceremonies at the time of death Tibetans can influence their rebirth by influencing their last thoughts. To a certain extent all forms of Buddhism believe this. The dying person should make an effort to think of the good things they have accomplished in their lives and of the teachings of the Buddha.

There is a concept called Bardo, which is the intermediate step between the previous life and the next rebirth. Theravada does not have this concept.

I realize I have not directly answered you questions. Perhaps you can do some further research on some of the terms I have used in the response.

I would like to ask you, why this particular focus for your questions? Is there a larger question you want to ask?
 
Why’s it not happened so far? It was Fa Chan’s contention that the Dalai Lama puts off Niravana in order to help the most people - and as I pointed out, locking oneself up in a hermit kingdom for most of his incarnations doesn’t seem to prove this.
My understanding is limited and I offer this website for your learning:

dharmanet.org/lcmahayanastudy.htm

Forgive me if I have mistakenly offered answers that are not true. It was simply my understanding.

Peace…

Fa Chan
 
Why’s it not happened so far? It was Fa Chan’s contention that the Dalai Lama puts off Niravana in order to help the most people - and as I pointed out, locking oneself up in a hermit kingdom for most of his incarnations doesn’t seem to prove this.
As for locking himself up in a hermit kingdom, the Tibetans don’t consider themselves hermits. They were isolated that is true, but they still had trade with surrounding countries. Just because they didn’t come to the attention of the West until this past century does not mean they were hermits. It is rather Westerncentic to think so.

The Dalai Lama is not the only Bodhisattva in the world or for that matter in other planes of existence. Why wasn’t Christ born before Moses? Think of how many could have been brought to the Catholic religions sooner.

Proper action always requires the proper time in order to be effective.
 
As for locking himself up in a hermit kingdom, the Tibetans don’t consider themselves hermits. They were isolated that is true, but they still had trade with surrounding countries. Just because they didn’t come to the attention of the West until this past century does not mean they were hermits. It is rather Westerncentic to think so.
This is false. The British in India knew about them and offered to trade with them, but actually had to force the door open, with Younghusband’s expedition in the early 1900s. The Brits had been in India since the 1600s. Your revision of history is interesting.
The Dalai Lama is not the only Bodhisattva in the world or for that matter in other planes of existence. Why wasn’t Christ born before Moses? Think of how many could have been brought to the Catholic religions sooner.
Christ was not born before Moses. Unless you mean ‘begotten’, but this is not a thread about Christian concepts of God
Proper action always requires the proper time in order to be effective.
Of the Dalai Lama; that’s simply to assume what ever it is he’s done is proper!
 
This is false. The British in India knew about them and offered to trade with them, but actually had to force the door open, with Younghusband’s expedition in the early 1900s. The Brits had been in India since the 1600s. Your revision of history is interesting.

Christ was not born before Moses. Unless you mean ‘begotten’, but this is not a thread about Christian concepts of God

Of the Dalai Lama; that’s simply to assume what ever it is he’s done is proper!
You miss my point. I said why wasn’t Christ born before Moses? It would have brought more people to Catholicism. I was using it as an example of timing being part of everything that happens. There is even a Biblical passage about there is “a time for every purpose under heaven.” My point was that there is a proper time for things to happen.

I never said that everything the Dalai Lama did was proper. I merely suggested that perhaps there hasn’t been the proper time for the reincarnation outside of Tibet. Perhaps I wasn’t making myself clear. Perhaps you weren’t reading carefully. 😉

As for history, I was not revising it. That term assumes that one knows something and then changes it to suit the situation. I did not do that. I am unaware of any trade attempts by the East India Company with Tibet. If Tibet rejected their attempts to enter, then how could Tibet be widely known in the West? Just because Tibet refused to trade with the East India Company does not make it a hermit country.

I would also like to see a source for your statement that there was actually an attempt to trade with Tibet by England in the 1600’s. I am always willing to learn more about history.

So to put this all together, Tibet is not a Hermit Country. The reincarnations of the Dalai Lama are what they are. Timing is everything.

Frankly, I don’t understand what your point is about whether the Dalai Lama should or shouldn’t have been reincarnated as a woman. Why wasn’t Christ born a woman? God has no gender.

Perhaps you can explain what information you are seeking. I hope a Tibetan Buddhist will post to answer your questions. I have previously provided links if you choose to do some research.
 
  1. Why can the incarnation of the Dalai Lama only be male? Or rather, why is it that over the past several hundred years only males have been Dalai Lama?
  2. Why does the incarnation of the Dalai Lama always occur in the area in, near or around Tibet, and not in, say, Malaysia, Vietnam, Russia, Mongolia, or the U.S., Canada, and the countries of Europe?
  3. Who or what is the directing force believed to be behind the selection of the next Dalai Lama?
Thanks!
  1. Because males are better in their culture.
  2. Because that is where the most Hindu are…if they tried that here in America (particularly here in Arkansas where I live) they would be ridiculed and run out of town.
  3. No idea.
 
You miss my point. I said why wasn’t Christ born before Moses?

It would have brought more people to Catholicism. I was using it as an example of timing being part of everything that happens. There is even a Biblical passage about there is “a time for every purpose under heaven.” My point was that there is a proper time for things to happen.
Show that this would have been the case. (and I’m not Catholic). It is you guys, especially Fa Chan who have put forward that the reason he keeps coming back is to save/guide the most souls/people, and you’ve shown no evidence of this, other than to repeat that this must have been the case. The whole premise is based on a just-so argument.
I never said that everything the Dalai Lama did was proper. I merely suggested that perhaps there hasn’t been the proper time for the reincarnation outside of Tibet. Perhaps I wasn’t making myself clear. Perhaps you weren’t reading carefully.
It’s not your contention, but Fa Chan’s that this is the reason he’d be doing so. However now you seem to imply that not only can he put off his own incarnations, and where he is going to be reincarnated, but he’s also able to ascertain what will happen in the future, and position himself in such a place that will recoup the most followers - even though he’s not evidenced this so far by spending generations in Tibet - a hermit kingdom
As for history, I was not revising it. That term assumes that one knows something and then changes it to suit the situation. I did not do that. I am unaware of any trade attempts by the East India Company with Tibet. If Tibet rejected their attempts to enter, then how could Tibet be widely known in the West? Just because Tibet refused to trade with the East India Company does not make it a hermit country.
Well
a) you assume that because they traded with the outside, they weren’t a hermit nation - yet trade is not the same as missionary work
and
b) they were a hermit country, because they banned foreigners from Tibet.

By modern analogy even North Korea ‘trades’ with other nations, but has vast restrictions on the dissemination of information to and from it. For you, simply by virtue of a trickle of trade North Korea’s not an isolated nation! 😉
I would also like to see a source for your statement that there was actually an attempt to trade with Tibet by England in the 1600’s. I am always willing to learn more about history.
Certainly by 1774-75, George Bogle of the East India Company spent the winter months at Tibet’s Tashilhunpo monastery in the Himalayan Mountains with the Panchen Lama. However Tibet closed itself off to the British in India.

Tibet was known to the Europeans in India. But there was no ‘open door’ by Tibet. It was happy being cut-off from them.
So to put this all together, Tibet is not a Hermit Country. The reincarnations of the Dalai Lama are what they are. Timing is everything.
Tibet was a hermit country. Did you not even see this in the film “Seven Years in Tibet”; only two westerners in the whole nation in 1943, and they were repeatedly forced back by border guards. How many were enjoying Tibet when China invaded?
Frankly, I don’t understand what your point is about whether the Dalai Lama should or shouldn’t have been reincarnated as a woman.
Because he’s limiting his incarnations to a male. He must (according to you) have a reason for staying male, if he’s able to control his incarnations.
Why wasn’t Christ born a woman? God has no gender.
That’s a different debate. I know you’re hankering to divert this debate onto an examination of Christianity.
Perhaps you can explain what information you are seeking. I hope a Tibetan Buddhist will post to answer your questions. I have previously provided links if you choose to do some research.
I’ve already done this. I’ve asked how is it he’s seemingly able to control his incarnations, yet repeatedly comes back as a guy in Tibet, in the same position.
 
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