Why can't forgiveness for the sin of abortion be available to all?

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I just have a quick question. I’m currently a protestant who will start RCIA in 2 weeks. I have been attending Holy Mass for about 5 months now and am very excited to start the class. I just read an article that the Pope had extended forgiveness for the sin of abortion, through confession, only to those in Madrid during World Youth Day. My question is: Why can’t those who have sinned and had an abortion or those men who have sinned and encouraged abortion find forgiveness and reconciliation the world over? I am pro-life and my heart breaks for those coutless souls lost in the modern holocaust that is abortion. My heart also breaks for those who are truly sorry for their sin and who seek forgiveness? Why can’t they find it in the Catholic Church? I do not wish to stir the pot, just get some clarification. I was always taught growing up that everyone can receive forgiveness for their sins, no matter how grave. I just feel that if a heart and soul is truly sorry and seeks communion with the church and genuine forgiveness, why can’t they be forgiven? Didn’t Christ die to extend forgiveness to all? Thanks!
Here’s a link to the article:

religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/08/18/authority-to-absolve-sin-of-abortion-extended-for-papal-visit/?hpt=hp_c2

Keep the faith, always.

graceandfaith
 
I believe you are misunderstanding what is actually being said.

There are some sins, abortion among them, that must be confessed to a Bishop.
In many cases, and here in the US, most Bishops I believe have extended this ability to parish priests.
I am thinking that this may not be the case in Spain, and that the Pope,
by making this statement, is actually encouraging & allowing any priest
who is participating in WYD to absolve a man or woman who may be guilty of this particualr sin.
 
I just read an article that the Pope had extended forgiveness for the sin of abortion, through confession, only to those in Madrid during World Youth Day.
There are a lot of errors wrapped up just in this sentence alone. Let me see if I can help.

Abortion, as you might guess, is a sin, just like robbery, gossiping, and anything else. Priests always have the authority to forgive sins when faced with a contrite penitent.

Certain sins, however, also carry excommunication. Excommunication is an ecclesiastical penalty; it is not a “higher grade of sin” or a judgment that you are “on the outs with God” or anything like that. The very sinfulness of the action itself puts you on the outs with God. Only a small number of sins carry the penalty of excommunication, and these are mostly ones that strike at the unity of the Church itself: schism, laying violent hands on the pope, violating the seal of the confessional, consecrating bishops without a papal mandate, the simulated ordination of women, and so on. Excommunication, which among other things deprives the subject of all the sacraments, is intended both to underscore the severity of the offense and deter its commission, and also as a corrective measure to bring people to repentance. Excommunication as a penalty for the abortion of a quickened child is recorded at least since the reign of Gregory XIV (died 1591). In 1869 Pius IX extended this to all abortions. As the Catechism explains (¶ 2272), by excommunication “[t]he Church does not thereby intend to restrict the scope of mercy. Rather, she makes clear the gravity of the crime committed, the irreparable harm done to the innocent who is put to death, as well as to the parents and the whole of society.”

Now, some excommunications can only be lifted by the Holy See itself, such as the excommunication incurred by illegitimately consecrating a bishop. Others, such as the excommunication for abortion, fall under the authority of your bishop. If you confess an excommunicable offense to a priest, then that priest will, while preserving your anonymity, go to the bishop and obtain the lifting of the excommunication for you. Obviously, if it is for something like schism, you will probably have to end the schism first; you can’t just say “Well, my bad.”

In the United States, most if not all bishops have delegated to all their priests the authority to lift the excommunication for abortion. Bishops can do this. That is why if you live in the U.S. you have never heard of “special permission” being given to forgive abortions, because priests already have the authority to lift these excommunications (and they always have the authority to forgive the sin itself). In Spain, apparently, the bishops have not delegated this power, so under normal circumstances the lifting of the excommunication must proceed under the normal system up to the bishop himself. What is being reported here is that the Archbishop of Madrid has decided to delegate this power to the priests at World Youth Day for the duration of the gathering.

So when you say that you read that “the Pope has extended forgiveness for abortion, through confession, only to those in Madrid during World Youth Day,” it’s wrong on a lot of counts. First, the pope has nothing to do with it at all. It’s a decision of the Archbishop of Madrid. Second, the issues of “forgiveness” and “excommunication” are two very separate questions. Priest can always absolve the sin, but in Spain they usually cannot lift the excommunication without going through their bishop. Third, it is not just “only to those in Madrid.” If you live in the U.S. – and probably other countries, though I’ve never looked into it – then your priest already has the authority to do this.

So, the moral of this story is that you should never get your info on any kind of ecclesiastical topic from the news. Not once in my life have I seen them get anything completely right. 🙂
 
I believe you are misunderstanding what is actually being said.

There are some sins, abortion among them, that must be confessed to a Bishop.
In many cases, and here in the US, most Bishops I believe have extended this ability to parish priests.
I am thinking that this may not be the case in Spain, and that the Pope,
by making this statement, is actually encouraging & allowing any priest
who is participating in WYD to absolve a man or woman who may be guilty of this particualr sin.
From what I have read, it isn’t that priests in Spain haven’t been given the ability to lift the excommunications, it’s that most of the priests hearing Confessions at WYD are not local. They can’t exercise that privalege outside of their own diocese without the host bishop’s authority. Basically, the Pope just granted a blanket authority for the priests ast WYD to shortcut the paperwork process.

Chances are, most of those priests have the authority already in their home diocese.

Grace, the forgiveness IS available to all who bring it to the Sacrament of Confession. The extra thing needed is to lift the excommunication attached to having procurred an abortion. In virtually every parish, there is one priest who has been given the authority to lift that as well.
 
I just have a quick question. I’m currently a protestant who will start RCIA in 2 weeks. I have been attending Holy Mass for about 5 months now and am very excited to start the class. I just read an article that the Pope had extended forgiveness for the sin of abortion, through confession, only to those in Madrid during World Youth Day. My question is: Why can’t those who have sinned and had an abortion or those men who have sinned and encouraged abortion find forgiveness and reconciliation the world over? I am pro-life and my heart breaks for those coutless souls lost in the modern holocaust that is abortion. My heart also breaks for those who are truly sorry for their sin and who seek forgiveness? Why can’t they find it in the Catholic Church? I do not wish to stir the pot, just get some clarification. I was always taught growing up that everyone can receive forgiveness for their sins, no matter how grave. I just feel that if a heart and soul is truly sorry and seeks communion with the church and genuine forgiveness, why can’t they be forgiven? Didn’t Christ die to extend forgiveness to all? Thanks!
Here’s a link to the article:

religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/08/18/authority-to-absolve-sin-of-abortion-extended-for-papal-visit/?hpt=hp_c2

Keep the faith, always.

graceandfaith
All sin is forgivable. The only unforgivable sin is unrepentence till death. That’s because it’s a final sin against the Holy Spirit, who urges us to repent. God won’t forgive anyone if they aren’t sorry for their sins.

Re: Abortion, The Church does not intend to restrict the scope of mercy, even though this is a terrible crime against innocent life. Sacramental confession and true repentence will restore one who is guilty of such a sin back to the Church and to spiritual life.

The Catechism has 4 entries under abortion
ccc.scborromeo.org.master.com/texis/master/search/?sufs=0&q=abortion&xsubmit=Search&s=SS
 
Re: Abortion, The Church does not intend to restrict the scope of mercy, even though this is a terrible crime against innocent life. Sacramental confession and true repentence will restore one who is guilty of such a sin back to the Church and to spiritual life.
By itself, that is misleading. Confession and absolution removes the guilt of the sin, but it does not restore an excommunicated person “back to the Church and to spiritual life.” In many cases (such as in the U.S., and in Madrid during World Youth Day) the excommunication can also be lifted at the same time as absolution is given, but in other cases it cannot.
 
By itself, that is misleading. Confession and absolution removes the guilt of the sin, but it does not restore an excommunicated person “back to the Church and to spiritual life.” In many cases (such as in the U.S., and in Madrid during World Youth Day) the excommunication can also be lifted at the same time as absolution is given, but in other cases it cannot.
So what does this mean? Those who have had abortions can be forever excommunicated?
 
Thanks all for the clarification on the difference between excommunication/ forgiveness. I do appreciate it. I may have just misread the facts. Thanks so much! But I do have another question. What if the individual is not Catholic and does not have the ability to “Confess”? I struggle with this thought. Thanks. Once again I do not wish to “stir the pot”, I just have some questions. Maybe they should be saved for when I begin RCIA, but I figure I can get some answers through venues such as this. Thanks so much!
 
So what does this mean? Those who have had abortions can be forever excommunicated?
No, it means that in places where bishops have not delegated to individual priests the authority to lift these excommunications, the matter must go up to the bishop himself. From what I have read, the priest would contact the bishop on your behalf, preserving your anonymity, and then the bishop lifts the penalty. Thus, the two components necessary to restore you to the state of grace (absolution) and to communion with the Church (the lifting of your excommunication) can both be done, but the second requires more time and process. As I say, as far as the United States goes this issue does not arise.
 
By itself, that is misleading. Confession and absolution removes the guilt of the sin, but it does not restore an excommunicated person “back to the Church and to spiritual life.” In many cases (such as in the U.S., and in Madrid during World Youth Day) the excommunication can also be lifted at the same time as absolution is given, but in other cases it cannot.
Priests in the U.S A. have the right to restore a person to the Church after excommunication due to abortion. True repentence in confession and absolution restores that soul.
 
Thanks all for the clarification on the difference between excommunication/ forgiveness. I do appreciate it. I may have just misread the facts.
No, the “facts” you read were just wrong. I read an article or two myself that made similar wild blunders and misrepresentations.
Thanks so much! But I do have another question. What if the individual is not Catholic and does not have the ability to “Confess”? I struggle with this thought. Thanks. Once again I do not wish to “stir the pot”, I just have some questions. Maybe they should be saved for when I begin RCIA, but I figure I can get some answers through venues such as this. Thanks so much!
If you are not Catholic, then you cannot “be excommunicated” – you are out of communion with the Catholic Church by the very fact of being non-Catholic.

And you do have the “ability” to confess and obtain sacramental absolution of your sins. It simply requires joining the Church! Easy as that. That’s what we’re here for anyway. 🙂
 
So what does this mean? Those who have had abortions can be forever excommunicated?
no, the meaning has been thoroughly explained
the sin of abortion carries the automatic penalty of excommunication which can be lifted only by the bishop
most bishops have already given their priests permission to lift this ban on receiving the sacraments
no priest has that faculty outside his own diocese
by his statement, the Pope has just gone on “overrride” and given that permission to all priests who have come from all over the world to WYD, so any confessions they here can also restore the penitent to full communion with the Church.

Yes abortion is forgiveable and most priests, in their own diocese, already have permission to lift the excommunication as well

the Catholic sacrament of confession and Eucharist are open only to members of the Catholic Church, so a non-Catholic should see their own clergy. For someone who belongs to a denomination that does not have the assurance of forgiveness in the sacrament of confession, and feels that Church teaching on that matter is the true one, they should consider becoming Catholic and having that assurance.

a non-Catholic cannot be excommunicated so that is not an issue.
 
Priests in the U.S A. have the right to restore a person to the Church after excommunication due to abortion. True repentence in confession and absolution restores that soul.
Nevertheless, the absolution and the lifting of the excommunication are conceptually separate. The first is a sacramental act and done by the priest in persona Christi, while the second is purely the exercise of ecclesiastical authority. The absolution does not restore such a penitent to the Church; the lifting of the excommunication is what does that.
 
no, the meaning has been thoroughly explained
the sin of abortion carries the automatic penalty of excommunication which can be lifted only by the bishop
most bishops have already given their priests permission to lift this ban on receiving the sacraments
no priest has that faculty outside his own diocese
by his statement, the Pope has just gone on “overrride” and given that permission to all priests who have come from all over the world to WYD, so any confessions they here can also restore the penitent to full communion with the Church.

Yes abortion is forgiveable and most priests, in their own diocese, already have permission to lift the excommunication as well

the Catholic sacrament of confession and Eucharist are open only to members of the Catholic Church, so a non-Catholic should see their own clergy. For someone who belongs to a denomination that does not have the assurance of forgiveness in the sacrament of confession, and feels that Church teaching on that matter is the true one, they should consider becoming Catholic and having that assurance.

a non-Catholic cannot be excommunicated so that is not an issue.
So you know how some confessions are anonymous in that conceivably the priest may not know who you are at all, behind the screen.

Does that mean if you are confessing an abortion, the priest then, MUST know who you are if he has to go to the Bishop? What if he doesn’t have to go to the bishop, must he know who you are to lift the excommunication?
 
So you know how some confessions are anonymous in that conceivably the priest may not know who you are at all, behind the screen.

Does that mean if you are confessing an abortion, the priest then, MUST know who you are if he has to go to the Bishop? What if he doesn’t have to go to the bishop, must he know who you are to lift the excommunication?
as has been answered several times in this thread, no, the priest himself can lift that penalty.
 
So you know how some confessions are anonymous in that conceivably the priest may not know who you are at all, behind the screen.

Does that mean if you are confessing an abortion, the priest then, MUST know who you are
if he has to go to the Bishop? What if he doesn’t have to go to the bishop, must he know who you are to lift the excommunication?
No.

When the Catechism says

“A person who procures a completed abortion incurs excommunication latae sententiae,” “by the very commission of the offense,”

No one sends that person a letter from the Church. No one keeps a record in the Church files of one’s abortion. The purpose of this teaching is to show the person their soul is now in huge jeopardy with God after commiting such a sin. It’s imperative then, it gets fixed ASAP…i,e, go to the sacrament of reconciliation…behind a screen or face to face, it doesn’t matter. What matters is that one is profoundly sorry and seeks reconciliation with God.
 
Anyone can be forgiven of any sin through the sacrament of confession if they are truly sorrowful. There is no sin that is greater than God’s mercy. If someone was not present in Madrid they could still be forgiven for an abortion in America, or wherever, through confession. Being in Madrid has nothing to do with the forgiveness that Jesus extends to all people through confession. I’m not quite sure what was said in Madrid but I’m willing to bet that they meant that anyone could be forgiven of an abortion through confession. Also, I read what it said on the CNN website and I’m 90% sure that some of those statements are inaccurate. Any priest has the authority to forgive, or to retain any sin. What is said in the sacrament of confession is kept secret by a solemn sacramental seal, it’s not like the priest can go ask someone else if they can forgive you for your sins. The priest is acting as Christ in the confessional and has the authority to forgive all sins.

On a separate note, isn’t funny how the Church is excommunicating lay people for the sin of abortion while at the same time pro-abortion and pro-gay marriage politicians are being allowed to accept the Eucharist?
 
I just have a quick question. I’m currently a protestant who will start RCIA in 2 weeks. I have been attending Holy Mass for about 5 months now and am very excited to start the class. I just read an article that the Pope had extended forgiveness for the sin of abortion, through confession, only to those in Madrid during World Youth Day. My question is: Why can’t those who have sinned and had an abortion or those men who have sinned and encouraged abortion find forgiveness and reconciliation the world over? I am pro-life and my heart breaks for those coutless souls lost in the modern holocaust that is abortion. My heart also breaks for those who are truly sorry for their sin and who seek forgiveness? Why can’t they find it in the Catholic Church? I do not wish to stir the pot, just get some clarification. I was always taught growing up that everyone can receive forgiveness for their sins, no matter how grave. I just feel that if a heart and soul is truly sorry and seeks communion with the church and genuine forgiveness, why can’t they be forgiven? Didn’t Christ die to extend forgiveness to all? Thanks!
Remember, there is a sin which Christ says will not be forgiven in this world or the next, (i.e., blasphemy of the Spirit, Matt 12:31).

In the case of abortion, however, if it is a person who procures a completed abortion, they receive latae sententiae excommunication (can 1398 in Canon Law). This is a sin which removes one completely from the Mystical Body of Christ and cuts off that person from the spiritual treasury of the Church. An excommunication can only be lifted by those priests with the jurisdiction to do so from their bishops or the Pope.

In my archdiocese, the archbishop has given the jurisdiction to all his confessors in general, except where the lifting of the excommunication is reserved to the Roman Pontiff, of course.

This also does not contradict the fact that at danger of death any priest can absolve sins and lift excommunications during the course of the Last Rites.

– Nicole
 
Forgiveness is avaliable to who those who had an abortion. Until they go to confession and are truly sorrow for this sin the follow the direction of the priest hearing confession the sin can be forgiven.

Their is a group called Rachel’s Vinyard for those who are suffering from fear and guilt and loss of their child who will support them in their suffering. It also is a chance for them to go to confession. It is a reatreat usually held on weekends.

John Parisi
 
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