Why can't the wise and learned figure out Scripture?

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Matt 11:25:
At that time Jesus said in reply, “I give praise to you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, for although you have hidden these things from the wise and the learned you have revealed them to the childlike.

Here’s one mechanism by which God hides wisdom from the wise and learned, and opens it to the childlike. This came to me a little while ago while I was reading a book on mystical theology.

Academia has an approach to complicated subjects (the “calculus” approach) by which they break it down into tiny pieces which are simple enough to analyze, then fit the pieces together like an intellectual jigsaw puzzle.

But here’s the problem. The Word is holistic. You cannot understand one part without reference to all of the others. If we tried to discuss or analyze the Bible, we must necessarily take off a bite of it. So we say, “this passage means this,” and “that passage means that” and then we try to put them together like a quilt or something. The problem is, few people have a realistic concept of the Word as a whole, so when looking at the pieces it is hard to figure out where in the Body of Christ to “position” them.

Worse is that we will find conflicts which from my observation are either denied or ignored most of the time, or very complex explanations are designed to try to sew together two pieces that on the surface don’t seem to match. So it’s more of a tangled web than a quilt by the time we get done trying to figure it out.

Consider an example from science/medicine. Let’s say we were researching body parts, but we never actually saw a whole living body for some reason. All we saw was a table full of parts. We might pick up the nose and say, “this weighs X amount. It is Y color. Topologically there are two holes in it. If we let it sit at room temperature it will begin to smell after a few days. It’s made of these chemicals. There is one of them in each body.” Same with the ear. “It has one hole in it, it has a rounded shape, there are two per body, etc.” Next, the brain, same sort of analysis. All three of these things seem to have the function of paperweights.

Now, imagine putting all the pieces together, without ever having seen them together. Since we’ve never analyzed an actual live body (remember we’ve only been able to examine parts) it wouldn’t even occur to us that the nose smells and the ears hear, as witnessed by the brain. That’s because we can’t take a bunch of disparate parts, slap them together, and come up with a living human being. We’d just have a heap of body parts.

Similarly, we can’t go out and analyze this passage and this chapter of the Word, exact meaning from each part, throw them together, and think we’re going to construct a Living God.

Now if someone who has seen a living human being walks in and says, “the nose smells things, the ears hear things, and the brain understands their messages,” we would say “what? We have three paperweights here and you’re talking about smell. Well they do smell if they set a while.” We think that person is being absurd, that person thinks we’re blind and stupid.

This seems to me to be a very important aspect of what Jesus was talking about in Matt 11:25.

To keep this post from being longer, I’ll let it end here. I have some supporting material I’ll unfold in the next post.

Alan
 
This post compares the “scholarly and critical” approach, v. a “contemplative or mystical approach” to reading Scriptures.

The rest of this post is an excerpt from William Johnston’s book “Mystical Theology.” pp 7-8

Now there are two ways of studying the sacred page. One can take the scholarly and critical approach, asking about authorship, historicity, literary genres and so on. This is completely necessary for a correct understanding of the Scriptures. Yet the student of mystical theology who limits himself or herself to such an approach will not find the secret wisdom that comes through love. Such a person will not find the presence of Christ. Such a person is eating the outer rind without relishing the delicious inner fruit.

The second approach is contemplative or mystical. It does not neglect scholarship, but it puts more emphasis on savouring and relishing the sacred page with faith. One may repeat a phrase from any of the sacred books, opening one’s heart to the guidance of the Holy Spirit, the Divine Teacher, who dwells in the sacred books and in the human heart. In this way one is open to receive the secret wisdom that comes from love.

St. John of the Cross, who listens to the Spirit while reading the Scriptures, is aware that those who do not share his faith will regard his interpretations as absurdities. This is particularly true of his reading of The Song of Songs:

If these similitudes are not read with the simplicity of the spirit of knowledge and love they contain, they will seem to be absurdities rather than reasonable utterances, as will those comparisons of the divine Song of Solomon and other books of sacred Scripture where the Holy Spirit, unable to express the fullness of his meaning in ordinary words, utters mysteries in strange figures and likenesses.

The secret wisdom that comes through love may seem like foolishness.
 
Matt 11:25:
At that time Jesus said in reply, “I give praise to you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, for although you have hidden these things from the wise and the learned you have revealed them to the childlike.

Here’s one mechanism by which God hides wisdom from the wise and learned, and opens it to the childlike. This came to me a little while ago while I was reading a book on mystical theology.

But here’s the problem. The Word is holistic. You cannot understand one part without reference to all of the others. If we tried to discuss or analyze the Bible, we must necessarily take off a bite of it. So we say, “this passage means this,” and “that passage means that” and then we try to put them together like a quilt or something. The problem is, few people have a realistic concept of the Word as a whole, so when looking at the pieces it is hard to figure out where in the Body of Christ to “position” them.

Similarly, we can’t go out and analyze this passage and this chapter of the Word, exact meaning from each part, throw them together, and think we’re going to construct a Living God.

Alan
I agree with what you are saying but I think there are a couple of ways to look at it. To understand the significance of what is going on in Christ’s ministry it helps to be informed of Scripture from long before. Jesus is referring to the fulfillment of Scripture in the Gospels. So, looking at the whole is important. Scholars like N.T. Wright and others do this very well to help us better understand as I am no theologian myself. My Study Bible with notes is a great help.

That being said, we can take the bits and pieces told to us by our Lord to gain knowledge of the Father. Recall John’s prologue (1:18): “No one has ever seen God. The only Son, God, who is at the Father’s side, has revealed Him.”

As we study those things in particular presented to us by Christ Himself we can come to have, piece by piece, knowledge of our Father. Parables were used because one can only really see their meaning upon reflection and thus further seeking of heavenly things relative to earthly things. I think there is a somewhat mystical aspect too. The more we put into it the more I think is made clear. Matthew 7:7 “Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.”

In Luke 24 the risen Jesus appears to Cleopas and another on the road to Emmaus. They do not recognize Him as He recounts Scripture that tells of all of the things that had to happen. When they later recognize Him they say, “Were not our hearts burning within us while he spoke to us on the way and opened the scriptures to us?” i have sometimes had this feeling when I believe I am being helped by the Holy Spirit to see a particular part of Scripture in a deeper way. Even though there are other parts I need to more clearly understand, the knowledge of the Living God is still possible. Ultimately though, I have realized that understanding everything about Him is just beyond human comprehension and even a holistic understanding of Scripture is still incomplete. What I mostly reduce it to is He loves us, He desires for us to love others and Himself, He forgives our failures, and He has promised renewal and restoration through our Lord Jesus Christ.
 
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What I mostly reduce it to is He loves us, He desires for us to love others and Himself, He forgives our failures, and He has promised renewal and restoration through our Lord Jesus Christ.
Jane,
Welcome to the boards.

I do not wish to disregard any of your very fine post, but just wanted to give a big-ole shout out on the above. 👍
As we are told by Jesus Himself in Mt 22:36-40, Love is the very core. Love is the singular command that Jesus gave to us (John 13:34-35) and in fact, love is at the very essence of God Himself (1 John 4:8).
Everything we read and everything we understand needs to stem from Love and return to Love…Agape…

Peace
James
 
I agree with what you are saying but I think there are a couple of ways to look at it. To understand the significance of what is going on in Christ’s ministry it helps to be informed of Scripture from long before. Jesus is referring to the fulfillment of Scripture in the Gospels. So, looking at the whole is important. Scholars like N.T. Wright and others do this very well to help us better understand as I am no theologian myself. My Study Bible with notes is a great help.
Dear JaneBennet,

Welcome to the forums! Thank you for taking the time to read and post on my thread. :tiphat:

There certainly is more than one way to look at it. If you get 10 people praying Lectio Divina, you are going to get more than 10 ways to look at the passage being used.

And the whole is what it’s all about. 👍

(Unless, of course, it really is the Hokey Pokey. 😛 )
That being said, we can take the bits and pieces told to us by our Lord to gain knowledge of the Father. Recall John’s prologue (1:18): “No one has ever seen God. The only Son, God, who is at the Father’s side, has revealed Him.”
As we study those things in particular presented to us by Christ Himself we can come to have, piece by piece, knowledge of our Father. Parables were used because one can only really see their meaning upon reflection and thus further seeking of heavenly things relative to earthly things. I think there is a somewhat mystical aspect too. The more we put into it the more I think is made clear. Matthew 7:7 “Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.”
Yes! We look at pieces and savor them, but if we look at them both standalone and as a whole – and in my experience “zoom in and out” back and forth – the different richer meanings become clearer. The funny thing is, there are many “richer meanings” that are as individual as the person, and change from one moment/day/decade/etc to the next. That’s partly because technically we are not the same persons now that we were 10 minutes ago – although most of us don’t feel like a different person and in fact in most cases the differences are slight. Now that the Lord has seen fit to open my eyes, during these past couple weeks I sometimes get a sense of growth many times per day, while in another way feeling unchanged.

Parables were excellent because they were designed to work at deeper than literal levels only. I didn’t put that together until you just mentioned it – obvious but I didn’t think of it like that before. 👍

Another Good Thing is that after we start to gain this insight, it grows and at some points showers down more and more meaning.

Matt 13
10 The disciples approached him and said, “Why do you speak to them in parables?”
11 He said to them in reply, “Because knowledge of the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven has been granted to you, but to them it has not been granted.
12 To anyone who has, more will be given and he will grow rich; from anyone who has not, even what he has will be taken away.
13 This is why I speak to them in parables, because ‘they look but do not see and hear but do not listen or understand.’
14 Isaiah’s prophecy is fulfilled in them, which says:
‘You shall indeed hear but not understand
you shall indeed look but never see.
Ultimately though, I have realized that understanding everything about Him is just beyond human comprehension and even a holistic understanding of Scripture is still incomplete. What I mostly reduce it to is He loves us, He desires for us to love others and Himself, He forgives our failures, and He has promised renewal and restoration through our Lord Jesus Christ.
Yes. It will always remain beyond human comprehension from an intellectual standpoint, so the intellect cannot contain but may and in fact does, serve the deeper meanings.

That’s why if we truly seek Divine Union, we go beyond any intellectual understanding and submit our hearts and minds to Him, and ultimately become the Living Word, as Jesus is in us and we are in Him and with contemplation are given insights. Mathematically if two things are the subset of each other, then they are equivalent. The only thing stopping us from realizing that we can become the Living Word is the limitations on our faith, imagination, receptivity, etc.

This is not to boast except in the goodness the Lord, but I had a particularly grueling experience for 11 weeks between last September and December, while I was in Illinois taking care of my mother after she had surgery. When I got back, my pastor told me I had transubstantiated. He said I was still Alan, but I am not the same person. It sounded good because I experienced profound changes but I thought it was awfully interesting way to describe it. He told me about “substance” and “accidents” and said that this body was the accident in which my substance was living … or something like that.

Contemplation is all about achieving Divine Union. A contemplative mind is a childlike mind in the way that the thoughts it has do not overshadow the insights it receives through the spirit.

Reference on contemplative prayer: CCC 2700-2724

Alan
 
Here is another thought about this passage.

Matt 11:25:
“At that time Jesus said in reply, “I give praise to you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, for although you have hidden these things from the wise and the learned you have revealed them to the childlike.”

The thoughts of Jesus are beautiful and they come right down to the point.
The word “childlike” seems to me the key. A child is free of worry and rests in trust. God is so great and beyound our comprehension that He reveals himself only to those who know how little they are next to his wisdom. That a chld accepts all that is asked of it and follows directions without asking questions. In summary, to leave all the worry and concern with Jesus and to follow him blindly wherever his will and wisdom takes us.

Those that are wise and learned in the world do not have a childlike spirit, but rather everything must be explained, and therefore they trust only in themselves.

“Unless you become like little children, you cannot enter the kindom of heaven.” Jesus
 
If I may -
Alan you have posted a very thought provoking thread. Thank you.

All the good ideas contained in it, as well as in Jesus own words in Scripture, can be summed up (IMHO) in an old adage generally ascribed to contracts and other legal documents…

The devil is in the details

This is such a true statement and, unfortunately, it is just as true and dangerous in theology as in other areas.
So many times I have watched discussions and debated degenerate and deform into picking out gnats and swallowing camels because people so engrossed in tossing bible verses back and forth that they lose sight of the “whole cloth”.

This happens so often in discussions between people of differing Christian faith traditions. I watch this and think - "but don’t you people see that if Scripture contains support for BOTH positions, there HAS to be a way to integrate the two things.

Alan - in your OP you referred to a “Quilt”. I like the reference because, each square on a quilt is special and even unique. Yet it is only useful as a part of the whole - and the only way that it can be a part of the whole is if it is stitched together with the other special and unique parts. The thread that stitches all this together is Love. Love binds all together into one whole Cloth.
And interestingly enough…The thread that binds all things together is essentially the exact same thing that makes up each individual square of the quilt. All cloth is essentially “woven thread”…So our faith, with all of it’s principles, rules, commands, rites, disciplines, spiritual paths etc is essentially Love, woven together in many diverse and unique and beautiful patterns.
The way one recognizes that a pattern is NOT of God is that it is not woven together out of Love.

the above surprises even me - - I had none of these thoughts beyond the “devil in the details”, when I started this post…Like I said Alan - a thought provoking thread.
Praise to the Holy Spirit who inspires even the lowly sometimes.

Peace
James
 
Here is another thought about this passage.

Matt 11:25:
“At that time Jesus said in reply, “I give praise to you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, for although you have hidden these things from the wise and the learned you have revealed them to the childlike.”

The thoughts of Jesus are beautiful and they come right down to the point.
The word “childlike” seems to me the key. A child is free of worry and rests in trust. God is so great and beyound our comprehension that He reveals himself only to those who know how little they are next to his wisdom. That a chld accepts all that is asked of it and follows directions without asking questions. In summary, to leave all the worry and concern with Jesus and to follow him blindly wherever his will and wisdom takes us.

Those that are wise and learned in the world do not have a childlike spirit, but rather everything must be explained, and therefore they trust only in themselves.

“Unless you become like little children, you cannot enter the kindom of heaven.” Jesus
👍👍
 
This is such a true statement and, unfortunately, it is just as true and dangerous in theology as in other areas.
So many times I have watched discussions and debated degenerate and deform into picking out gnats and swallowing camels because people so engrossed in tossing bible verses back and forth that they lose sight of the “whole cloth”.

This happens so often in discussions between people of differing Christian faith traditions. I watch this and think - "but don’t you people see that if Scripture contains support for BOTH positions, there HAS to be a way to integrate the two things.
:amen:

And I just want to see this part again…
This happens so often in discussions between people of differing Christian faith traditions. I watch this and think - "but don’t you people see that if Scripture contains support for BOTH positions, there HAS to be a way to integrate the two things.
the above surprises even me - - I had none of these thoughts beyond the “devil in the details”, when I started this post…Like I said Alan - a thought provoking thread.
Praise to the Holy Spirit who inspires even the lowly sometimes.
😃

You’re in the club!

:extrahappy:

:dancing::dancing::dancing:

Here’s what the kingdom looks like to me right now:

 
Alan,

Agreed. Contemplation of one verse of scripture will often lead to a quilted pattern of many other scriptures, and it is the Holy Spirit that knits the pattern. It does take a certain familiarity with the various patches of the whole in order to be shown the quilt for what it is.

This familiarity is in the reading of scriptures, and then laying the difficult scriptures up on the shelf, until the Holy Spirit knows when we are ready for the patterns to be sewn. Quilted patterns must have a quiet and peaceful heart in order to be knitted, this is the difference between the contemplative, and the scientific methods.

God’s peace to all.
 
This is not to boast except in the goodness the Lord, but I had a particularly grueling experience for 11 weeks between last September and December, while I was in Illinois taking care of my mother after she had surgery. When I got back, my pastor told me I had transubstantiated. He said I was still Alan, but I am not the same person. It sounded good because I experienced profound changes but I thought it was awfully interesting way to describe it. He told me about “substance” and “accidents” and said that this body was the accident in which my substance was living … or something like that.

Contemplation is all about achieving Divine Union. A contemplative mind is a childlike mind in the way that the thoughts it has do not overshadow the insights it receives through the spirit.

Reference on contemplative prayer: CCC 2700-2724

Alan
Thanks for the thoughtful reply. Although I am not (yet) Catholic I am striving to understand the Eucharist as much as possible. Your example above provided an excellent way of how to explain what is behind transubstantiation to non-Catholics. I will benefit from this in trying to explain it to my friends when I get the inevitable question, “How can Catholics possibly think they are eating Jesus?”

The childlike nature of the true disciple is so contrary to our socially constructed ideas of wisdom, intelligence, experience, and authority. I know without a doubt that this is the only way to really see God, yet I have found myself fighting my intellect a lot recently in surrendering to this. I have always been a reader and thinker, and indeed my career will be in a field where I am supposed to be an “expert” on particular subject matter. The more I try to impose “worldly” thought processes on understanding God the more confusion I experience. I am seeing it is this dependence on God in understanding that results in wisdom. I am also aided more in removing myself as much as possible from the equation. The more I make the understanding about “me”, the less I am able to see. This is not without reason I am sure.

When I am in a particular rut I turn my thinking to what St. Paul said in 1 Corinthians 1:
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The message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
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For it is written: “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the learning of the learned I will set aside.”
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Where is the wise one? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made the wisdom of the world foolish?
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9 For since in the wisdom of God the world did not come to know God through wisdom, it was the will of God through the foolishness of the proclamation to save those who have faith.
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For Jews demand signs and Greeks look for wisdom,
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but we proclaim Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles,
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but to those who are called, Jews and Greeks alike, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.
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For the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength.
 
Thanks for the thoughtful reply. Although I am not (yet) Catholic I am striving to understand the Eucharist as much as possible. Your example above provided an excellent way of how to explain what is behind transubstantiation to non-Catholics. I will benefit from this in trying to explain it to my friends when I get the inevitable question, “How can Catholics possibly think they are eating Jesus?”
Yes. I think I’m finally comprehending the vocabulary, I think. The “substance” is what it really is, in a mystical way if you will. The “accident” is the particular form it’s in. So when the bread becomes Jesus, it is in fact His Body, just like He said it was, but the accidents (those parts which can be measured by the world) remain bread and wine.

For a while I was thrown for a loop by “transubstantiation” v. “consubstantiation.” In consubstantiation, which as I understand is embraced by at least some Protestant dogma, Jesus enters into the bread and it is now both bread and the Body of Christ. In transubstantiation the bread essentially (in essence or in truth) actually changes, leaving only the accidents of Bread and Wine – two species. Maybe somebody can help me with these philosophical terms. Is “species” similar to “accident?”
The childlike nature of the true disciple is so contrary to our socially constructed ideas of wisdom, intelligence, experience, and authority. I know without a doubt that this is the only way to really see God, yet I have found myself fighting my intellect a lot recently in surrendering to this. I have always been a reader and thinker, and indeed my career will be in a field where I am supposed to be an “expert” on particular subject matter. The more I try to impose “worldly” thought processes on understanding God the more confusion I experience. I am seeing it is this dependence on God in understanding that results in wisdom. I am also aided more in removing myself as much as possible from the equation. The more I make the understanding about “me”, the less I am able to see. This is not without reason I am sure.
Oh wow. The passages you quoted are so good I was going to copy and boldface some of them, but they are all great so I’ll just leave them to be scrolled toward.

I also like the verse leading up to those you quoted:

1 Cor 1:17
For Christ did not send me to baptize but to preach the gospel, and not with the wisdom of human eloquence, so that the cross of Christ might not be emptied of its meaning.

And of course what do we see most of the time? Each of us (I’m included in this) tries to out-argue and out-wit the others with our brilliant logic.

Actually this is a particular problem for me because I’m an unrepentant engineer. The first assignment my spiritual director gave me, based on the fact that I’m technical and like things to make logical sense, was to read Job 38-42. That explains how God put Job in his place. And even though “Job” seems to be an icon for losing everything, at the end God restores Job and there is a happy ending!

Alan
 
I have just now returned from a celebration of the life of a 22 year old with Down Syndrome. Check that, there was NOTHING down about her, she was up for everything. She loved the Lord so deeply she affected every person who came into contact with her. There were people, especially young people who though they were too “cool” to be her friend but it didn’t matter, she loved them and teased them and cajoled them until they were also drawn in by her reflection of Christ.

At 6 she was diagnosed with luekemia and spent the rest of her short life in and out of hospitals for tests and treatments. She always made the lab tech or the nurses giving tests or treatments STOP WE GOTTA PRAY FIRST. Then she would pray to “God Father, in Jesus name, Thanks, I owe you one!” Her favorite song was “Jesus Take The Wheel” and that is exactly how she and her family lived her life. In the process they added her Church Family who prayed so hard so that she could meet Reba and she did and had a wonderful time with her backstage. She also added her Hospital Family and all the doctors and nurses who could make the drive 500 miles to her funeral were there along with her Camp Family from the Red Cross Camp Hope. She rarely missed a high school sport event even after driving 500 miles back from a treatment. Her School Family and her Bus Family were all there too, the High School auditorium was packed with people from all over several states who’s lives had been touched by this wonderful Christian young lady who loved everyone the way Jesus said we should. She danced and she sang down hospital halls bringing Christ’s love to “those less fortunate who couldn’t dance or sing.”

She never complained she just took up her cross and followed Him, dancing with her walker and singing and she probably challenged Him to a race to the top.

And that (Charlie Brown) is why the wise and the learned can’t figure out what Scripture says. They are trying too hard to figure it out instead of just living it.
 
She never complained she just took up her cross and followed Him, dancing with her walker and singing and she probably challenged Him to a race to the top.

And that (Charlie Brown) is why the wise and the learned can’t figure out what Scripture says. They are trying too hard to figure it out instead of just living it.
I can’t remember weeping so joyfully for having know someone in my life.
What a great tale! These are our best examples!

Alan
 
57classic,

As you tell your story, this is a very classic, but rare example of someone who is filled with the fulness of God. This young woman truly lived and breathed in the love of Jesus.

She is one of the saints of God, who comprehended “that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith, that you being rooted and grounded in love, may be able to comprehend with all saints, what is the breadth and length, depth and height, to know the love of Jesus that surpasses knowledge, that you might be filled with all the fullness of God.”

Who would not desire her prayers for us?

Thank you for sharing your story.

God’s peace.
 
Wow, all of your stories are so good! These are the kinds of things I am looking for in the world. We cannot do without apologetics, like Johnston’s book said, but “head knowledge” alone isn’t going to get it.

In fact, I was a little worried about starting this thread, but you folks are making it a great thread!

I just want to remember 1 Cor 13 which everybody and his dog has heard umpteen times at weddings, but it cannot be understood by the “logical” mind which is bent on reducing Catholicism to simple behavior contests as evacuation plan for the next life.

1 Cor 13
If I speak in human and angelic tongues but do not have love, I am a resounding gong or a clashing cymbal. And if I have the gift of prophecy and comprehend all mysteries and all knowledge; if I have all faith so as to move mountains but do not have love, I am nothing.If I give away everything I own, and if I hand my body over so that I may boast but do not have love, I gain nothing.
Love is patient, love is kind. It is not jealous, [love] is not pompous, it is not inflated, it is not rude, it does not seek its own interests, it is not quick-tempered, it does not brood over injury,it does not rejoice over wrongdoing but rejoices with the truth. It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
Love never fails. If there are prophecies, they will be brought to nothing; if tongues, they will cease; if knowledge, it will be brought to nothing. For we know partially and we prophesy partially, but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away. When I was a child, I used to talk as a child, think as a child, reason as a child; when I became a man, I put aside childish things. At present we see indistinctly, as in a mirror, but then face to face. At present I know partially; then I shall know fully, as I am fully known. So faith, hope, love remain, these three; but the greatest of these is love.
I think this makes it amply clear that neither intellectualizing nor good behavior is sufficient. I admit, though, that in the past I have harbored a feeling of superiority over those who didn’t grasp this, and now I see I stand guilty of telling other body parts that I am better than them. Without the apologetics and the knowledge and the moral codes I doubt we’d even have a Church today. Truth be told, I’m quite sure that the very sinfulness of what I call the “outer church” (bishops, church buildings, parishes, what the average “pew sitter” sees – and note that bishops and parish priests are trying to serve both God and mammon, an impossible task) and even its relationship to the “inner church” (contemplatives, mystics, monasteries etc) is the paradox that has kept it alive all these centuries. (think: dishonest steward) If Peter hadn’t denied Jesus, He wouldn’t have had the Rock. And if all Christians were truly Christlike, we would all have been wiped out centuries ago and there would be no Good News to argue about today. 😛

I am also glad to see so many resources for mysticism here on CAF because, honestly, until I (a cradle Catholic) was 42 years old, I never even HEARD of anything beyond the intellectualizing. I consider this something that the Church needs to address in this new century, is now that we have hundreds of millions of people with freedom of speech, and we have the Church established so that no bad guys can come kill us all off, and we have communications and travel technology to bring about global unity. I used to struggle with John 14:12 … “Amen, amen, I say to you, whoever believes in me will do the works that I do, and will do greater ones than these, because I am going to the Father.” That finally sank in. Jesus did miracles not as much because they needed to be done, but to show His authority. So today we can do acts of mercy all over the globe here with all the resources we have. If Jesus had the Internet, He could have done greater works than the ones He did 2000 years ago, too.

The harvest has been ready for 2000 years, and I submit the workers are many and scores are being recruited by the minute.

Life is good. :heaven:

Alan
 
Alan,

You said something that needs to be examined. This contradiction of trying to serve **both **God and mammon is probably one of the root causes of why we fail to abide, and live in the divine love of God of which 1 Corinth 13 speaks.

Contemplatives are often captured and enraptured by this divine love of God. Edith Stein, a Carmelite (St. Theresa Benedicta of the Cross) soon realized that she had to reach out to the suffering, the lost, and the seeking in this world as she was carrying her cross with this divine love of God. A cross which she eventually carried with God’s love to the gas chambers.

So it begins with our willingness to deny ourselves, and carry our cross. Practically speaking, how are we do this in a world that revolves around serving mammon? This seems to be the most challenging aspect of living our faith in the love of God.

Do we have the faith to release all our daily cares, and the pursuit of such cares to the Lord? Do we have the faith to be contemplatives of divine love, to carry our cross, and live out in the world with it?

There is a priest by the name of Gregory Boyle, who wrote a book, Tattoos on the Heart who has shared his story with parable-like anectdotes. For twenty years he has lived and ministered among the worst of gang members in Los Angeles. He has shown them the compassion, the hope, and the faith of the redeeming love of Jesus Christ.

We need the inspiration of such individuals.
 
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