Why can't we be wrong too? Convince me

[fhansen]

The Mormons have the Book of Mormon, The Muslims have the Koran. “Christians” of which includes Catholics (by the measure of some but not others) have the Bible.

We’ve all been faced with question before, who is correct, of any? “We are correct”, of course, is what bubbles up to the surface, by each group. And, we, catholics, are no different. By any objective measure, our view, would make us equally as pompous and arrogant, Yet we firmly plant our feet in the earth and scream from the rooftops we are different. We have “the Truth”. Again, how pompous of us.

Why I propose, can’t we all be wrong? So many individuals over so many hunderds of years, have so firmly believed thier Revelation (Joseph Smith, Mohammed) yet we (catholics and other christian faiths) chalk this up to nonsense, they why can’t we be equally wrong? However possibly with a longer (possibly more impresssive) history?

In other words, thay are all wrong, but we are more impressively wrong.

Is their any reason we can’t be right? Not us, of course, but, IOW, is their any reason why one revelation can’t be authentic?

 

[Windfish]

It is simply wrong to think that every one of those religions you listed is on equal epistemic footing, Mijoy. Some are more wrong than others, and we can simply dismiss them. Islam, Mormonism, and Protestantism, for example, rely on revisionist history.

It is possible that we are wrong, but that that is always a possibility when dealing with history since it is always possible that events happened differently than how they were recorded. But that possibility should not paralyze us from making historical judgments. It is possible, for example, that the moon landing was a government conspiracy, but that possibility is minute and should not merit serious consideration.

So no, to say, “Hey, all these other religions are wrong, why cannot we be wrong?” That thinking is too crude. If we are wrong, it will not be because the other religions are wrong. That simply does not follow. If we are wrong, it will have to be because of the evidence and reasoning we have in support of our religion. Our claim is that our evidence and reasoning is warrant enough to accept the truth of Catholicism. So a better topic would be, “Are we right?”

 

[Charlie_Zeaiter]

The Mormons have the Book of Mormon, The Muslims have the Koran. “Christians” of which includes Catholics (by the measure of some but not others) have the Bible.

We’ve all been faced with question before, who is correct, of any? “We are correct”, of course, is what bubbles up to the surface, by each group. And, we, catholics, are no different. By any objective measure, our view, would make us equally as pompous and arrogant, Yet we firmly plant our feet in the earth and scream from the rooftops we are different. We have “the Truth”. Again, how pompous of us.

Why I propose, can’t we all be wrong? So many individuals over so many hunderds of years, have so firmly believed thier Revelation (Joseph Smith, Mohammed) yet we (catholics and other christian faiths) chalk this up to nonsense, they why can’t we be equally wrong? However possibly with a longer (possibly more impresssive) history?

In other words, thay are all wrong, but we are more impressively wrong.

The bible has God’s signature in it; That is, fulfilled prophecy.

The birth, life, death, and resurrection of Christ was foretold in ancient prophecy. Only He who is above time can do this.

 

[pinay]

Who is right? That’s for you to find out. Yep. Each of us individually have to figure out the answer for ourselves.

The formula is - search, ponder, and pray. Diligently. Honestly. Endlessly.

If, after all that searching you find that Catholicism is true, then that’s the truth for you.

God is both Merciful and Just. When you arrive at the gate, He’s not going to say - hmm… you’re Catholic, but the Mormons got it right… so off you go to hell.

I’m more inclined to believe that He is going to say - You searched for the truth and you found it in the Catholic church, so why did you not live your life in accordance to what you learned?

Make sense?

 

[Windfish]

Who is right? That’s for you to find out. Yep. Each of us individually have to figure out the answer for ourselves.

The formula is - search, ponder, and pray. Diligently. Honestly. Endlessly.

If, after all that searching you find that Catholicism is true, then that’s the truth for you.

God is both Merciful and Just. When you arrive at the gate, He’s not going to say - hmm… you’re Catholic, but the Mormons got it right… so off you go to hell.

I’m more inclined to believe that He is going to say - You searched for the truth and you found it in the Catholic church, so why did you not live your life in accordance to what you learned?

Make sense?

Not really. In the real world, we are held accountable for our mistakes, especially if those mistakes are preventable. If there was a Great Apostasy, as the LDS religion claims, well, I as a Catholic, need to know about it. And if it is a fact of history, then there’s no reason I cannot acknowledge that and modify my views. I may be culpable for my failure to do so.

 

[valentino]

My advice; Keep reading and seeking and praying.Its the only way.

 

[wisdomseeker]

No. I wouldn’t want to. He’s far from even being God, not to mention he’s very abrasive!

I’m not trying to sound arrogant but that’s a fact.

That is not a fact. that is your opinion. your opinion does not make a fact.

 

[pinay]

Not really. In the real world, we are held accountable for our mistakes, especially if those mistakes are preventable. If there was a Great Apostasy, as the LDS religion claims, well, I as a Catholic, need to know about it. And if it is a fact of history, then there’s no reason I cannot acknowledge that and modify my views. I may be culpable for my failure to do so.

Hence, search, ponder, and pray. Endlessly.

You can’t determine if the Great Apostasy is fact just by studying history. You really can’t reason your way to it (I can debate either position with equal validity). You have to appeal to the Holy Spirit for guidance. And if He impresses upon you that which is true, then yes, you may be culpable for not following.

 

[norab62]

You act like there’s no proof to what we believe. That it’s all one big shell game. No truth anywhere…

Well, yep. That’s what I would gather, in any event

 

[pinay]

You act like there’s no proof to what we believe. That it’s all one big shell game. No truth anywhere…

Well, yep. That’s what I would gather, in any event

Norab… there is no PROOF. You might present evidence. But you can’t show proof. Proof is the anti-thesis of FAITH.

 

[Windfish]

Hence, search, ponder, and pray. Endlessly.

You can’t determine if the Great Apostasy is fact just by studying history. You really can’t reason your way to it (I can debate either position with equal validity). You have to appeal to the Holy Spirit for guidance. And if He impresses upon you that which is true, then yes, you may be culpable for not following.

So you are saying that this apostasy is not even a fact of history and that I must appeal to supernatural guidance? C’mon, man. C’mon. There are so many problems with that it’s, frankly, ridiculous. If that is our epistemology,I can just as easily assert that supernatural guidance is leading me to conclude that there was no apostasy; there really would be no way for us to adjudicate who is right and who is wrong. Well, actually, we can still look to history, can’t we? Following your epistemology, though, no one can really can be right - hence, people like the OP make threads like this. You are making the same mistake as he is: not every single religion is on equal epistemic footing.

 

[Windfish]

You act like there’s no proof to what we believe. That it’s all one big shell game. No truth anywhere…

Well, yep. That’s what I would gather, in any event

Not necessarily. We think we have proof, but when we are dealing with knowledge and especially historical knowledge, there is always that possibility that things are not as they seem. Historical events could have happened differently than how they were recorded. That is true. That is a possibility. But that possibility is not necessarily significant enough to seriously consider, and that is something that the OP does not realize.