I thought your main point in your last post was to inquire about what abilities the Catholic Church has encouraged the law to take away from gay people, and I addressed it.
Brad,
Bible,
Those piccies do the place proud, I must say. It’s looks like a place the whole family could have a good time. It’s not a bad as it was, but I’d still think twice about taking my wife there.
Brad,
Grace, thanks for the reply.
Looking back, I just realized that my post was missing the text I had written for some reason, so I’ll rewrite what I intended to post…
thats true?
Yes it is:
Answer this question. Where does marriage originate from? In other words, who invented it in the first place? Was it the state? Marriage is a matter of natural law. The state can pretend to have authority over natural law, but it’s a pretended authority and not a legitimate one.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_California#Recognition_of_same-sex_relationships
The state does have authority over civil law. That includes things like joint taxation, the ability for your legally recognised partner to immigrate, joint insurance and various other legal things.
Up until a very few years ago when was marriage between same sex persons?
Leaving aside the questionable claim that “Catholics believe” this, and the fictitious category of “homosexual sex” (what distinctively “homosexual” act does the OP think gays and only gays get up to in bed?) - the really hypocratical part of that is that Catholics don’t consider the vocation to become “one flesh” with another human being to the end of bringing life into the world a “sin” to “struggle with”. Heterosexuals fulfil such a vocation all the time and we call it a sacrament, an instrument of grace: but if a couple who aren’t “PLU” presume to desire the same goods, they find themselves condemned as evil and disordered - often by people who are happily married themselves and have no intention of giving up their “disordered” families, or even recognizing them as such.
Bradski’s paragraph One is correct. Bradski’s paragraph Two – which is perhaps what you are referring to in your post just above this one – is not quite correct, in that “internal debate,” or at least questioning, is compatible with a practicing, believing Catholicism. Catholicism is not about Mind Control. But it’s necessary to go through a process of conscience formation within a Catholic definition of that, and to pray about it.
Brad, I commend you for making the effort to learn and understand what Catholics believe in order to participate better on a Catholic forum.
Yes, that is right. If you became Catholic, you would make a formal profession of faith, saying, “I believe and profess all that the holy Catholic Church believes, teaches, and proclaims to be revealed by God.” And The Apostles’ Creed, which as you know, contains, “…I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church, the Communion of Saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and life everlasting.”
You never know. I was a Protestant once upon a time and never dreamed I would ever have anything to do with crazy Catholics.
I’m not sure I would phrase it like that. I would think that if I were having internal debate over this matter, I would say I was either not understanding, which is hard to do if I’ve read all the things I suggested earlier (and I’m a Catholic— don’t misunderstand me here-- I realise that if an atheist reads the same things, he may or may not believe them), or I am choosing to disregard the teachings of Christ and the Church, and go into dissent. Not a good place to be.
The marital act is the only authentic act. All else is a deviation from it. God ordained male and female. This is known from Scripture, logic, and common sense.
It is an objective disorder because it is not ordered toward the good.
I have no idea of your point here.
Bradski was talking about issue of homosexual marriage in particular, I believe, and you may be talking about more and different aspects, as Elizabeth502 mentioned. Not sure since I’m not a mind-reader.Most of us struggle everyday with different aspects of Church teaching, that doesn’t make us non-Catholics, just Catholics on a continual road to understanding and enlightenment concerning what is taught.
Popularity is not a measure of correctness. Slavery was very popular in the Roman Empire; did that make slavery correct? Christianity was not at all popular in about 50CE, did that make Christianity incorrect?
In order to have any “aberration” you need to have an agreed norm, from which the aberrant versions differ. Which of the different versions of marriage shall we use as the norm? The most popular version in the Western World allows divorce. Does that make the Catholic definition of marriage an “aberration” because it does not allow divorce?