Why Catholics will never "win" on homosexuality

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I am too, but I am an imbecile, apparently. Case in point, I originally typed this:

“.Yltnerappa ,elicibmi na ma I tub ,oot ma I”

then realized my keyboard was upside down. What a goof I am.

 

[CopticChristian]

Why would anyone choose to be commit a crime like murder? Wouldn’t you rather not be arrested, prosecuted and possibly condemned to death (in some states)? Your argument is not an argument.

There have been studies on marmoset monkeys by Barrett and others (see this document ) that show subordinate females in a social group will become infertile and cease ovulation simply because of social pressures (i.e., being in the presence of a dominant female for a period of time). If this is true and radical changes - not simply to sexual behavior - to sexual physiology itself can occur as the result of social factors, as the research bears out, then there is strong reason for believing that social factors can influence sexual orientation (i.e., same sex attraction is not an innate orientation but a preference based upon social factors).

So the answer to your question, “Why would anyone choose to be gay?” can be stated as: There are strong social pressures that compel someone to choose a gay lifestyle or orientation, just as there are strong social factors that might compel someone to smoke, be promiscuous, lie, steal, cheat, etc., even when their choice of action is clearly not conducive to their well-being.
Strong social factors have always been part of the world condition that Christians have found themselves mired in. In ancient Rome, there were strong social pressures to adulate the emperor. In 1930s Germany, there were strong social pressures to adopt a fascist world view. In the 1930s and 1950s there were strong social pressures in Europe to adopt communism. The Church has prevailed against these and other social pressures and defined itself more clearly because of them.

In modern secular culture there are strong social pressures to view contraception, abortion, euthanasia and same sex marriage as permissible. They clearly are not supported by core Christian and Catholic teachings. These heresies, if adopted, would not more clearly define the Church but radically alter it and ultimately, if followed, eradicate it. Be assured, that will not happen! The gates of hell will not prevail… even when it appears to die, as Christ on the cross, resurrection will be inevitable.

See also this video by Fr. Robert Barron

And this one on For Greater Glory

Peter,

You make a giant leap of thought and conclude what the author does not conclude. Here is what the author concludes.

Behavioural and visual cues together with olfaction all appear to play important roles in maintaining the suppression of ovulation in subordinate female marmoset monkeys.

Now you need to find a population of women that mirror the animal experience. Then all you will have proved is that the ovulation experience in animals and humans is similar. Everything else you write is nonsense and conjecture.

 

[CopticChristian]

So are you saying you do not believe in an absolute “right” or “wrong”? Or are you saying that you cannot know the absolute “right” or “wrong”?

When you state there are acts of self will (e.g. Adultery, Murder, etc.) which are clearly counter to loving union–how do you know that this is not simply your perception?

Regarding your idea of “intrinsic creation”-- how does this apply to those who are created with an intrinsic sexual attraction to children? Is this part of their “intrinsic foundation of the human person ] given by God and untouchable by any human intervention whatsoever”?

Isn’t there a difference betweeen blindness and being ethnicity? Are you implying that we should not cure a persons blindness if we can?

You seem to imply that you think murder and adultery or wrong --what does this do to that persons relationship with God and with society if they do not repent and do not believe their actions are wrong? What do you make of such a person–or are you open to the possibility that your finite perception is wrong–so you will love and embrace these people and offer no guidance or correctiom?

I am just trying to fully understand what you are saying.

Thanks,
Mark

Mark,

Tsk is a disciple of a Rogue Catholic and is trying to teach Richard Rohr. I found this stuff and you may see the same sort of thinking as you see here from Tsk…

forums.catholic-questions.org/printthread.php?t=437732

tskrobacz Mar 19, '10 9:59 am

Originally Posted by Neil_Anthony (Post 6410576)

I’ve been reading quotes from Fr. Richard Rohr that are interesting but I’m not always sure if they’re orthodox. For example this one

“Evil is not overcome by attack or even avoidance, but by union at a higher level. It is overcome not by fight or flight, but rather by “fusion”!”

In other quotes he talks about absorbing evil instead of separating from it.

Is he a Catholic priest in good standing? Can anyone help me understand what it means to have “fusion” with evil, in this context?

Thanks,
Neil

Response by Tsk

Fr. Rohr speaks from a deep spirituality that is often misinterpreted by anyone that is not familiar with the teachings of the Catholic mystics including Thomas Merton, Thomas Keating and others. He correctly teaches that the only way to overcome evil is by not fueling it with confrontation…Love thy enemies remains a tough pill to swallow but is the ultimate call of Christian love

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However check out this response to a question about Richard Rohr.

saint-mike.org/qa/sw/viewanswer.asp?QID=465

Question Answered by Bro. Ignatius Mary, OLSM

Dear Brenda:

“father” Rohr is a dissenter from the Faith and one disgusting person. He supports the dissenting organization Call to Action, and his stance on homosexuality and the Enneagram contradicts Roman Catholic teaching.

He speaks in a way that shows his disdain for the Catholic Church making fun of anything distinctly Catholic. This is a man who thinks his opinions outrank the Holy See and who wishes to re-invent the Church in his own image, or get rid of the Church altogether.
There is patently no excuse for any Catholic organization, any Catholic bishop, or any Catholic priest to allow this man to speak at their events. Those that do, and this includes Cardinal Mahoney, should be ashamed of themselves allowing the Faithful to be contaminated by this man’s anti-Catholic dribble and will be held to account before God for their shameful behavior and teaching.

For good insight into the nature of these non-catholic Catholics read the article at Catholic Culture website, Top Amchurch Catechists Subvert Church’s Doctrine and Discipline.

catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?id=3611&CFID=4352035&CFTOKEN=35159985

Fr. Rohr is Rogue and Tsk is a disciple of a Rogue and his thinking makes no sense to you because it comes from another world appearing to be Catholic and it is not…could be a sheep, looks like a sheep, what big eyes you have, what big teeth you have…my oh, my, a wolf…

 

[Matilda_Bennett]

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