Why cant God just communicate with us directly?

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If we’re set with the requisite virtues and all that, then it strikes me as a wasteful redundancy for God to bother sending his son to teach us. You just said he doesn’t need to communicate with us. ?]

Similarly, if he intends to remain hidden to help our trust and so on, why so much effort to tell us all the ways we should call on Him, and all the ways He will respond? While a separate critique in its own right, this also, then, falls prey to the same point I made just a minute ago, in that it seems an absurd redundancy.

Again, your model also seems to ignore the infinite suffering which hangs over us as a consequence of not making the right choices. He does not intervene in order to preserve our freedom, but if we choose wrong. Well, here’s your order of "lake of fire, with a side of “wailing and gnashing of teeth.”

Besides, it doesn’t have to be “necessary” in my argument. He said we would receive things we asked for. Did He mean that or not? Or did he only mean that, as long as what we ask for does not include “more clarity”?
Jesus’ words were intended for those who are actually ‘children of the Father,’ who are “in tune” or in harmony with God or require certain graces to “get into tune.” It does not mean anything goes or anything you ask for will be given. He is addressing a particular audience, those who are actually following him, living and acting in harmony with God’s will.

*“Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened.

“Which of you, if his son asks for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a snake? If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him! So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets. (Matthew 7:7-12)*

Discipleship is presumed here. Your request for clarity must not be for a certain kind of clarity, i.e., for God to see it your way, but clarity for you to see it God’s way, to tune yourself properly to enable Divine creativity to work through your freedom to bring about an 'inspired" masterpiece called life. It is working with God, not telling God how he should work or how things should be.
 
Jesus’ words were intended for those who are actually ‘children of the Father,’ who are “in tune” or in harmony with God or require certain graces to “get into tune.” It does not mean anything goes or anything you ask for will be given. He is addressing a particular audience, those who are actually following him, living and acting in harmony with God’s will.

*“Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened.

“Which of you, if his son asks for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a snake? If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him! So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets. (Matthew 7:7-12)*

Discipleship is presumed here. Your request for clarity must not be for a certain kind of clarity, i.e., for God to see it your way, but clarity for you to see it God’s way, to tune yourself properly to enable Divine creativity to work through your freedom to bring about an 'inspired" masterpiece called life. It is working with God, not telling God how he should work or how things should be.
Sure, I’m fine with that. If God changes my heart/mind so that I can see him in all things without him actually speaking in voice from the sky or a burning bush (or whatever), it’s still more clarity. If all someone gets in response to asking for more clarity is more confusion/frustration/silence, then it’s problematic.

Wait. Are you suggesting that parents should only answer their children’s questions or requests for help if the child hasn’t been bad lately? (Or similarly for spouses, another favorite analogy in the tradition.) That’s exactly the opposite of the kind of unconditional love that promotes healthy development and maturation.
 
Convenient. What reason do i have to be convinced?
This all depends upon
  1. what the fundamental premises are that your “reasoning” is based on
  2. whether purpose or teleology is accepted in your "reasoning”
  3. the functional adequacy of your reasoning faculty itself
Hard to know where to start.
 
Sure, I’m fine with that. If God changes my heart/mind so that I can see him in all things without him actually speaking in voice from the sky or a burning bush (or whatever), it’s still more clarity. If all someone gets in response to asking for more clarity is more confusion/frustration/silence, then it’s problematic.
The confusion, frustration and silence may all be very clear responses.

What are you confused about? (Seek answers to what specifically is confusing)
Why are you frustrated? (Trust that answers will come in their due time)
What could the silence itself mean? (Are you actively seeking or passively waiting?)
 
Wait. Are you suggesting that parents should only answer their children’s questions or requests for help if the child hasn’t been bad lately? (Or similarly for spouses, another favorite analogy in the tradition.) That’s exactly the opposite of the kind of unconditional love that promotes healthy development and maturation.
No, that a child who has “been bad” will merit a different set of responses and access to a different set of “gifts” from one who has been “good.” Behaviours have consequences. A parent who indulges good and bad behaviour equally is not a good parent. A loving parent has the best interests of the child at heart and will not indulge bad behaviour because it will end in bad consequences for the child.
 
This all depends upon
  1. what the fundamental premises are that your “reasoning” is based on
  2. whether purpose or teleology is accepted in your "reasoning”
  3. the functional adequacy of your reasoning faculty itself
Hard to know where to start.
Not hard at all. Just give me a credible rational reason why a good God would not communicate with all us directly, instead of just a so called chosen few.

You guys keep shrugging it off like it is not a problem, yet you fail to provide a credible thesis.

Proving that God exists, is not proof of religion.

Anybody can invent a religion and say oh well, you are just not listening, or you’re just not good enough. Sorry. I don’t fall for that kind of psychology.
 
The confusion, frustration and silence may all be very clear responses.

What are you confused about? (Seek answers to what specifically is confusing)
Why are you frustrated? (Trust that answers will come in their due time)
What could the silence itself mean? (Are you actively seeking or passively waiting?)
Easy enough:
1.His existence.
2.Our immortality.
3.Why someone who loves us stays silent or only communicates in the most oblique and ambiguous ways.
4.Why someone who loves us would tell us to come to him with our problems and concerns and suggest that we need to make our own free choices instead of leaning on him to help.
5.2-4 depend on 1, of course, and at least some understanding of his nature.

Without 1, and some awareness of his nature, trusting answers will come is moot.

Yes, I am seeking with everything I’ve got (which is apparently not enough). Being on this forum. In my work. In my studies. In prayer. In dialogue with priests and theologians. If I could afford to go back to school in theology, I would be seeking there too!

I’m open, too. A dancing sun. A stroke of lightning (I’d gladly take one to know he was listening). Aquinas’ mystic sleep with visitation by angels. A sudden offer of a job with the church that I didn’t apply for. I’m pretty flexible. Silence, however? That’s not evidence of anything.
 
That’s one way of avoiding the question. “Nobody matters”. I think it does matter, if you intend to convince people that there is a personal God who loves us and is supposedly communicating with us. If you want people to take Catholicism seriously then you are going to have to defend it rationally, instead of producing ad-hoc avoidance tactics.

Why would any good God choose to not speak to us directly? If God chooses to leave the impression that he might not exist, then nobody really has an obligation to believe that they must live a Catholic life.
Calling it avoidance doesn’t make it so.

Our job as Catholics in not to convince, it is to inform. The Holy Spirit is responsible for the convincing. Part of the informing is to Love as Jesus loved.

Catholism has been defended rationally from the beginning. Rational defense is no guarantee against irrational complaints and attacks.

I don’t know why God doesn’t speak to you directly. My guess that you wouldn’t listen anyway.

Any impression that God does not exist are self imposed. There is plenty of rational evidence.
 
Not hard at all. Just give me a credible rational reason why a good God would not communicate with all us directly, instead of just a so called chosen few.

You guys keep shrugging it off like it is not a problem, yet you fail to provide a credible thesis.

Proving that God exists, is not proof of religion.

Anybody can invent a religion and say oh well, you are just not listening, or you’re just not good enough. Sorry. I don’t fall for that kind of psychology.
The credible thesis is that espoused by Christ Himself - in the story of the rich man and Lazarus the rich man asks if Lazarus can be sent back to warn his relatives. The response? ‘They have Moses and the prophets and did not listen to them - they would not believe even if one risen from the dead were to come to them’.

So - clearly direct communication from beyond is NOT a method that will work for everyone. Whether because they choose not to listen or for other reasons. God is a far better teacher than to take a one-size-fits-all approach to how He transmits a message.

And to say ‘oh but He could make us listen’ is as pointless as me saying ‘Oh, but Incould make you do well in your algebra if I stand over your desk and simply dictate every answer to you.’ Well, how much learning are you really going to do if someone hands you all the answers on a platter? No teacher worth their salt will do that.

As for saying God does not communicate with us directly, imagine in the old days before there were newspapers, radio and tv. Leaders were certainly not seen and heard by almost literally every one of their people as they are today - but does that mean they neither communicated directly nor effectively? More importantly, for all the ‘communication’ do we really know our leaders any better or them any more trustworthy?

Interesting that you don’t see His real physical presence (aka the Eucharist) as being communication. That’s like saying that nothing is communicated between a husband and wife when they make love, or between a parent and child when they hold hands, because nothing may be said at such a time.
 
Convenient. What reason do i have to be convinced?
You mean what reason do you have to be convinced that God manifests Himself to mankind in the things that have been made?

Or that our ability to listen is limited?
You are all avoiding the question. You are speaking about this mystical form of communication. God clearly is described as communicating to man in a more direct fashion. For example St.Paul on the road to damascus.
I disagree. I think the creation is quite direct. When I look upon the things that have been made, I marvel at God. The Hubble photos are truly amazing.

God created us with senses, then manifests Himself to us through them. What is mystical about that? Seems pretty straightforward to me. Why do you say it is “indirect”?

If you were talking to someone, and they were ignoring what you already said, why would you keep talking to them?
Because we are lowly creatures and He is infinite. Trying to squeeze Him into our finite ways and understanding does not work.
You are just asserting that he communicates with us directly.
It is the Truth. We are made in His likeness and image. We have the very stamp of His nature within our souls. He calls to us from within ourselves, and from without.
Why do we need to learn to hear him in the first place, when he can just speak to us directly like he did with the biblical characters of the past.
This is a good question. Of course some people are much more naturally inclined to hear than others. In any relationship, we must learn to hear and understand the other person.
This is not at all very convincing.
What was it you were wanting convincing on? Do you want a suitable explanation for why God does not knock you off your high horse, like He did Saul of Tarsus?
 
Not hard at all. Just give me a credible rational reason why a good God would not communicate with all us directly, instead of just a so called chosen few.
Suppose God’s intention is to form intricately fine tuned human instruments capable of exquisite and sublime acts of goodness; in fact, capable of such finely performed “acts” that these are to the moral or spiritual sphere what Beethoven or Mozart’s compositions are in music (refer to post #225). It seems to me that refining such highly tuned capacities in humans for creating “good” is not to be accomplished by crude tactics such as “direct communication.” This would be in the spiritual realm what having to explain a punch line is to the appreciation of comedy: it simply defeats the point of the whole endeavor.

Another analogy:

If a teacher wants to develop precise and highly refined capacities for logic and critical thinking in his/her students, simply “telling all the answers” plainly does not serve as the proper means to that end. The “blunt” method does not result in keenly thoughtful and aware students, only lethargic ones who feel they are “owed” answers or at least that answers are readily forthcoming with no effort required.

Such direct “blunt force” methods of spiritual training seem more appropriate for getting through to a rock, a vegetable or a recalcitrant dog, i.e., as in the direct application of a newspaper to its nose in the hopes that the message goes from the paper to its brain.

The truth is accessible to all, not just a “chosen few,” but requires a total and determined commitment and the refinement of capacities to uncover it. It is not the philosophical equivalent of fast food fare, i.e., quick, cheap and easy, despite what Dawkins et al have led many to believe.

***The disciples came to him and asked, “Why do you speak to the people in parables?”

He replied, “The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. Whoever has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. This is why I speak to them in parables:

“Though seeing, they do not see;
though hearing, they do not hear or understand.
In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah:

“‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding;
you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.
For this people’s heart has become calloused;*
they hardly hear with their ears,
and they have closed their eyes.
Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts
and turn, and I would heal them.
** (Matt 13:10-15)​

If the human instrument for receiving the message has been compromised, the message, even if plainly put, will not get through. The instrument (your self) for receptivity has to be fine-tuned first. Additionally, there is a “cost” to obtaining the message: total dedication to receiving it.

The kingdom of heaven is like treasure hidden in a field. When a man found it, he hid it again, and then in his joy went and sold all he had and bought that field. (Matt 13:44)
 
That’s one way of avoiding the question. “Nobody matters”.
I think you misunderstood David. He did not say “nobody matters”. He said that your inability to be pursuaded of the Truth does not change the Truth. It is sitll the Truth, whether you reject it, or not. The Truth is not dependent upon people accepting it.
if you intend to convince people that there is a personal God who loves us and is supposedly communicating with us. If you want people to take Catholicism seriously then you are going to have to defend it rationally, instead of producing ad-hoc avoidance tactics.
Personally, I am do not think such an endeavor is really worth my time and energy. I was recently invited to an atheist thread and declined. I don’t really know what to say to people who cannot see God at work in the creation. Yesterday I sat watching a rainbow, and marvelled over the rain clouds in the mountains. What do you say to a person who cannot expereince awe in such things?

I do think there are rational defenses for the Catholic faith, don’t get me wrong, and I do agree with you that a person should be able to articulate them.
Why would any good God choose to not speak to us directly?
There are a lot of reasons for this. One being that we can get overwhelmed and annihilated. Besides, you are putting artificial categories on God, claiming that the manifestation of Himself in the human soul, and in the creation is not “direct”. By what standard do you determine that? And by what authority should you have to determine what is “direct” and what is not? Seems like you have just displaced God, and you have taken His place as arbitor of all.
If God chooses to leave the impression that he might not exist, then nobody really has an obligation to believe that they must live a Catholic life.
I agree, which is why He has left so much clarity for us. He created us with an innate desire to seek Him, and He created us in such a manner that we need look no further than our own souls.

We are obligated, whether we accept it, or not. T hat is another one of those Truths that is still true, whether you deny it or not. 😉
 
Sure, I’m fine with that. If God changes my heart/mind so that I can see him in all things without him actually speaking in voice from the sky or a burning bush (or whatever), it’s still more clarity. If all someone gets in response to asking for more clarity is more confusion/frustration/silence, then it’s problematic.
I agree. I always wonder how people who refuse to read and pray the Bible everyday are able to complain that God does not speak to them. 🤷
Not hard at all. Just give me a credible rational reason why a good God would not communicate with all us directly, instead of just a so called chosen few.
Since you apparently don’t find the Holy Scriptures “credible”, what would you consider “credible”?

Why don’t you consider what is written in the Scripture “direct”?

It seems to me rather arrogant for the created thing to demand from the Creator how that Maker and Designer ought to interact with His created being. How is it that you think you should be exempt from the parameters that God has set for you?
You guys keep shrugging it off like it is not a problem, yet you fail to provide a credible thesis.
You are right. I don’t find a problem for the Potter to decide how the clay should be formed. I don’t find it a problem that God communicates effectively with human beings through a great variety of channels, and that it is up to Him which ones He chooses to use.
Proving that God exists, is not proof of religion.
No, but you have to admit, it seems like a good place to start! :D:D
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 Anybody can invent a religion and say oh well, you are just not listening, or you're just not good enough. Sorry. I don't fall for that kind of psychology.
Equally, anyone can invent parameters for the Creator, and with supreme hubris, take upon themselves the task of defining and imposing the manner in which the Creator interacts with His creation. It seems that you have fallen for that kind of psychology. :o
 
I’m open, too. A dancing sun. A stroke of lightning (I’d gladly take one to know he was listening). Aquinas’ mystic sleep with visitation by angels. A sudden offer of a job with the church that I didn’t apply for. I’m pretty flexible. Silence, however? That’s not evidence of anything.
Silence is a gift! It is a sounding board for self reflection, a necessary condition for “knowing thyself.” Recall that God created ex nihilo, from the silence of nothingness.

Soren Kierkegaard had a great deal to say about silence.

The present state of the world and the whole of life is diseased. If I were a doctor and were asked for my advice, I should reply, ‘Create silence’.”

If you don’t have access to any of his writings, try doing a search for the word silence on this page:
en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Søren_Kierkegaard

An example:
The eternal fears no future, hopes for no future, but love possesses everything without ceasing, and there is no shadow of variation. As soon as he returns to himself, he understands this no more. He understands what bitter experiences have only all too unforgettably inculcated, the self-accusation, if the past has the kind of claim upon his soul that no repentance can entirely redeem, no trusting in God can entirely wipe out, but only God himself in the inexpressible silence of beatitude. The more of the past a person’s soul can still keep when he is left to himself, the more profound he is.
 
Easy enough:
1.His existence.
2.Our immortality.
3.Why someone who loves us stays silent or only communicates in the most oblique and ambiguous ways.
4.Why someone who loves us would tell us to come to him with our problems and concerns and suggest that we need to make our own free choices instead of leaning on him to help.
5.2-4 depend on 1, of course, and at least some understanding of his nature.

Without 1, and some awareness of his nature, trusting answers will come is moot.

Yes, I am seeking with everything I’ve got (which is apparently not enough). Being on this forum. In my work. In my studies. In prayer. In dialogue with priests and theologians. If I could afford to go back to school in theology, I would be seeking there too!

I’m open, too. A dancing sun. A stroke of lightning (I’d gladly take one to know he was listening). Aquinas’ mystic sleep with visitation by angels. A sudden offer of a job with the church that I didn’t apply for. I’m pretty flexible. Silence, however? That’s not evidence of anything.
I can see you’re struggling with this in an earnest and genuine way – not simply as an intellectual question, but as one that has deep emotional and personal implications.

You’re also in good company – Mother Theresa, for example, often doubted the existence of God (I believe she said that she couldn’t always feel God, that she often felt “nothing”).

There was a moment during which Jesus couldn’t feel God on the cross, it would seem. At his darkest hour, he cried out, “my God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”

It’s obvious you come from a Catholic background, so I would – as an informed non-Catholic – point out that what we experience as the “silence of God” is sometimes posited to be a result of the sin of Adam. In other words, we are alienated from God – like that little girl in Poltergeist (to give a homely example) who is separated from her parents, lost in another dimension. The Gnostic metaphor of being in darkness - or in a state of being asleep – also seems appropriate. We are lost and are trying to find our way back into the light, and it would seem that only our own efforts will get us there (we do not know why this is so, but free will appears to be important, and it is true that lessons are only truly ours, if we learn them for ourselves, even if we have teachers). We are being called into the light, but cannot well hear where the voice is coming from, nor in what direction it’s coming from. The voice is distorted by the time it reaches us, and it comes to sound garbled, or just like white noise. We think we hear it, but we’re not sure.

Non-Catholic theists have put forth similar ideas of life on this earth being a kind of “dusting”, or a kind of waking sleep. For example, some “alternative spiritualities” refer to what they call the “blindness of the physical plane.” The Hindus talk about Maya, the goddess of illusion. In Christian terms, this seems closer to Gnosticism, but I think there is a semblance of this metaphor in traditional Christianity, as well (“I once was lost, but now I’m found; was blind, but now I see”).

Some of these alternative spiritualities posit that this “sleep” of life may be more positive –
that there may be some value in “dreaming the dream” of life, and not waking up prematurely or even being aware that one is dreaming. They use the metaphor of a nightly dream – if you are too aware that you are dreaming (and that the illusion isn’t real) then you can deprive yourself of the lessons of that “illusion.” It is similar with works of art – if you remind yourself constantly that, “this is not Gandhi, this is an actor named Ben Kingsley; and this is a Hollywood movie; and all those people are just pretending” then you can rob yourself of insights that immersing yourself in the movie – not only suspending belief, but forgetting that you are watching a movie – can give you. You turn the lights off, the better to immerse yourself in the experience.

I think part of your own struggle seems to be the idea that God doesn’t communicate with us directly yet demands so much of us. I personally – as a non-Christian in orientation – am not so sure that’s the case. I think that there is much more leeway afforded, than is generally believed; and that the difference between a “believer” and a “non-believer” may be all but moot, in the grand scheme of things. I personally suspect that the differences between a theist and an atheist doesn’t necessary make a whole lot of difference, in terms of the way in which a life will be “judged.” What seems important is not one’s relation to – or conception of – transcendence, but rather one’s experience of immanence. The Buddha certain thought so (he taught an ethic, but very little metaphysics).

This is analogous to the question posed in another thread, “what if doctrinal differences do not matter?” As a non-Christian, obviously, I take a particularly liberal view of that question 😉

There are even times when I consider that the point may not be to awaken from the dream at all, but to experience the dream to the fullest. That the dream itself has all of the lessons we need to learn (as when Voltaire’s Candide says, “we must cultivate our garden”). Learning how to live, and how to live with each other. How to play together in the sandbox 😉
 
I can see you’re struggling with this in an earnest and genuine way – not simply as an intellectual question, but as one that has deep emotional and personal implications.

You’re also in good company – Mother Theresa, for example, often doubted the existence of God (I believe she said that she couldn’t always feel God, that she often felt “nothing”).

There was a moment during which Jesus couldn’t feel God on the cross, it would seem. At his darkest hour, he cried out, “my God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”

It’s obvious you come from a Catholic background, so I would – as an informed non-Catholic – point out that what we experience as the “silence of God” is sometimes posited to be a result of the sin of Adam. In other words, we are alienated from God – like that little girl in Poltergeist (to give a homely example) who is separated from her parents, lost in another dimension. The Gnostic metaphor of being in darkness - or in a state of being asleep – also seems appropriate. We are lost and are trying to find our way back into the light, and it would seem that only our own efforts will get us there (we do not know why this is so, but free will appears to be important, and it is true that lessons are only truly ours, if we learn them for ourselves, even if we have teachers). We are being called into the light, but cannot well hear where the voice is coming from, nor in what direction it’s coming from. The voice is distorted by the time it reaches us, and it comes to sound garbled, or just like white noise. We think we hear it, but we’re not sure.

Non-Catholic theists have put forth similar ideas of life on this earth being a kind of “dusting”, or a kind of waking sleep. For example, some “alternative spiritualities” refer to what they call the “blindness of the physical plane.” The Hindus talk about Maya, the goddess of illusion. In Christian terms, this seems closer to Gnosticism, but I think there is a semblance of this metaphor in traditional Christianity, as well (“I once was lost, but now I’m found; was blind, but now I see”).
Profound thoughts to this point.

Unfortunately, the following reflections seem to imply a passivity of being that could be consistent with pretty much any lifestyle, set of beliefs or behaviour, perhaps even indolence or acedia.
Some of these alternative spiritualities posit that this “sleep” of life may be more positive –
that there may be some value in “dreaming the dream” of life, and not waking up prematurely or even being aware that one is dreaming. They use the metaphor of a nightly dream – if you are too aware that you are dreaming (and that the illusion isn’t real) then you can deprive yourself of the lessons of that “illusion.” It is similar with works of art – if you remind yourself constantly that, “this is not Gandhi, this is an actor named Ben Kingsley; and this is a Hollywood movie; and all those people are just pretending” then you can rob yourself of insights that immersing yourself in the movie – not only suspending belief, but forgetting that you are watching a movie – can give you. You turn the lights off, the better to immerse yourself in the experience.

I think part of your own struggle seems to be the idea that God doesn’t communicate with us directly yet demands so much of us. I personally – as a non-Christian in orientation – am not so sure that’s the case. I think that there is much more leeway afforded, than is generally believed; and that the difference between a “believer” and a “non-believer” may be all but moot, in the grand scheme of things. I personally suspect that the differences between a theist and an atheist doesn’t necessary make a whole lot of difference, in terms of the way in which a life will be “judged.” What seems important is not one’s relation to – or conception of – transcendence, but rather one’s experience of immanence. The Buddha certain thought so (he taught an ethic, but very little metaphysics).

This is analogous to the question posed in another thread, “what if doctrinal differences do not matter?” As a non-Christian, obviously, I take a particularly liberal view of that question 😉

There are even times when I consider that the point may not be to awaken from the dream at all, but to experience the dream to the fullest. That the dream itself has all of the lessons we need to learn (as when Voltaire’s Candide says, “we must cultivate our garden”). Learning how to live, and how to live with each other. How to play together in the sandbox 😉
 
God can and will speak to you directly. God speaks very softly and so does are Blessed Mother Mary and the Saints. This I personally know. Quiet your mind and turn off the noise around yourself. We live in way to much noise and our minds are to busy. We need quiet periods in our lives, as well as, quiet periods of Godly contemplation. Then there must be a reason for them to speak to you. Not just a want,.but a need. Even a very minor need, yours orTheirs. You probably won’t hear God if your mind is racing and the electronics are blasting away.
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Not hard at all. Just give me a credible rational reason why a good God would not communicate with all us directly, instead of just a so called chosen few.
God only knows, but perhaps He wants to give us the opportunity to be blessed by believing without seeing. You know, we are supposed to ask, seek and knock. When He just comes right out and speaks to people, they choose Him less out of love and more out of fear. It’s still a blessing because the Truth is still known, but it is less of a blessing than choosing Him out of love.

Perhaps He wants to reward His believers by allowing them to contribute to His work of saving souls? If we participate in that good work, then we can more fully rejoice with the saints and angels when someone turns to God. But if He spoke to everybody directly, there would be less need for evangelization and so less of an opportunity for believers to participate in this joy.
 
God only knows, but perhaps He wants to give us the opportunity to be blessed by believing without seeing.
Why would that be a blessing? Many people believe without seeing and end up in different belief systems. A Muslim girl said to me that she just knows her faith is true, because she feels it to be so because of her spiritual relationship with God. And there are plenty other non-Christians that say the same thing.
You know, we are supposed to ask, seek and knock.
Are we? Isn’t that just an assertion of your faith? What about those who seek and knock and get no answers.
When He just comes right out and speaks to people, they choose Him less out of love and more out of fear.
So Paul, Thomas, and all the people that witnessed miracles and the risen lord, never loved God even to there dying day?.
It’s still a blessing because the Truth is still known, but it is less of a blessing than choosing Him out of love.
This assumes that knowledge of God makes it impossible to love God.
Perhaps He wants to reward His believers by allowing them to contribute to His work of saving souls?
If we don’t have direct knowledge of God then what reason is there to live as a catholic other than for fear of living without God. Perhaps Zeus just wants us to contribute to his work.
If we participate in that good work, then we can more fully rejoice with the saints and angels when someone turns to God. But if He spoke to everybody directly, there would be less need for evangelization and so less of an opportunity for believers to participate in this joy.
Yes i can see where you going with that. This would make sense. But it has a weakness in the sense that evangelization does not produce certain knowledge and thus dissenters and disbelievers cannot be argued to be immoral or held responsible for rejecting that which might not be true.
 
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