Why can't Mormons have caffinated drinks?

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paarsurrey said:
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I think that Jesus never used any alcohal.

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Oh, He used alcohol…In fact, He:thumbsup: 👍 **made **the best wine ever!! (Check the story of the Wedding at Cana).
Now, He for sure was never drunk, because that would be sinful. But He enjoyed wine in moderation, like everybody else in those days. (For one thing, the water wasn’t exactly the safest thing to drink back in those days…).
 
Joya said:
I guess I can understand the ban on alcohol since it can lead one into a druken stupor, but why no coffee, tea, or other caffine? Is Coke or Pepsi out, too?

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A lot of Mormons drink caffeinated drinks like Coke, Pepsi and Mountain Dew. They are only asked to abstain from coffee and tea. When they get their temple recommend, that is all they are asked about. Many Mormons who attend the temple regularly drink caffeinated sodas. And they are all absolutely addicted to chocolate.
 
Several years ago, Tulane played BYU in the Liberty Bowl. I was at the game. The Tulane side of the stadium ran out of beer and cokes (they were mixing them with bootleg whiskey). They had to bring it from the other side, where almost none of it had been sold. I had never seen that before, and I have never seen it again.

Funny thing is, despite the no drinking, BYU fans were very into the game and as a group, they spent A LOT of money in Memphis.
 
Joya said:
I guess I can understand the ban on alcohol since it can lead one into a druken stupor, but why no coffee, tea, or other caffine? Is Coke or Pepsi out, too?

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I think soad use to be out, but it became acceptable when the Morman Church bought some stock in Pepsi Co.
 
RebeccaJ said:
The Pepsi Co stock (or variation Coca Cola) is an urban myth.
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Actually them owning the company is the myth…
as per the LDS site…
But since when do we own Pepsi? The Church certainly does not, but it may be that some diverse stock holdings include a few Pepsi shares. But the Church does not officially tell us to not drink Pepsi or cola drinks. That’s a private interpretation of some people, and may be good advice, but the Church is cautious on that point. Most active Latter-day Saints, including President Hinckley, do avoid caffeinated beverages, as far as I can tell, but those who sip Coke or Pepsi aren’t branded as sinners.
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While it’s possible that some diversified investments may include some shares of companies like Coca Cola, it’s an easily verified fact that the Church does not control or own a significant part of the company.
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wifeandmomoftwo said:
Actually them owning the company is the myth…
as per the LDS site…

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I wouldn’t believe anything that Jeff Lindsay has to say. He cherry picks which part of mormonism he wants to believe, he is sort of like a cafeteria mormon. Also, when he makes arguments in support of his view, he cherry picks his information. He leaves out facts, takes quotes out of context, and is generally not a very good resource for anything at all.

“Live the spirit of the Word of Wisdom. We complicate the simplicity of the Word of Wisdom. The Lord said don’t drink tea, coffee, or use tobacco or liquor and that admonition is simple. But we confuse it by asking if cola drinks are against the Word of Wisdom. The 89th Section of the Doctrine and Covenants doesn’t say anything about cola drinks, but we ask questions that go beyond the simplicity of the lesson that has been taught. We know that caffeine is taken out of coffee and used as an ingredient of cola drinks. It seems to me that if we really want to live the spirit of the law we probably wouldn’t partake of that which had been taken from what we were told not to drink.” Hunter, Howard W, “Teachings of Howard Hunter”, Deseret Book Company, 1997

(Howard W Hunter was the prophet and president of the lds church from 1994-1995)
 
RebeccaJ said:
I wouldn’t believe anything that Jeff Lindsay has to say. He cherry picks which part of mormonism he wants to believe, he is sort of like a cafeteria mormon. Also, when he makes arguments in support of his view, he cherry picks his information. He leaves out facts, takes quotes out of context, and is generally not a very good resource for anything at all.

“Live the spirit of the Word of Wisdom. We complicate the simplicity of the Word of Wisdom. The Lord said don’t drink tea, coffee, or use tobacco or liquor and that admonition is simple. But we confuse it by asking if cola drinks are against the Word of Wisdom. The 89th Section of the Doctrine and Covenants doesn’t say anything about cola drinks, but we ask questions that go beyond the simplicity of the lesson that has been taught. We know that caffeine is taken out of coffee and used as an ingredient of cola drinks. It seems to me that if we really want to live the spirit of the law we probably wouldn’t partake of that which had been taken from what we were told not to drink.” Hunter, Howard W, “Teachings of Howard Hunter”, Deseret Book Company, 1997

(Howard W Hunter was the prophet and president of the lds church from 1994-1995)
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Do you believe that the mormons own coke or pepsi?
 
wifeandmomoftwo said:
Do you believe that the mormons own coke or pepsi?
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No, but the mormon church is lead by men, all of whom have business backgrounds of one type or another. They are business men running a business. It wouldn’t surprise me if they own stock in coca cola, tobacco businesses, weapons makers, etc. I don’t believe they invest particularly in these companies, but that these companies may be part of a portfolio.

And, the majority of their investments are their own. Billion dollar renovations in downtown SLC, farms across the US, apartments and condos in various cities, etc. They own a LOT of real estate and income properties. They aren’t referred to as Mormon, Inc. for no reason. :rolleyes:
 
RebeccaJ said:
No, but the mormon church is lead by men, all of whom have business backgrounds of one type or another. They are business men running a business.** It wouldn’t surprise me if they own stock in coca cola, tobacco businesses, weapons makers, etc. I don’t believe they invest particularly in these companies, but that these companies may be part of a portfolio.**
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And that is just what my quotes show…😃

They may own stock in the companies but they dont OWN the companies!
 
paarsurrey said:
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Quran/Islam/Muhammad do not believe in reincarnation.

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Christians don’t either 👍

What was the Mormon feeling towards Coca-Cola when it used to be made with cocaine? Was it better or worse?
 
wifeandmomoftwo said:
And that is just what my quotes show…😃

They may own stock in the companies but they dont OWN the companies!
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True, but neither Lindsay or myself or anyone else but mormon church leaders know for certain what the mormon church owns. They disclose nothing of their finances. Zero. And go to great lengths to protect that information.

For example, in Catholic parishes the financial goals and progress towards those goals are published every week in the parish bulletin. This is unheard of in mormonism. No one would even dare ask.
 
Alexius said:
Christians don’t either 👍

What was the Mormon feeling towards Coca-Cola when it used to be made with cocaine? Was it better or worse?
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I have no idea.

All I know is growing up…caffeine, cocaine, alcohol, murdering someone, all at the same level of evil. Drinking cola today, murdering someone tomorrow. That is what I was taught…the slippery slope.

I didn’t venture outside of the cola restriction until I was 16 years old when I snuck a sip of a friends coca cola. It was very covert and downright authority defiance. I haven’t slipped down the slope to murder. :rolleyes:
 
Just a few thoughts regarding the previous posts. As many of you know, I am a Mormon bishop converting to Catholicism. I have been a Mormon for 20 odd years (no pun intended).

Joseph Smith used to meet in “the school of the prophets” in the “upper room” of his house. This was a meeting of church leaders where they discussed doctrine. As a previous poster said, they chewed tobacco and Emma Smith had to clean it up. So a revelation called “the word of wisdom” came. It banned hot drinks which is now translated as tea and coffee. Not necessarily a bad thing, caffeine is not the greatest for your health - particularly when drunk to excess. Cola and Pepsi were unofficially added to the list. Famously a Mormon “Seventy” drank cola at a youth conference from the stand to prove the point that it was unofficial.

Now Romney as President. Perhaps no worse than Washington who was a Mason. I do not mean to offend. However, can you imagine Romney as President going into a Mormon temple, dressing up in white robe, green apron, white hat, and making secret handshakes and password through a white curtain (veil) with a man who he cannot see. I suppose there would need to be agents either side of the veil as protection, and of course they would need to be Mormon.

Now that could be a problem. What secret information was he getting. The temple ceremony would need to be made public perhaps to allay fears.
 
Anyone who wants to learn about the Mormon Temple Endowment can read the transcripts online at many web sites and even see videos of several parts of the endowment.

Here is an example.

Paul
 
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Can you just see a foreign magazine with a mock up of the president in his temple clothes with the Stars and Stripes and a mormon temple behind him, perhaps with a rifle in his hands if there is a conflict going on. This could ridicule the nation.

Yes the mormons are getting excited. If Romney wins then this was God confirming to the world that mormonism was the true religion. People are concerned that he will take orders from Salt Lake. But is this more concerning than a devout catholic taking orders from Rome ? Probably. If he wins, he will be the first non Christian president in history of the US. How does the pledge of allegiance work. I am not american. Any mention of God by the prewsident would be reference to a non christian god - an evil spirit - though oif course mormons would disagree.

no to clinton for me, no to romney, and guliani appears not to be trustworthy. Truelly we need God’s blessing.

Hal from California

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The Pledge of Allegiance says “one nation under God”. It doesn’t say which God. If Romney wins, perhaps we’d have to change it to “one nation under gods”. 😃

Yikes,
Paul
 
RebeccaJ said:
Today, the ban on caffeinated sodas isn’t followed so much any longer. Though, the mormon church HQ cafeteria and the restaurants they own offer no sodas that contain caffeine. And of course, never coffee or tea.
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That may be mostly true, but two of the girls in the dorm I lived in (sisters) in college who were LDS always kept a mini-fridge well stocked with caffiene-free coke and sprite and OJ. (I had beer and coffee beans in mine…)

This is very un-PC of me to say, so I will offer a caveat - this is just a theory a Catholic priest I know advanced. He believes the true root of this discipline has more to do with social control and strictures that set people apart for the sake of keeping them “in”. Dietary strictures in cults are very common… It is a way to show obedience and set yourself apart.
  1. “we have secret knowledge” (Book of Mormon)
  2. “we have secret ceremonies” (Temple)
  3. “we have special dietary laws” (Caffiene/alcohol ban)
These things from a purely sociological & pragmatic standpoint help to foster an “us” versus “them” sort of mentality. “We are the initiated.”

On the plus side, the discipline saves observant members thousands of dollars in caffiene and tobacco bills and they are likely much healthier for it!!! LOL

Simple
 
PaulDupre said:
The Pledge of Allegiance says “one nation under God”. It doesn’t say which God. If Romney wins, perhaps we’d have to change it to “one nation under gods”. 😃

Yikes,
Paul
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I think Romney gave a great speech. I don’t have any fear that a Mormon would lead us into some kind of theocracy. I don’t care about his theology if he follows the constitution (which I am sure he will) and promotes Judeo-Christian values when it comes to the family. I lean towards someone else, but I wouldn’t let a Mormon’s religion keep me from supporting him (or her). I didn’t feel that way a few months ago, but can’t see any reason not to support someone just because they follow the Mormon religion.
 
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