Why celebrate Christmas

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My son was born on Dec 18- he thought he was being cheated from getting BD presents so for many years we celebrated -gave BD gifts on June 18th his half birthday.

I worked in a hospital for many years and missed many holicays so we celebrated on another day sometimes 2 weeks later.

It is the celebration of the event that is important not the celebration of the specific day.
 
Hisalone said:
God entrusted His times and His seasons to the Jewish people and has always done according to His calender.
Christs death corresponds with Passover, we call Him our Passover lamb.
Pentacost is a Jewish feast of “First Fruits”

So in Gods calender what is December 25th?
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The Feast of Lights, right? Jesus is the Light of the World. 🙂
 
Yes, it’s amazing that people pick up on Passover, but ignore Hanukkah when they say, "See, God used the Jewish feast of Passover because it prefigured Christ’s sacrifice, but what was December 25th in the Jewish calendar?. . .well, very likely the year of Christ’s birth Hanukkah fell right there. . .oh my. Gee. The light that burned miraculously. Gee, that would have absolutely no ‘reference’ to Jesus now would it?

Mixing of ‘pagan’ and Christian, eh?

So, His, do you wear a wedding ring? Women wear veils and wedding gowns? Throw rice at your wedding? Give a ‘toast’ to the bride and groom? “Give the bride away?” These are all pagan customs, His. Shame on you if you ‘mix’ them into a Christian marriage.

And I’ll bet you have the garter. Something old, something new, something borrowed something blue?
Does the groom take care not to ‘see’ his bride right before the ceremony?

Say, do you have an Easter basket at Easter?

Or is that another hideous ‘paganization’.

I’m surprised you even read the Bible. Paper is pagan you know. Pagans used scrolls and invented writing. How dare you mix Christian words with pagan pen, paper and ink? Tsk tsk.
 
Hisalone said:
Why celebrate Christmas

on a day other than Christs birth?
Makes no sense.
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The Church has declared it a holiday, the same Church that has the authority to “bind and loose”.

I could continue on with more reasons, but that one is more than sufficient
 
The funny (well actually it’s sad) thing is that as Hisalone wanders along the road patting himself/herself on the back for being a ‘real Christian’ without any of that pesky ‘paganization’ or ‘additions’ to the faith. . .Hisalone is not ‘celebrating’ Christianity in any way that would be recognized historically by the Christians he/she claims to be ‘accurately represent’.

St. Peter would not recognize His’ refusal to recognize the authority of the Church, as opposed to some nebulous ‘the Spirit has guided me’. St. Paul would not recognize somebody who insisted that ‘all Scripture’ was the ONLY thing needed to be a Christian. The early Christians would not recognize His’ ‘paganophobia’ and self-imposed ‘power’ to somehow sense only those practices which had never been used by ‘pagans’. . .
 
Hisalone said:
on a day other than Christs birth?
Makes no sense.
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I’m sure this has been answered before, but…it’s a liturgical celebration. Not a literal birthday, but simply the date which the Church uses during the church year to celebrate the Nativity and all events around it.
 
Hisalone said:
Its not when Christ was born.
December 25th mixes the holy with the profane.
Christ with pagan…
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Since Christ’s Birth Date is not mentioned in the Bible, what’s the big deal with the 25th celebration?

We also don’t know what Jesus looked like ~ so what’s the big deal?

We also don’t know what Jesus ate on a daily basis ~ so what’s the big deal?

We also don’t know what Jesus drank on a daily basis ~ so what’s the big deal?

We also don’t know how Jesus dressed on a daily basis ~ so what’s the big deal?

We also don’t know were Jesus slept on a daily basis ~ so what’s the big deal?

We also don’t know the exact date John The Baptist Baptized Christ ~ so what?

We also don’t know what Jesus did in his younger days ~ so what’s the big deal?

We also don’t know how Jesus combed his hair ~ so what’s the big deal?

We also don’t know the color of Jesus eyes and hair ~ so what’s the big deal?

I read the wiki page - so what?

We do NOT celebrate the “profane” as it’s mentioned on the wiki page.

The bigger deal my friend is the message in the Gospels and Christs teachings and that’s all that matters.

December 25th has been chosen as tradition and so be it.

@ OP:

My mother is an orphan, her father died 3 months before she was born and her mother died giving birth to my mother.

No one knows my mom’s REAL birthday so we celebrate her the same time as my birthday!

Nothing wrong with it!

There are more bigger things in life to ponder and dwell about than December 25th.

Peace to you & yours & a very early wish for a:

Merry, Healthy & Happy Christmas

Celebration of our LORD, Jesus Christ & His Birth!
 
Hisalone said:
Its not when Christ was born.
December 25th mixes the holy with the profane.
Christ with pagan…
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You could say the same of this website, mixing Christ with the Internet. Its a weak argument

So, what day would YOU choose to celebrate the fact that Christ the Savior was born?
 
Hisalone,

If it were up to you, what day would YOU celebrate Christ’s birthday on? Or would you opt to ban Christmas completely? (like the White Witch in Narnia :o)
 
Tantum_ergo said:
St. Peter would not recognize His’ refusal to recognize the authority of the Church, as opposed to some nebulous ‘the Spirit has guided me’. St. Paul would not recognize somebody who insisted that ‘all Scripture’ was the ONLY thing needed to be a Christian. The early Christians would not recognize His’ ‘paganophobia’ and self-imposed ‘power’ to somehow sense only those practices which had never been used by ‘pagans’. . .
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If only he lived back in those times instead, so he could teach Sts. Peter and Paul how to be “real” Christians. 😛
 
I actually kind of (and I mean kind of) admire Christians who reject Christmas because of it’s Catholic roots. If you’re going to go, might as well go big!

Of course, they need to also reject the NT as the inspired word of God, considering the Catholic Church is the one who declared the cannon (and hand-copied it, and protected it, and passed it down–who knows what errors slipped in among those crazy monks! ;))

Hang on, if the Holy Spirit could actually work through the Catholic Church, maybe Christmas is ok, too!

Sorry, I couldn’t help myself.

Hisalone, by all means, don’t celebrate Christmas. As for me, I’m going to continue to honor the birth of my Lord and Savior.

Peace everybody!
Tezza
 
The actual date of Jesus birth is accidental to the MIracle, as is the bread accidental to the True Body and Blood. However, up until now I had always assumed it was in the season of “lambing”, which would be closer to Spring, that is until Tantum Ergo posted the section from the book by the Anglican.
Scot Hahn has many times referenced the importance of how the Old Testament prefigures the New. And the posting about the physical location of the sheep, is perhaps more important than the actual date, because it would prefigure Christ being born “The Lamb of God” in the same area as the pastures from which the Temple Lambs were likewise born. Thank you T.E. for that posting, I will track down that book for a good read.
 
<<Hisalone dies and approaches the Pearly Gates. Heaven is beautiful! Just as he thought it would be. Crowds of people dressed in long white robes. Lots of shouts of “hosanna” and “Alleluia”.

There is an older, bearded man at the gates. Must be “Peter”. Hah. One in the eye for the Catholics. Those ignorant Papists think Peter was a Pope, all dolled up in fancy robes and wearing a crown. Hisalone knew Peter wasn’t anybody ‘special’. How gratifying to see how correct he was!

The older man looks at Hisalone. Funny, for being ‘nobody special’ there is a certain dignity and aura of goodness about this man. Hisalone starts to feel somewhat humble–a very strange sensation.

“I expect I’ll see Jesus anytime now” says His.

“You are expecting to see Jesus?” says the man.

"Well, here I am in heaven. I spent my life down there on earth being a real Christian. Man, I proclaimed Christ. I told people what He said, what He meant, what He wanted. . . "

“Oh? And how did He tell you that?” said the man.

“The BIBLE of course! EVERYTHING is in the Bible.”

The man looks at Hisalone again, and gives a little smile and a little sigh.

“So when can I see Jesus?”

“Well, actually we’re all kind of busy right now celebrating His birthday so He’s rather tied up. . .”

“Wonderful. Now I’ll finally be able to celebrate His birthday” smiled Hisalone.

“What stopped you from celebrating it on earth?” asked the man.

“Well, naturally since nobody knew the real date He was born, we couldn’t celebrate His birthday” said Hisalone.

“Funny”, said the man. “Most of the people who come in here celebrated it on December 25th. They called it .”

“That pagan travesty?” scoffed Hisalone. “I wouldn’t be caught dead celebrating Christ’s birth on that jumped up papist pagan abomination.”

Just then a man came running from beyond the gate. He was clothed in armour, winged, and carrying a sword. Hisalone gasped. . .this had to be the archangel Michael.

“Come on, Peter”, smiled Michael. “We’re just at the best part. Jesus has put up the tree and Santa’s getting ready to come down the chimney”.

Hisalone staggered to his knees. Was he dreaming?

Michael looked at Peter.

Peter looked at Hisalone.

“But. . .but. . .all that stuff is PAGAN. I read the HISTORY. All that Christmas stuff was just made up! All those pagan things, the very date was for a pagan god. . .”

Peter said, “Are you sure? You told me nobody knew the date Christ was born. . .”

"Nobody DID!’ said Hisalone.

“But most Christians throughout history celebrated it on December 25 because the Catholic Church instituted that as the feast” said Michael.

“Didn’t you trust Christ’s Church?” said Peter.

“But Christ’s Church isn’t the RCC!” said Hisalone.

“Of course not”, said Peter and Michael.

Hisalone breathed a sigh of relief.

“There’s no such thing as the RCC” said Peter.
“Catholic Church, that’s the name.” said Michael.

Hisalone felt an awful emptiness in the pit of his stomach. “The ‘invisible’ universal church of all believers” he quavered. . .

“No, the Catholic Church” said Peter. “The one that Christ established on the rock of my faith and that I led like a father.” His eyes grew soft. “Like a papa. . .”

"But. . . they couldn’t. . .they aren’t. . .it isn’t. . .it can’t be. . " stuttered Hisalone.

“Oh, it is. Of course, He understands that you weren’t really rejecting the real Catholic Church”, said Peter.
“You thought the Catholic Church was some old cult thing and you thought it was evil. But it’s like when you were a little child that one night and thought that there was a monster at the foot of your bed because there was a shadow over an old coat hung on the wall. You were afraid of a monster but there was no monster. And so you hated the Catholic Church as a monster. . .but there too, there was no monster. . .”

Both Michael and Peter embraced the sobbing Hisalone.

“Come in, He’s waiting for you.”
“And you’re lucky” said Michael with a smile. “It’s not everybody who manages to die and get here in time for His birthday. After all. . .December 25 only happens once a year. . .”>>>
 
we celebrate the fact that Jesus was born and because of His brith, God lived among us, taught us and then died for our sins and He opened the way to heaven for us. by His resurrection He gave us hope that we too will resurrect from our death

now, what we celebrate during Christmas is not the day of His birth but the fact of His birth. whether Jesus was born December 25 is besides the point. the day is not as important as the event itself.
 
another thing is that Decmeber 25 is a few days after Winter Solstice. its about the time of the year when light starts winning over darkness. from Summer Solstice until Winter Solstice, daylight grows shorter and night grows longer. if you’re above the arctic circle, you won’t have daylight for about 3 days. then light starts again.

that symbolism is not lost on early Christians. Jesus is the light of the world, his arrival is the triumph of light over darkness
 
Tantum ergo,

WOW :eek: :clapping:

Sounds like a promising new holiday classic … could be like this century’s “A Christmas Carol”; you could publish a book and who knows, maybe someday a feature film? Maybe we should start thinking about what actor we want to play the part of -]Scrooge/-] Hisalone? 😉
 
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