Why can't women simply say "I'm not interested." to men?

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You met her at a race. Could it be that she was only interested in talking to you about the race? Or running?

Do you really think that women should start all conversations with, “Hi, my name is XXXX. And I have a boyfriend. If you are looking for a girl friend, look elsewhere. If you are looking for a fellow runner, I would like to met up with you. But don’t be surprised when I bring my boy friend. He likes to run too.”

Could it be that she didn’t know you were “flirting?” That you were looking for a girl friend? Could it be that she just thought you were being nice?
I doubt that women, who have high intuitive powers, could be so clueless. Men don’t approach women they don’t know just to be in the friend zone. If a man approaches a woman, that means he is interested in her.

As for the second paragraph, no, a woman shouldn’t say, “Hi my name is ____; I have a boyfriend,” but a woman does have several minutes into the conversation to at least mention her boyfriend. Or, to abruptly end the conversation and say “It was nice meeting you.”
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Lorelei12:
Yep, all of this. I’d suggest not looking at every woman you talk to as a prospective partner, and just get to know people. And if you are going to get someone’s number with the intention of asking her out, tell her that directly: “I’ve really enjoyed talking to you, and I’d like to take you out sometime.” Someone’s relationship status is not “crucial information” to someone who thinks she’s talking to a nice guy she met at a race who also enjoys running but isn’t looking for a date.
I’m 33 and I don’t have time to just get to know people. And I don’t have time for confusion. Yeah I need to be more direct from now on.

I’m so tired of this single purgatory and I can’t take it anymore.
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Xantippe:
Come to think of it, when one is a normal monogamous person, one only needs one boyfriend/girlfriend/husband/wife/whatever, whereas you can have almost unlimited friends.

A person who has the boyfriend/girlfriend/husband/wife/whatever slot filled up may still want more friends.
Really? That’s not my observation. People in relationships have less time for friends. That’s why they say bros before hoes, chicks before -----, right?
 
I doubt that women, who have high intuitive powers, could be so clueless. Men don’t approach women they don’t know just to be in the friend zone. If a man approaches a woman, that means he is interested in her.

Or just friendly.

As for the second paragraph, no, a woman shouldn’t say, “Hi my name is ____; I have a boyfriend,” but a woman does have several minutes into the conversation to at least mention her boyfriend. Or, to abruptly end the conversation and say “It was nice meeting you.”

If intentions are friendly rather than amorous, you’re right that it would be nice to do that.

I’m 33 and I don’t have time to just get to know people. And I don’t have time for confusion. Yeah I need to be more direct from now on.

**You need friends no matter what, but I wouldn’t blame you for not wanting to be friends with this particular person.

Also, come to think of it, it’s quite possible that you don’t look your age, so you have more time than you think. I wouldn’t panic before 40-45 in your shoes.
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I’m so tired of this single purgatory and I can’t take it anymore.

**If you ever successfully get married and have a family (which statistically, is a very good bet), you’ll look back on this as a time of unimaginable leisure and disposable income.

I look back at stuff I did as a single woman or as a childless married and I wonder, how did I do that? And the answer is, I did that (whatever it was) because 1) I was a fearless single person/childless newlywed and 2) I didn’t have anybody but me with a call on my time and money. At this point in my life, it’s unimaginable to think of picking up a book and reading the whole thing end to end in a day or spending $50 on something I want, “just because.” You can’t even imagine, because it’s a completely different world.

Enjoy it while you can and then when you’re married and have a family, enjoy that. **

Really? That’s not my observation. People in relationships have less time for friends. That’s why they say bros before hoes, chicks before -----, right?
That’s typical of people in new relationships, but more settled people have more social needs. You’ll notice there are a lot of threads here from SAHMs looking for friends.

This woman might just possibly have a single friend in mind for you.
 
You know what, I’m starting to feel the same way as Estevao.

I messaged Xantippe about this already but I thought I’d share because it’s relevant to this thread.

Yesterday I met a girl at a triathlon. (By the way, races are great environments because everyone looks and feels good!) I talked to her, the convo was above average, so I got her number. There was NO mention of a boyfriend.

Then later I look at her Facebook (come on, you guys do this too) and it says she has a boyfriend.

My question is, should I call her? Also, why didn’t she mention her boyfriend??? Being subtle about rejection is one thing, but why couldn’t she be honest and direct about crucial information like relationship status? Do women understand how humiliating it is to flirt with a woman who is already in a relationship? We don’t want your boyfriends kicking our tails, you know!
There’s no harm in just calling her. She gave you her number, that’s what it’s for! 👍 The facebook could not be up-to-date or maybe it’s more of an inside joke. 🤷
 
I doubt that women, who have high intuitive powers, could be so clueless. Men don’t approach women they don’t know just to be in the friend zone. If a man approaches a woman, that means he is interested in her.
:confused: Don’t kid yourself, we can not pick up on the clue. Believe it or not, us women will often assume at first that you are just being nice or want to have a conversation. We don’t assume that talking to you is like some sort of weird pre-date “scout” out. It also doesn’t always cross our mind that we immediately need to mention our boyfriend. We’re just talking, right?
 
:confused: Don’t kid yourself, we can not pick up on the clue. Believe it or not, us women will often assume at first that you are just being nice or want to have a conversation. We don’t assume that talking to you is like some sort of weird pre-date “scout” out. It also doesn’t always cross our mind that we immediately need to mention our boyfriend. We’re just talking, right?
Exactly.

I actually had someone ask me out on a date, after we have been talking for a while. I said to him, you do know that I am married, right? Nope. Didn’t notice the ring. :eek:

Guys, we are just being nice. And no, we don’t realize you are looking for a wife to test drive.
 
Yeah I think I could take it. I see it as more of a lack of respect when she doesn’t even think that I’m worthy of a clear response. It the soft-no’s that bug me more than the outright no’s.

Good point about not dwelling too much about this and just asking. I’ll do that from now on, who cares about these games. But I’ve been making some progress in getting out of FA-status and certain things women do are bugging me again.
A lot of times women just don’t want to hurt the guys feelings. I suppose there is a selfish dimension here for them because if they hurt you, they aren’t likely going to feel good about it.

If you’re going to date, these kinds of things are going to happen. It doesn’t mean it is fair or nice.
 
If you’re only seeing women’s value as a potential romantic partners, and not as a fellow human beings that might just be interested in being friends, maybe there is a reason you’re having troubles. I think it might be time to stop and reflect. I hope this didn’t sound harsh, but as a woman, I honestly would never even consider spending the rest of my life with a man who didn’t even have the patience to be my friend first. If they don’t have time in the beginning, then when?
 
I’m 33 and I don’t have time to just get to know people. And I don’t have time for confusion. Yeah I need to be more direct from now on.
I’m so tired of this single purgatory and I can’t take it anymore.
Assuming we are talking about a male/female romantic relationship, don’t let people waste your time, but do take the time to get know potential women for a long-term relationship. 👍
 
If you’re only seeing women’s value as a potential romantic partners, and not as a fellow human beings that might just be interested in being friends, maybe there is a reason you’re having troubles. I think it might be time to stop and reflect. I hope this didn’t sound harsh, but as a woman, I honestly would never even consider spending the rest of my life with a man who didn’t even have the patience to be my friend first. If they don’t have time in the beginning, then when?
Relationships should not be rushed, but for men on here I think the issue is romantic communication.
 
I don’t know if you’ve noticed this, but many women have a hard time telling men pursuing them, in black and white, that they are not interested.

Is it because women are so full of themselves that they think the man is going to be destroyed if she tells him this?

Why do women think it’s okay to string men along or drop hints about their lack of interest that men are just supposed to “get it” without her saying anything simple and clear?

Discuss
I’ve had guys do this to be it’s never fun for anyone. We all owe it to others be be honest in a kind way. Sometimes though guys as well as ladies don’t always pick up on the clues another person gives.
 
I’m 33 and I don’t have time to just get to know people. And I don’t have time for confusion. Yeah I need to be more direct from now on.

I’m so tired of this single purgatory and I can’t take it anymore.
Sometimes getting to know people as friends leads to meeting other people. Maybe she has a sister or friend. You never know, but if you decide not to “waste your time” getting to know people as friends, that can mean a lot of missed opportunities. If you’re not willing to get to know anyone who won’t immediately date you, you can’t really be surprised if you don’t have a lot of prospects.

I’d be willing to bet that a lot of people on here were friends with their spouses before dating, too. My husband and I were dating other people when we met. Were friends awhile, went our separate ways, and then randomly met up again a year later at the same place of employment. You really never know.
 
This woman might just possibly have a single friend in mind for you.
This cannot be emphasized enough. Your chances of finding a romantic relationship are exponentially higher this way, especially if the woman is introduced by a female friend of hers.
 
I don’t know if you’ve noticed this, but many women have a hard time telling men pursuing them, in black and white, that they are not interested.

Is it because women are so full of themselves that they think the man is going to be destroyed if she tells him this?

Why do women think it’s okay to string men along or drop hints about their lack of interest that men are just supposed to “get it” without her saying anything simple and clear?

Discuss
Relationship-related decisions are often difficult to make. They often need to be made without having enough information to feel comfortable, and they’ll leave you feeling bad either way. Have you ever had to tell a girl you aren’t interested? Don’t presume it’s much easier from a woman’s point of view, especially if she’s somewhat torn about the decision, has second thoughts and feels bad about having taken things so far if she has to quit now. At least that’s what I imagine it feels like, not being a woman myself.

Next, to get along with women, you need to drop a lot of entitlement and basically become a charity recepient in the sense that affection or interest is something freely given, even somewhat freely retractable. But that’s the beauty of it.

Truth be told, I have met women who have been rather literal, up to the point and defining. I don’t know what’s worse. I think it’s probably the best when you run into someone with whom you have a good intuitive understanding, so you neither have to rub crystal balls nor to be down to business. But there are people who actually like it full-on one way or the other.

Bottom line, you want to find a woman you really want to spend time with and learn about but who also treats you right. With these conditions you can hope for a friendship or a marriage. Otherwise you just have a new acquaintance and that’s it.

Good luck. 🙂
 
Whatever isn’t a clear yes and clear enthusiasm is probably a “no.”
There’s wisdom!
Him: Hey, do you want to go with me to the fireworks show tomorrow night?
Her: Oh, I don’t think I can. [Makes no effort to suggest alternate activity.]
That was a pretty clear no–if she’d liked him and had a little savvy, she would have quickly proposed some alternative.
That’s sorta how I’ve always seen things as being ever since my socially inept nerdy girl-shy teen years. 😃 The problem, though is that your example presupposes a couple of conditions that probably no longer go without saying in the younger generations. Or not. I was just about to say that the girl needs to have had some manners drilled into her, or some presence of mind or some… incentive. But the lack of any particular incentive to immediately make a counteroffer is probably the very thing we’re talking about here — i.e. the fact of just simply not being interested. So probably you’re more right than I’d first thought.

However, many people these days will lack the social graces or presence of mind or ability to take their focus off themselves to offer a countersuggestion when excusing themselves, therefore some differences may still apply.

Andy shy women may be consumed with stage fright. But I sort of suspect that if you intimidate a girl into silence then you probably aren’t the kind of man she needs even though she may be finding you impressive.
Him: Hey, do you want to go with me to the fireworks show tomorrow night?
Her: It’s kind of late for me, because I have to be on the bus at 4 the next day. How about we go to the free movie next week after I get back?
For ‘next week’ it matters a lot what day it is now. Other things being equal, the longer the distance the lower priority you have/the less powerful impression you’ve made.
A shy woman who is interested might genuinely not get that she needs to encourage the guy a little. Hence, I think it’s pretty safe to make two invitations on different occasions, but if both are refused, move on.
Interesting, I’ve always thought that.
 
For ‘next week’ it matters a lot what day it is now. Other things being equal, the longer the distance the lower priority you have/the less powerful impression you’ve made.

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Personally, if I offer any alternative, even a whole week or two out, I am in fact interested. I might just have a crazy work week where going out is not feasible.
 
That’s sorta how I’ve always seen things as being ever since my socially inept nerdy girl-shy teen years. 😃 The problem, though is that your example presupposes a couple of conditions that probably no longer go without saying in the younger generations. Or not. I was just about to say that the girl needs to have had some manners drilled into her, or some presence of mind or some… incentive. But the lack of any particular incentive to immediately make a counteroffer is probably the very thing we’re talking about here — i.e. the fact of just simply not being interested. So probably you’re more right than I’d first thought.

**I think a lot of women might not have the presence of mind to come back with something, but thanks to electronic media, it’s pretty easy for her to get back to him at low risk to her dignity. “Hey, about the fireworks show–I’m so sorry I couldn’t make it. How about blah blah blah next week instead?”

While it’s true that some women are just shy or socially inept, if a woman is single and badly wants to stop being single and has any initiative and any sense, she’ll eventually put some effort into figuring out how to do better. **

For ‘next week’ it matters a lot what day it is now. Other things being equal, the longer the distance the lower priority you have/the less powerful impression you’ve made.

**As somebody else said, “next week” is not that bad. A lot of people are genuinely busy, what with work, school and family commitments. **
 
Back in the day when I was a single girl I was often quite direct in saying no. Especially if a guy was obnoxious. But maybe that was not the best way to do it: men’s feelings and pride get hurt.
Yes, of course, but men can still see the difference between being hurt by the situation and being hurt by you as a person. 😉 Few things hurt as bad as the feeling of being played. A ‘no’ which is not scornful, humiliating or making fun of you is not even really a rejection.

At least from my POV, if a woman said something like: ‘sorry, but I don’t really find you appealing that way,’ or: ‘you just aren’t my type,’ but without a tinge of something like contempt or seeing me as a creepy person who’d best disappear ASAP, then I would probably laugh back and say something like, ‘tough luck!’ and drop it. In theory, at least. In practice, it’s quite difficult to avoid the tinge of ‘creep!’ in one’s voice and to take a respectful ‘no’ for good coin.
Women are told that telling a man she is not interested in him is hurtful and rude.
Depends on the way it is told, the attitude. If the woman isn’t saying it in a rude way, then she isn’t being rude. But if the way in which she says it is rude, then the content of the message is not where the problem lies. Scorn, ridicule, humiliation, that’s what’s hard to take. Or a u-turn, being cut out without explanation. Things of that sort.

‘Sorry, not interested,’ for that matter, is an answer that’s lacking in courtesy if the asker is not being discourteous. It’s a sort of curt answer. Being courteous takes a little more than being in one’s right.
In an ideal world, men would approach women and women would approach men in designated situations where both parties knew that the other was inerested in considering relationships.
Not sure. Designated breeding grounds produce a forced atmosphere. Look at dating websites, singles’ evenings and such like.
The person asking would very clearly ask “would you like to go on a date to assess whether we are both interested in a relationship together?”, the person asked would respond with either “yes” or “no”, and that would be an end of it.
You’re thinking with your left brain right now. Once the romance kicks in, the wording you’ve just cited would feel too business-like for the situation.

A lot would depend on the delivery (tone of voice etc.), but there’s only so much you can do with the exact words.
unless you’ve bought into the romcom idea that a man just has to keep pursuing and harrassing a woman for long enough, ignoring her discomfort, until she changes her answer.
In an ideal world women wouldn’t be using rejections and refusals as a way to get a man to take the hint and try harder. But real life is a bit more complicated than that, and so individual mileages may vary. (Happened to one of my closest relatives.)
Unfortunately man are socially conditioned to chase and endlessly pursue a girl until she gives a she says the word “no”. Look at every romantic comedy or Nicholas Sparks book; the guy gets a bunch of circuitous responses that could have been taken as a “soft no” but they eventually get together.
The problem with soft answers is that the softer they are, the less certain they are. If you really are interested, then you won’t be taking chances that you might be wrong.

So okay, if it’s one of the many girls who catch your eye along the way, then yeah, you’ll go on your own way. But if she’s really captured your interest, then you won’t be taking chances. It may even occur to you that you owe her better since you’re a man and a man is supposed to take charge and be the strong person, the rock. This includes providing reassurance, assuaging doubts, being adamant when others are faltering, going forward when others are slacking.
I remember my female friends telling each other that they had to make the guy chase them and if didn’t keep trying after they rejected him the first time he wasn’t worth it. That mentality didn’t end in high school either.
Humans play games. This is because humans have the ability to think analytically and synthetically, which means they can dissect systems, reconstruct patterns and so on and use the system to their advantage. Social contacts aren’t that much different from a board game. Games are attractive because they amuse people, on the other hand some play to win. Either way, people do something non-obvious in order to achieve a desired purpose. They will use redefined words and gestures for that (i.e. meaning different from face value). In fact, even the law works this way.
 
Yes, of course, but men can still see the difference between being hurt by the situation and being hurt by you as a person. 😉 Few things hurt as bad as the feeling of being played. A ‘no’ which is not scornful, humiliating or making fun of you is not even really a rejection.

That’s because you are a good guy and a good catch.

‘Sorry, not interested,’ for that matter, is an answer that’s lacking in courtesy if the asker is not being discourteous. It’s a sort of curt answer. Being courteous takes a little more than being in one’s right.

**Yeah. If somebody was passing out terrible looking homemade cookies, I’d make more of an effort to say no nicely.
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Personally, if I offer any alternative, even a whole week or two out, I am in fact interested. I might just have a crazy work week where going out is not feasible.
Yes, that’s true. The problem is the asker never really knows the background information, and the answerer never really knows how much the asker can figure out. I think it might be a good idea to offer a bit more information when making a more spaced out counteroffer, just to avoid misunderstandings.
While it’s true that some women are just shy or socially inept, if a woman is single and badly wants to stop being single and has any initiative and any sense, she’ll eventually put some effort into figuring out how to do better.
I think people generally have a hard time looking at themselves and seeing that they too are somewhat socially inept. So perhaps people have a tendency to hold others to higher standards than themselves with regard to social graces.
As somebody else said, “next week” is not that bad. A lot of people are genuinely busy, what with work, school and family commitments.
Well, my original point was that from Thursday to Monday is four days, but from Monday to next weekend is like twelve. Sometimes you just can’t make the time, but, truth be told, when I’m really smitten with a woman I make the time even when I’m spending days and nights at work and drinking coffee by the gallon. If I don’t feel the incentive, it can mean two things: either 1) I’m secure and know it’s fine to wait, or 2) I just don’t have the incentive, period. And #2 is the more probable of the two. I know everybody’s different, but I think everybody follows this pattern to some extent. Willingness to make time, adjust plans etc. is a good measure of interest.

(Obviously, a lot depends on personalities, tempers, job lines, respect one has for his own health, security or insecurity, self esteem etc.)
Like someone else said, a “soft no” is still a NO. Therefore you really are getting an answer even though you don’t necessarily like the delivery.
True, but the certainty of such an answer (or rather your accurate reading of it) is meagre. There is always going to be some pain where women and epistemics factor in the same situation. 😃 😉
Some women have different methods of communication, some women are uncomfortable with direct let-downs like that, and yes, some women are full of themselves I suppose.
Yes, women and men are surprisingly alike and each sex fully deserves the other. 😃
Here’s a more promising interpretation:

A soft no might mean, “I don’t feel like I know you well enough, but if you check back in a week or a month, I might know enough about you to go out with you.”
Yes, and that’s precisely the problem. When the promise is potentially there, as long as your desires are strong you will cling to that promise. Doesn’t apply to every girl you chat up at the bar but definitely applies to the most promising discovery you’ve made in the last two or three years.
In that case, the reason it’s a soft no rather than a hard no is that she wants to keep the door open to things developing later.
Of course, people always want ways out and ways back in. This connects with the game thing where people play the rules to their advantage. Things would be easier if words mean what they say (does exactly what it says on the tin is something that’s used in marketing and … uhh … I guess also being turned into a game).
 
Yeah. If somebody was passing out terrible looking homemade cookies, I’d make more of an effort to say no nicely.
Yeah. Well. I guess you could look at a guy as a plate of homemade cookies from his mum!
That’s because you are a good guy and a good catch.
Thank you!
 
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