Why can't they get married?

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Why can’t a paraplegic couple get married? According to the church the marriage cant take place because the marriage can’t be consummated. Ms. Arnold states in the Ask an Apologist section that since consummation isn’t possible, the reasons for marriage would be to satisfy lust, to stave off loneliness, to reject the just authority of the Church… I love the church but I have a hard time accepting this. Stave off loneliness? How many of us know marriages that occur for this alone? Since the lonely can consummate, no problem.

What should paraplegics do?
 
Why can’t a paraplegic couple get married? According to the church the marriage cant take place because the marriage can’t be consummated. Ms. Arnold states in the Ask an Apologist section that since consummation isn’t possible, the reasons for marriage would be to satisfy lust, to stave off loneliness, to reject the just authority of the Church… I love the church but I have a hard time accepting this. Stave off loneliness? How many of us know marriages that occur for this alone? Since the lonely can consummate, no problem.

What should paraplegics do?
Marriage is only valid if it can be consummated. This is not something that the Church pulled out of its hat. It was handed down to us through Israel. Christ speaks of it again when he says that the two become one flesh… Neither the Church nor the state have the power to change this.

There is nothing that says that two people who love each other cannot live in the same home as brother and sister. Many people do this, either of the same sex or opposite sex.

We must also separate impotence from sterility. Many people with disabilities are sterile, but are able to have sexual intercourse. Such people can validly marry. Part of the marriage covenant is the openness to new life. If a couple engages in sexual intercourse without contracepting, then it is open to new life. If it does not happen for natural reasons, that is not the fault of the couple. Other people with disabilities are impotent, before the marriage. They can’t engage in sexual intercourse. Therefore, they can’t fulfill the marriage vows.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
Marriage isn’t just an affirmation of love between two people, as mainstream society would have you believe. It’s like a promise between you, your partner and God. Therefore your promise isn’t just to your partner but to God too.
From CCC:
1643 "Conjugal love involves a totality, in which all the elements of the person enter - appeal of the body and instinct, power of feeling and affectivity, aspiration of the spirit and of will. It aims at a deeply personal unity, a unity that, beyond union in one flesh, leads to forming one heart and soul; it demands indissolubility and faithfulness in definitive mutual giving; and it is open to fertility. In a word it is a question of the normal characteristics of all natural conjugal love, but with a new significance which not only purifies and strengthens them, but raises them to the extent of making them the expression of specifically Christian values.”
1652 "By its very nature the institution of marriage and married love is ordered to the procreation and education of the offspring and it is in them that it finds its crowning glory.
 
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Marriage is only valid if it can be consummated. This is not something that the Church pulled out of its hat. It was handed down to us through Israel. Christ speaks of it again when he says that the two become one flesh… Neither the Church nor the state have the power to change this.

There is nothing that says that two people who love each other cannot live in the same home as brother and sister. Many people do this, either of the same sex or opposite sex.

We must also separate impotence from sterility. Many people with disabilities are sterile, but are able to have sexual intercourse. Such people can validly marry. Part of the marriage covenant is the openness to new life. If a couple engages in sexual intercourse without contracepting, then it is open to new life. If it does not happen for natural reasons, that is not the fault of the couple. Other people with disabilities are impotent, before the marriage. They can’t engage in sexual intercourse. Therefore, they can’t fulfill the marriage vows.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
However, Jewish Law states that the primary purpose of marriage is not procreation, but companionship, love, and intimacy. This is based on Genesis, in which Eve (the literal soulmate of Adam) was created because G-d said that it is not good for man to be alone. While having children is a great blessing, it is not required in Jewish marriage, particularly for those marriages in which it is not possible.
 
I have a question then; and it is not meant in a “explain this before I believe what you’re saying” way. If Holy Mother Church teaches it, then I will accept it, but I would still like to understand as (I think) St. Augustine says: Faith seeking understanding.

Why then can we postulate, as some theologians have in the past, that Mary was a consecrated virgin from her youth and that she and Joseph were betrothed knowing that. To me this would have made the most sense of her statement, “How shall this be, since I have no husband?” (Luke 1:34 RSV 1971) I know in other translations I have seen it as, “How shall this be, since I have not known a man?” In either case she knows that she is betrothed to Joseph, so it would seem that the natural assumption would be that Joseph would be the human part of the cause of the birth. Either way, are we to assume then that Mary and Joseph did not marry due to their inability to consummate the marriage?

As I have said, if the Church teaches it, then we are to give the assent of our intellect, but I would still like to know the answers to these questions.

Sean
 
Why can’t a paraplegic couple get married? According to the church the marriage cant take place because the marriage can’t be consummated.
Correct. Permanent impotence is an impediment to valid marriage. It is a divine law impediment.
I love the church but I have a hard time accepting this. Stave off loneliness? How many of us know marriages that occur for this alone? Since the lonely can consummate, no problem.
Companionship is a fruit of marriage, not the purpose of marriage.

A person cannot validly contract marriage if they cannot complete the marital act. To give valid consent requires that they consent to the exclusive exchange of the marital right. They cannot do so.

There is a distorted view of marriage in our culture. Look past that to see the truth about marriage.
What should paraplegics do?
If they are canonically impotent, they are not called to marriage.
 
Either way, are we to assume then that Mary and Joseph did not marry due to their inability to consummate the marriage?
Mary and Joseph were not unable to exercise their marital rights. They mutually chose not to do so.

Their marriage was perfectly valid. Marriages are valid at the time consent is exchanged provided there are no impediments.

I hope you can see the difference as it is quite an important one.
 
A paraplegic couple can get married. It would only be a problem if they also happen to be impotent.
 
A paraplegic couple can get married. It would only be a problem if they also happen to be impotent.
Wouldn’t it also have to be determined that the impotence could not be corrected? Or does it only matter if the person is impotent at the time vows were exchanged, regardless of whether or not it’s treatable?

I think it would be advisable to seek treatment anyway, but I am curious.
 
Wouldn’t it also have to be determined that the impotence could not be corrected? Or does it only matter if the person is impotent at the time vows were exchanged, regardless of whether or not it’s treatable?

I think it would be advisable to seek treatment anyway, but I am curious.
Canon 1084.1 Antecedent and perpetual impotence to have sexual intercourse, whether on the part of the man or on that of the woman, whether absolute or relative, by its very nature invalidates marriage.

It seems that it must be an incurable impotence. However, I’m not a canonist, and I very well might be wrong.
 
Wouldn’t it also have to be determined that the impotence could not be corrected? Or does it only matter if the person is impotent at the time vows were exchanged, regardless of whether or not it’s treatable?

I think it would be advisable to seek treatment anyway, but I am curious.
It should be noted that it is the practice of the Church “not to hinder marriage” when impotence is doubtful, either “in law” (i.e., in the natural law, as far is it can be discerned, there may be a doubt as to whether or not a specific physical limitation constitutes impotence) or “in fact” (i.e., where it is clear that a physical limitation does constitute impotence, but there is a doubt whether or not such a limitation is present, or is permanent). This does not mean that where the impotence is doubtful the marriage is certainly valid. It means only that it is canonical practice to permit a presumption in favour of the validity of the marriage when there is a reasonable doubt about impotence.
If the presumption later yields to the certainty of antecedent and perpetual impotence, the marriage would be declared invalid as from its beginning.
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There are no impotency police in charge of investigating and stopping weddings. 🙂
 
Good topic and a valid question that reveals just how deeply our culturally diluted definition of marriage has penetrated the catholic populace.

We live in an age that deludes itself into thinking that the ‘traditional’ definition of marriage is the union of a man and woman who love each other, wish to celebrate that love with their larger family and friends and wish that love to last the rest of their lives. I call this “Hollywood Marriage.”

Hollywood marriage is a pathetic remnant of the actual traditional definition of marriage which is the permanent union of a man and woman in a self sacrificing love so profound that it is ordered towards the creation and nurturing of new life.

Western civilization abandoned this definition in favor of Hollywood Marriage starting around 80 years ago when people wanted to rationalize contraceptive use. Only now have the logic fruits become ripe. If marriage is only about the feelings of the couple then it is ridiculous to ‘deny it’ to gays, lesbians and impotent people. But if it fundamentally isn’t marriage unless it is “ordered towards the creation and nurturing of new life” then its plain as day to understand.
 
Why can’t a paraplegic couple get married? According to the church the marriage cant take place because the marriage can’t be consummated. Ms. Arnold states in the Ask an Apologist section that since consummation isn’t possible, the reasons for marriage would be to satisfy lust, to stave off loneliness, to reject the just authority of the Church… I love the church but I have a hard time accepting this. Stave off loneliness? How many of us know marriages that occur for this alone? Since the lonely can consummate, no problem.

What should paraplegics do?
not all paraplegics are impotent, first thing.

second thing, the matter for the sacrament is the bodies of the spouses themselves and the conjugal act consummates the marriage. If they are unable to do the marital act, they can’t be married, because they can’t be married. It is not discrimination it is a simple statement of a fact, however sad that fact may be.
 
Why can’t a paraplegic couple get married? According to the church the marriage cant take place because the marriage can’t be consummated. Ms. Arnold states in the Ask an Apologist section that since consummation isn’t possible, the reasons for marriage would be to satisfy lust, to stave off loneliness, to reject the just authority of the Church… I love the church but I have a hard time accepting this. Stave off loneliness? How many of us know marriages that occur for this alone? Since the lonely can consummate, no problem.

What should paraplegics do?
the whole purpose of marriage is to have children. to have children means to have sex. if you can’t have sex you can’t have children therefore the main purpose of marriage is lost. i think what you might be misunderstanding is this couple cannot have a “catholic” marriage. that is a marriage in a church with a service and the whole thing. if these two people are in love and want to be married nothing is preventing them from going to a justice of a peace or a judge and getting married.
 
not all paraplegics are impotent, first thing.

second thing, the matter for the sacrament is the bodies of the spouses themselves and the conjugal act consummates the marriage. If they are unable to do the marital act, they can’t be married, because they can’t be married. It is not discrimination it is a simple statement of a fact, however sad that fact may be.
I was about to say, not all cases of paraplegia are the same: some people are paralyzed on one side of the body, or might be lacking the use of one arm or one leg, or they might be lacking the use of their legs, but they don’t experience any impotence, since the paralysis is in their legs but not their pelvic nerves. In these cases, if they can be sexually aroused in a physical way, then there’s no impediment to getting married. It’s cases where someone is paralyzed from the waist downwards and thus the nerves in their pelvis is affected that they’re more likely to experience impotence.
 
It’s cases where someone is paralyzed from the waist downwards and thus the nerves in their pelvis is affected that they’re more likely to experience impotence.
If one is to go by the canon law definition that that would apply to men only.

Women dont need to have an erection to engage in vaginal sex obviously.
 
Threads like these rather upset me. I tell myself I will accept all canon law but at the same time this sounds incredibly heartless. I see nothing but mocking of people who did get married for love, and only this obsession with having children. If having children is the only criteria for marriage then why does anyone court or date anyone? Let’s go back to arranged marriage where a woman has no say in who she married. Let’s ignore all compatibility and just hope the woman has a good dowry. We could have massive drive through weddings in the church, where the couples are immediately carted off to a neighboring breeding farm, where they can conceive, carry, give birth and then be milked by a machine for proper feeding. Oh wait, the machine would likely disconnect the child from its mother, so scratch that.

I’ve always been anti-feminist, but now I see why feminists get so angry with the Church. I mean really, so if two people are dating for years and one gets in a car accident, then they can never get married? That’s a slap in the face if I’ve ever seen one.
 
The problem with this thread is that there are many responses, but not everyone is thinking with the Church. Therefore the responses are incomplete. As I always tell me students, my novices and my directees. “Think with the Church. Say only what the Church says. Do not add your opinions or take away from her words and you will not be confused.”

The Church says
2366 Fecundity is a gift, an end of marriage, for conjugal love naturally tends to be fruitful. A child does not come from outside as something added on to the mutual love of the spouses, but springs from the very heart of that mutual giving, as its fruit and fulfillment. So the Church, which is “on the side of life,” teaches that “it is necessary that each and every marriage act remain ordered per se to the procreation of human life.” “This particular doctrine, expounded on numerous occasions by the Magisterium, is based on the inseparable connection, established by God, which man on his own initiative may not break, between the unitive significance and the procreative significance which are both inherent to the marriage act.”

Observe, there are two parts to marriage that are inseparable, the unitive and the procreative. Marriage is not solely about either procreation or companionship. It is about both. Life is the natural fruit of unity. Just as the union between Christ and the Church bears fruit in charity, so too the union between husband and wife bears fruit.

Having said that, the Church recognizes that many couples are childless for reasons beyond their control. However, a couple entering into the marriage covenant must be capable of sexual intercourse. Without it, the marriage covenant is not consummated and the marriage does not take place. Christ gives himself to the Church in heart, mind and body. Without his physical death the new covenant would not have been consummated. The covenant required the engagement of the body. This is the difference between the Christian and the Gnostic.

To attempt a marriage without a body that can function is to begin something that cannot be fulfilled or consummated. This is not the same as those couples who have been married and over the passage of time something happens and they can no longer engage in sexual intercourse. This was a later circumstance.

It is important to clarify the situation of Joseph and Mary. At the time of Joseph and Mary’s marriage, our people did not know about the fullness of marriage. Christ had not been incarnate. The sacramental nature of marriage had not been revealed. Mary and Joseph were validly married, as are all people who marry within their faith. There is a difference between a valid marriage and a sacramental marriage. All sacramental marriages are valid. While all valid marriages are not sacramental.

The best advice that I can offer any Catholic when these questions come up is the same that I give to my novices. “Never give your answer. Never rely on your thoughts. Never trust your knowledge. Remember that your are poor. Always answer with the words of the Church. If you don’t know what the Church says, look it up.”

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
Thank you for answering in a way that doesn’t make me want to scream, Brother.

I will meditate on what’s been said.
 
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