Why Catholics will never "win" on homosexuality

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interestedman said:
That is fine. I just don’t think that you should be trying to push your religious beliefs on others then by being against gay marriage because the church says so.
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Interested,

You started a thread about this and I understand your point of view. This is Catholic Answers where you will find many pushing their views. I think that we should be pushing our religious views with more fervor and with more vehemence in particular because you are objecting. It means you are paying attention.
 
AthenaC said:
Well, in all fairness, sensible people look around at their friends, neighbors, and family who are in loving homosexual relationships. The idea that a loving relationship could possibly be evil simply doesn’t compute, especially when you consider that God is Love personified.

Notice how any / most of the arguments have some component of “well, you might think it’s love, but it’s actually evil in disguise”?
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I would point out that of the gay couples that choose a marriage route, 50+% are so to get to gay marriage called open marriages. This is why open marriages are becoming envouge in they hyper pro-redefinition circles. If you follow blogs etc, you will find many openly talking about this. This should not a so called" hidden evil", this in the open and there is active effort to normalize it because in order they know you first have to accept this.

Also there is the question of children raised in this environment, to date there has been only one serious large study, and it affirmed the perspective of sexual complimentarity.

These are not veage abstractions, and so I think Christians can “win” by clinging to the truth, refining how we discuss the truth, and continue scientific investigation of the truth in this matter.
 
fix said:
You claim the Church is not infallible so is your claim infallible? Why are you correct and the Church is not?
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God alone is infallible and absolute, everything else falls short and is merely a contrivance of the human mind.
 
interestedman said:
Just think about the example. Obviously that would never happen, but just try to think about it as if it were true. How would you feel?
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You are asking the wrong question. How one feels is not the issue. Imagine telling a sighted person it is wrong to see?
 
Of course they’ll win. Everyone knows it’s all a secret plot to destroy the nuclear family and kill everyone who supports Judeo-Christian morality, which will then lead to homosexuals dominating the world. That’s their agenda, man!

Or something like that.
 
Regular_Atheist said:
Of course they’ll win. Everyone knows it’s all a secret plot to destroy the nuclear family and kill everyone who supports Judeo-Christian morality, which will then lead to homosexuals dominating the world. That’s their agenda, man!

Or something like that.
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Regular_Atheist said:
Who’s souls are at stake? I don’t even believe souls exist. 🤷 Religious arguments don’t really work, because it makes the assumption that everyone shares your beliefs.

I know. It was pretty low, but I just couldn’t help myself. 😃
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Fair enough. I’m just happy I could use an image from “The Wizard of Oz”. I played the Wizard in my High School play this year 😃
 
Abortion is socially acceptable but that doesn’t make it right. One can love and support homosexual persons in their journey through life without agreeing that people of the same sex can make a marriage. (Certainly, one assumes that homosexual persons wish no harm to the good, loving people who disagree with them on this issue, right? So why assume that people opposed to same-sex marriage wish harm to anyone, or hate anyone?)
 
Hello there.

I do appreicate your opinion(s) on the term “feelings” However, I believe you have missed the mark. Every human has feelings, no matter who they are. Feelings are however, separate from who we are when we are born. I as a Gay Catholic is moved just as anyone else, is moved by emotions, and feelings. Whether those emotions and feelings are of a heterosexual nature or homosexual nature is of no relevance when speaking of a person’s deisre to love, and be loved by another person. I know that God loves me unconditionally. It is up to me, to be mindful of God’s love for me and to share that Love as Jesus did when he walked the earth. If it is God’s will that I share my life with another man, as a married couple, so be it. If and when that happens, it is up to me to share that life with that person, the good and the bad, to be faithful entirely to my partner in all ways. As long as I continue to remember that God is my director and to the best of my ability love hm with my whole heart, then I am assured that I could live happily as God whats me to whether I live my life as a single person or married with another man.

God Bless You.

Gabriel
 
Gabriel_Partida said:
Hello there.

I do appreicate your opinion(s) on the term “feelings” However, I believe you have missed the mark. Every human has feelings, no matter who they are. Feelings are however, separate from who we are when we are born. I as a Gay Catholic is moved just as anyone else, is moved by emotions, and feelings. Whether those emotions and feelings are of a heterosexual nature or homosexual nature is of no relevance when speaking of a person’s deisre to love, and be loved by another person. I know that God loves me unconditionally. It is up to me, to be mindful of God’s love for me and to share that Love as Jesus did when he walked the earth. If it is God’s will that I share my life with another man, as a married couple, so be it. If and when that happens, it is up to me to share that life with that person, the good and the bad, to be faithful entirely to my partner in all ways. As long as I continue to remember that God is my director and to the best of my ability love hm with my whole heart, then I am assured that I could live happily as God whats me to whether I live my life as a single person or married with another man.

God Bless You.

Gabriel
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Gabriel,

Spend your time reading Dakota Roberts postings. You will learn alot. Welcome.
 
tskrobacz said:
CC…truth speaks for itself and is credible on it’s own merits. No need to make this discussion about me, personally, when millions (yes millions) of homosexuals are placed in moral peril and dilemma by the egregious position that so many in the Catholic church have take on this matter.

Christianity is in favor of unity and inclusion of all peoples as an expression of God’s love…it does not discriminate as you suggest. Instead, it asks what does someone that I perceive as standing opposed to my finite understanding have to teach me about a God that is infinitely knowable.
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I am currious–do you believe in right and wrong? Did Jesus not call sinners to repentance? I am confused by your post–in it you seem to imply that God in a desire for unity accepts and affirms everyone–you appear to allow no room for the concept of sin and the separation from God. Could you expand on just what you are saying? How do you define love? How do you define unity? Do you acknowledge there is such a thing as sin? How do you determine what is sin? What if someone is unrepentant and says that their sin is not a sin? How are you to be in union with them? Help me to understand you exact position here? Do you seek to be in union with the unrepentant adulteror and seek out what they can teach you about God? Are we wrong to teach adultery is wrong and call those who commit it to repentance?

Thank you,
Mark
 
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