why can't priests marry?

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by the way vse driver… the church I belong too is the church body of believers in Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ which I believe you are also very much part of.

I just do not believe that you believe I am a part of His church body.

See, I believe His church body has many parts which consist of the many churches of this world who gather together in unity and express their belief in Jesus who died for our sins, rose from the dead, ascended into heaven and one day will come to earth once more.

that is the same Jesus you and the Roman Catholic church believe in correct?
 
achristiantoo said:
vsedriver;7798148:
thank you for comfirming what I thaught was true in regards to celibacy in the catholic church.

This is a reason why I am not catholic today.
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From you posts I suspect you wish to serve in some capacity as a minister or preacher but feel you don’t want to give yourself completely. You wish to reserve for yourself the right to marry too.

As a woman I can’t be a priest either. But I choose to follow the Truth given to Peter and the Apostles. And I choose to remain in communion with Peter’s successor since he inherited the keys to Christ’s Kingdom.
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achristiantoo said:
by the way vse driver… the church I belong too is the church body of believers in Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ which I believe you are also very much part of.

I just do not believe that you believe I am a part of His church body.

See, I believe His church body has many parts which consist of the many churches of this world who gather together in unity and express their belief in Jesus who died for our sins, rose from the dead, ascended into heaven and one day will come to earth once more.
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If you were baptized with water and with the words “in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit” then you are also a member of the Church. Just one who lacks the fullness of the Faith.
 
vsedriver said:
achristiantoo;7798319:
From you posts I suspect you wish to serve in some capacity as a minister or preacher but feel you don’t want to give yourself completely. You wish to reserve for yourself the right to marry too.

As a woman I can’t be a priest either. But I choose to follow the Truth given to Peter and the Apostles. And I choose to remain in communion with Peter’s successor since he inherited the keys to Christ’s Kingdom.
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I respect your desire to follow inyour heart what you believe is absolute truth

however, if you desired to be a nun, you would be required to also take a vow not to marry … if marriage was also on your heart …, correct?

and yes i preferred to keep options open for marriage
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achristiantoo said:
by the way vse driver… the church I belong too is the church body of believers in Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ which I believe you are also very much part of.

I just do not believe that you believe I am a part of His church body.

See, I believe His church body has many parts which consist of the many churches of this world who gather together in unity and express their belief in Jesus who died for our sins, rose from the dead, ascended into heaven and one day will come to earth once more.
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Interesting belief. We Catholics believe Protestants possess part of the truth (and I see you have noted that with belief of Christ who died for our sins, rose from the dead, ascended into heaven . . .all perfectly true). . .but not the fullness.

Baptists often don’t believe in infant baptism, only adults. Episcopalians baptise infants. Both claim Scriptural truth for their position, but both cannot be correct.

Amish do not use electricity and dress ‘plainly’. Methodists use electricity and wear secular clothes. Both claim Scriptural truth for their position, but both cannot be correct.

Lutherans believe that Christ is truly present in the Eucharist. "Bible believing’ Protestants believe that the Eucharist is ‘only a symbol’. Both claim Scriptural truth for their position, but both cannot be correct.

So the ‘unity’ of Protestants is itself fractured and full of contention on many salient points. Even in the Credal points, you have Unitarians who don’t believe in the Trinity; you have Jehovah Witnesses and Mormons, you have people who say ‘communion of saints’ as a belief yet think these saints just ‘sleep’ and are totally unaware.

You have people who speak of a "Rapture’ and an actual 1000 year reign of Jesus. . .kind of a Second Coming which itself is only a prelude to the ‘final’ coming. . . and people who don’t believe anything of the kind.

Sorry, I’ll take Catholic unity (of teaching) any day. At least I know if the individual Catholic rejects a teaching that he is rejecting a teaching. . .not OBEYING the teaching of his particular man-made church.
 
achristiantoo said:
vsedriver;7798369:
however, if you desired to be a nun, you would be required to also take a vow not to marry … correct?

and yes i preferred to keep options open for marriage
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Grace and Peace,

Were you Baptized in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit? Do you believe in the Triune God?
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achristiantoo said:
I just do not believe that you believe I am a part of His church body.
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Incorrect. You have indicated that you were baptised a Catholic.

You are a Catholic who has excommunicated yourself from the Church by apostasy.

Nevertheless you are a Catholic.
 
LDNCatholic said:
Incorrect. You have indicated that you were baptised a Catholic.

You are a Catholic who has excommunicated yourself from the Church by apostasy.

Nevertheless you are a Catholic.
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Grace and Peace,

So she was Baptized Roman Catholic? I did not know this…

I guess the real question for her is if she thinks we should pursue holiness and expect such pursuit among our leaders? She we pursue, through God’s Grace, to be like unto the Divine?

If this so, and we know that Our Lord said that the Angels don’t give themselves to marriage nor will we in the heavenly places, then why should we as Son’s of God and Brothers of Christ, dead to this world, seek what is worldly and not divine? 🤷

Ultimately, that is why Monastics, Bishops, and with the Latin Rite, Priests don’t seek marriage. Ultimately, it is not a divine quality but one of this world.

I say this as a marriage man and I know that I should be married but I recognize that it is not a heavenly quality because Angels and the Triune God do not share this in common with us. If we believe that we are truly dead to this world, we should put off it’s trappings to the best of our abilities. Part of this is marriage and the sexual acts of our fleshly nature.

This is the teaching of the early Church and many no longer recognize it as we have largely embraced a more humanistic teaching and no longer seek the divine and the divine virtues. We now seek to make the divine human in place of the human divine. Very sad to me but true even within the Catholic Church.
 
vsedriver said:
None of these gentlemen are ordained priests of the Latin Rite of the Catholic Church. They lack apostolic succession.
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You may not have read the whole thread, so you may not be aware that he was talking about St. Peter, the Apostle. I think it is incorrect that he was not ordained a priest, though I do agree, he was not “Latin Rite”. Since Peter was an Apostle, all those he ordained have the succession.
vsedriver said:
I believe that Jesus gave authority (the keys) to Peter and his successors to bind and loose as they saw fit. Should the Catholic Church of the Latin Rite determine that it is better for the Church that priests marry, then the Church has the authority to change that discipline.
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Amen!
 
Tantum_ergo said:
Interesting belief. We Catholics believe Protestants possess part of the truth (and I see you have noted that with belief of Christ who died for our sins, rose from the dead, ascended into heaven . . .all perfectly true). . .but not the fullness.

Baptists often don’t believe in infant baptism, only adults. Episcopalians baptise infants. Both claim Scriptural truth for their position, but both cannot be correct.

Amish do not use electricity and dress ‘plainly’. Methodists use electricity and wear secular clothes. Both claim Scriptural truth for their position, but both cannot be correct.

Lutherans believe that Christ is truly present in the Eucharist. "Bible believing’ Protestants believe that the Eucharist is ‘only a symbol’. Both claim Scriptural truth for their position, but both cannot be correct.

So the ‘unity’ of Protestants is itself fractured and full of contention on many salient points. Even in the Credal points, you have Unitarians who don’t believe in the Trinity; you have Jehovah Witnesses and Mormons, you have people who say ‘communion of saints’ as a belief yet think these saints just ‘sleep’ and are totally unaware.

You have people who speak of a "Rapture’ and an actual 1000 year reign of Jesus. . .kind of a Second Coming which itself is only a prelude to the ‘final’ coming. . . and people who don’t believe anything of the kind.

Sorry, I’ll take Catholic unity (of teaching) any day. At least I know if the individual Catholic rejects a teaching that he is rejecting a teaching. . .not OBEYING the teaching of his particular man-made church.
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I am sorry you believe I obey the teaching of man, I strive to obey God’s teachings and being obedient to the guidance of the Holy Spirit
 
achristiantoo said:
I am sorry you believe I obey the teaching of man, I strive to obey God’s teachings and being obedient to the guidance of the Holy Spirit
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Well then we shouldn’t have any trouble because, as a Catholic, I **also **strive to obey God’s teachings and being obedient to the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
 
LDNCatholic said:
Incorrect. You have indicated that you were baptised a Catholic.

You are a Catholic who has excommunicated yourself from the Church by apostasy.

Nevertheless you are a Catholic.
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that is your belief not mine… what would say if I was never baptized in the catholic church but only baptized as an adult non catholic?
 
Tantum_ergo said:
Well then we shouldn’t have any trouble because, as a Catholic, I **also **strive to obey God’s teachings and being obedient to the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
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Praise the Lord … we are brothers in Christ, I honestly believe we are…unless you are female then we are brother and sister in Christ.
 
vsedriver said:
If you were baptized with water and with the words “in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit” then you are also a member of the Church. Just one who lacks the fullness of the Faith.
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what exactly do you mean by lacking fullness of faith?
 
achristiantoo said:
vsedriver;7798369:
and yes i preferred to keep options open for marriage
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IMO, this is where the problem arises. You are speaking of what you prefer and what you want and giving your desires as a reason not to become Catholic. But what does God want for you? Is not his desire and his preference infinitely more important? Are you at all open to the idea that God might be calling you to be an unmarried pastor, even within your own denomination? It just sounds like you are not Catholic literally because you have put your desires before God’s. I hope I’m wrong though. 🤷
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I would assume you are talking about Roman Catholic Priests.

The answer is simple. They have been called by God to not marry and give up everything for the sake of Christ’s Church.

What part of this do you have a problem with? Them doing what God asked of them, or God asking this of them?:confused:
 
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