Why can't magic/occult take the form of thought?

[fakename]

I heard that the occult is just intention to connect with the preternatural+actions and symbols that portray this. But If that’s true, then why can’t some intend the above and symbolize it through a thought; since thinking is an action?

Is it because demons can’t always see thoughts?

 

[marineson243]

Thinking may be an action but if you look at it most entities of that sort are not able to come through (i may not be correct on this) non-physical means you can’t create water from thought therefore you cant create an entity through thought.

 

[Benadam]

Are you asking why there has to be a vehicle such as a spell or invocation to produce a manifestation of spiritual power?

If so.

Because the fallen spirits are bound by divine law and so must be authorized to perform acts that they otherwise would not have the right to do.

Communication from spirits to humans is inherently flawed so require some physical manifestation to signify the spirit and distinguish it’s acts.

Invocations from humans to fallen spirits require certitude provided by physical signs because they will be crossing boundaries they don’t have the right in of themselves to cross.

Thought, in the context of intellectual power is the resource sought and used by occult practitioners. The material manifestation, or vehicle provides the certainty required by humans because of inherent ambiguity caused by the flesh and boundaries set by divine law that fallen spirits can’t cross without human permission.

 

[fakename]

So what you’re saying is that demons can’t just read people’s minds to figure out what they intend? Is this by divine command or is this a natural defect in demons?

I think that it is the latter -demons can guess our thoughts very well but there comes a time when even they are wrong.

So they need something more unequivocal so they can operate as much as possible.

 

[Benadam]

So what you’re saying is that demons can’t just read people’s minds to figure out what they intend? Is this by divine command or is this a natural defect in demons?

I think that it is the latter -demons can guess our thoughts very well but there comes a time when even they are wrong.

So they need something more unequivocal so they can operate as much as possible.

No defect but a consequence of natural limitations. Limitations that do not bind the Holy Angels because they enjoy the freedom of those who will what God wills.

Demons reading minds.

The body responds to thoughts as most find obvious but most never find the response subtle eneough to distinguish the words we’re thinking but not saying. An example is the larynx which vibrates even if we aren’t vocalyzing the words. The vibration is distinctive for each word just as the sound it would make for each word is distinctive.Even this bodily movement is crude to fallen spirits and are able to notice even subtler more distinctive movements.

This mode( changes in the body) of reading our minds sn’t guessing but it is not an authentic mode of human communication so is unable to communicate the authority of the human will.

It is by divine command that demons are bound. The boundaries are like fences around houses, communities and lands. Boundaries set by the inherent dignity of the human person.

 

[fakename]

So since people can’t even communicate with other people through the mind, then much less can they do so with angels?

 

[Benadam]

So since people can’t even communicate with other people through the mind, then much less can they do so with angels?

Not that God didn’t make communication between thinking creatures a part of the order He established in the beginning. I believe internal dialogue with angels happened without ambiguity in the beginning. Before sin we could easily distinguish our voice from others because we had yet to know shame and the desire to hide ourselves.

 

[Crux_Sancta]

Hi,

I used to have some involvement with the occult before I found the Church, and I must say:

Satan exists, but believing anything outside of what is church dogma on the occult is probably not a good idea. Don’t believe in “magical laws”, in fact, I don’t believe in magic per se, but rather a being who can sometimes produce the illusion of magic. After leaving the occult I would find that Satan did (and still does) like to toy with symbols, ideas, and minor coincidences and such based on past delusional beliefs in my subjective experience of life in order to scare me and threaten me, but any threats almost never come to fruition (due either to action of the angels, or Satan’s impotence, I know not).

Belief in occult energies, symbols having power in and of themselves, and “magical laws” such as “the law of attraction” (one of the most pernicious, paranoia and fear-inducing doctrines imaginable if taken to its logical conclusion) are, in my opinion and personal experience, diabolical deceptions meant to conceal the existence of Satan behind a web of illusions, a sort of “systematization” of the occult to hide the Devil (or, at least, the Church’s version of the Devil) from occultists, similar to how Satan tries to make materialistic atheists think that the spiritual world doesn’t even exist, and doesn’t seem to do much to disturb this notion from the minds of atheists, for the most part.

If you buy into superstition, you will enter an abyss where you are mentally enslaved by symbols, coincidences, numerical relations. It’s actually very hard to get out of, because in my experience the Devil will try to reinforce it, but know that God is much more powerful than Satan, and that everyone has a Guardian Angel which protects them, and that St. Michael the Archangel and the Virgin Mary are powerful intercessors against evil.

By the way, even if the pandeist view of the occult were correct, there are a lot more Christians than occultists.

 

[fakename]

"Not that God didn’t make communication between thinking creatures a part of the order He established in the beginning. I believe internal dialogue with angels happened without ambiguity in the beginning. Before sin we could easily distinguish our voice from others because we had yet to know shame and the desire to hide ourselves. "

To: Benadam

I don’t understand these responses. Let me just make sure you remember the question, I ask "why is there no thought-mancy even though there is hydromancy or why is there no divination by thoughts even though there is divination through physical symbols?

To: Crux Santa

Well we Christians do know the occult by our knowledge of demons. And we do know about the laws and nature of the occult (that is, how the occult can take place) or else we would not know how to distinguish it from anything else. But our knowledge probably isn’t as sure as science but it is an application of what we know from other sciences like metaphysics or Theology. I ask my questions based on what I know the Church has taught about this.

 

[Crux_Sancta]

To: Crux Santa

Well about the laws and nature of the occult (that is, how the occult can take place) or else we would not know how to distinguish it from anything else. But our knowledge probably isn’t as sure as science but it is an application of what we know from other sciences like metaphysics or Theology. I ask my questions based on what I know the Church has taught about this.

My point is that the aspects of the occult which are true are not actually occult, but based on mundane, easily understood theology which one can gain from reading the Bible or the Catechism of the Catholic Church. Occult philosophy is mostly made up by bohemian reprobates with no lives who like to mess with people and develop systems of deception to ensnare and exploit lost souls, and are not believed in by most of the occult teachers and writers themselves. Do not fall for it, for your own sanity’s sake.

 

[Crux_Sancta]

To continue on this point, most occult groups do interact with diabolical forces, but the truth is that the teachings themselves are mostly lies designed to extract sex and money from the followers, promote the cult leader’s personal views on things, gain power for the cult, or just engage in a sadistic process of psychological manipulation. Many occultists secretly hate Christians and will prey upon them using various psychological techniques, and these psychological techniques are the doctrines which pass for “occult knowledge”, which are mostly based on exploiting human sexual desires.

 

[fakename]

So to be sure, there are no mind spells?