Why cant God make a square circle?

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If what you are saying is true then there is no rational reason for God not to sin for truth is arbitrary in distinction and thus God’s reason not to sin is arbitrary and God’s judgment on the human race is arbitrary for there is no absolute objective rational distinction between good and evil…

No rational person believes in that God. Why should we?
Nope, what I am saying is that the logic that God follows and the logic that we follow are not always the same. God created the logic in our universe, and created the standards for what constitutes sin, in so doing. God, himself precedes the universe, and therefore is not bound by it’s laws. So he could create a universe where Square-Circles exist, but we cannot comprehend it, because our comprehension is based on our understanding of this universe, and the laws therein.

As for the Sin issue, that’s a completely different question, and hiding it in such a manner is not only poor form, but frankly dishonest argument. Sin is the result of turning away from God. Turning away from yourself isn’t really a thing, as such God cannot sin, because all of his actions are done with God, and in God, and since there is full presence of God in all of his actions none of them are sinful.
 
Nope, what I am saying is that the logic that God follows and the logic that we follow are not always the same.
By what standard have you arrived at this knowledge of two metaphysical logics? God clearly has a more clearer understanding of whats possible but he operates by the same standard that we do. There are not two logics metaphysically speaking and there is no basis to think that there is. In a sense his nature is metaphysical logic insofar as he is the antithesis of nothing. God is truth. Gods nature is the objective ontological standard of rational truth and the reason why 2+2 = 4
God created the logic in our universe,
God created the physical universe, he did not create metaphysical logic.
and created the standards for what constitutes sin, in so doing. God, himself precedes the universe, and therefore is not bound by it’s laws.
God did not create good an evil, God is goodness itself insofar as God is the antithesis of evil.
So he could create a universe where Square-Circles exist,
You have not demonstrated this fact anymore than an atheist can demonstrate the possibility that the universe can pop out of nothing by itself. This is pure fantasy baiting.

A square and a triangle is not the same thing. They cannot be the same thing because they are distinct in nature and cannot remain triangles or squares if they become identical precisely because they would no-longer be distinct. They would lose that which defines them as a square or a triangle in the first place. So it is metaphysically impossible to create a square-triangle.
but we cannot comprehend it, because our comprehension is based on our understanding of this universe, and the laws therein.
The laws of physical behavior and the laws of metaphysical logic are not the same thing. You are confusing the two, probably because you have no understanding of latter.
As for the Sin issue, that’s a completely different question, and hiding it in such a manner is not only poor form, but frankly dishonest argument.
This is not true. My argument demonstrates the fallacy in your thinking.
Sin is the result of turning away from God.
Thats one way of putting it. But essentially it is about turning away from the nature we call “good”; this nature is God. Its not simply a turning away from some arbitrary rules imposed by a more powerful being.
Turning away from yourself isn’t really a thing, as such God cannot sin,
So its impossible for God to turn-away from himself because it is a **metaphysical contradiction. So we can know if its metaphysically impossible for God to do something.
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Case closed.
 
By what standard have you arrived at this knowledge of two metaphysical logics? God clearly has a more clearer understanding of whats possible but he operates by the same standard that we do. There are not two logics metaphysically speaking and there is no basis to think that there is. In a sense his nature is metaphysical logic insofar as he is the antithesis of nothing. God is truth. Gods nature is the objective ontological standard of rational truth and the reason why 2+2 = 4
Negative, Ghostrider, God does not operate by the same standards as we do… In fact that’s explicitly stated. Furthermore God is incomprehensible, also explicitly stated. We cannot understand something that is outside of causality with an examination of causes (or logic), that’s not possible, understanding God is outside of the scope of our logic.
God created the physical universe, he did not create metaphysical logic.
All logic results from observation of the physical. Metaphysical logic results from assuming that the physical applies to the not physical, as such we can only make rulings about the metaphysical nature INSIDE OUR OWN UNIVERSE.
God did not create good an evil, God is goodness itself insofar as God is the antithesis of evil.
A square and a triangle is not the same thing. They cannot be the same thing because they are distinct in nature and cannot remain triangles or squares if they become identical precisely because they would no-longer be distinct. They would lose that which defines them as a square or a triangle in the first place. So it is metaphysically impossible to create a square-triangle.
In our universe, under out understanding, but if you had read more Plato, you would know that metaphysics results from comparing physical and assuming that those hold true otherwise, so in a universe with different observational physical logics, metaphysics will not hold true.
The laws of physical behavior and the laws of metaphysical logic are not the same thing. You are confusing the two, probably because you have no understanding of latter.
Again, metaphysics comes from applying the laws of rational observation to the unobserved, the rational observation results from our universe and therefore can only apply to things inside our universe. It’s pretty simple stuff.
This is not true. My argument demonstrates the fallacy in your thinking.
No you really haven’t, you’ve just shown that you haven’t read a lot of Plato or any Aquinas, who have both answered your arguments far better than I ever did.
Thats one way of putting it. But essentially it is about turning away from the nature we call “good”; this nature is God. Its not simply a turning away from some arbitrary rules imposed by a more powerful being.
It is absolutely a turning away from God. You should read Aquinas, he’s written more eloquently on the problem of Evil than I ever could.
So its impossible for God to turn-away from himself because it is a **metaphysical contradiction. So we can know if its metaphysically impossible for God to do something.
**

Case closed.
No really can’t know that, I assume that is true, because God has stated that he is without sin, and therefore it follows that is true, but God is not comprehensible, we can neither comprehend perfection nor infinity, and as such we are not qualified to answer that question. Again our metaphysics results from applying observational law to things that are not observed, which does NOT work on things that exist outside of causality.
 
Can God exist and not exist at the same time?

If you can muster the rational courage to say no to that question then you should be able to acknowledge that God cannot create a square-triangle because squares and triangles can only exist as two distinct things for it is in their distinction that we find their rational meaning. The act of reality is intrinsically rational because that is God’s nature. A square triangle has no meaning at all for it is neither truly a square or a triangle. God cannot do the metaphysically impossible.
CB,
I don’t know what God can or cannot do, but I am sure He can make a triangle out of a square because I can do that myself. Here’s how: take a square piece of paper hold it at opposite corners than look at it along one of the other corners until all you see is a triangle. But if you turn too far you will turn the square into a line.
Yppop
 
CB,
I don’t know what God can or cannot do,
Yppop
If you cannot admit that it is metaphysically impossible for God to exist and not exist at the same time, then there is no meaningful discussion to be had with you, at least concerning metaphysics.
 
Negative, Ghostrider, God does not operate by the same standards as we do… In fact that’s explicitly stated.
That depends on the context of what is being discussed. If you are saying that God operates by a distinct unknowable form of logic, then to me this is a fantasy posing as fact since there is no rational basis for the claim. On the other hand i have not denied that God knows things that we don’t. This does not change the fact that God cannot transform his entire being into a triangle or a square for that matter.
Furthermore God is incomprehensible, also explicitly stated.
We cannot directly comprehend God’s essence as it is in itself. But that has nothing to do with whether or not we can know for example if its metaphysically possible for God to do evil and be perfectly good at the same time. It’s clear to any reasonable person that it is metaphysically impossible for an eternal perfect being to be imperfect at the same time. or at any time for that matter.

What was you saying about honesty?
Metaphysical logic results from assuming that the physical applies to the not physical.
I don’t know what books you have been reading, but its certainly not Aquinas.
No really can’t know that, I assume that is true
You said that God cannot turn away from himself. Tell me, was that an assumption to?
 
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