Why Christians shouldn't drink alcohol (even if it's in moderation, it's a sin!)

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Here’s why. Alcohol is a mind altering drug. Even just somebody having one drink to “relax, but not to get drunk”, is still having their inhibitions lowered, as well as their thought processes slowing down, which violates the Bible’s commands to stay sober. Sometimes, even when they’re not drunk, alcohol may influence some people to say things that they wouldn’t normally say. Yes, they can still think clearly and they still can keep their basic judgement if they drink in moderation, it’s nowhere near as bad as a drunk person who’s judgement and soberness is totally impaired, but it’s still not right! Their soberness is still being impaired to some extent.

Christians that defend drinking alcoholic beverages in moderation are condoning the usage of mind altering drugs.

Even if drinking in and of itself isn’t a sin, in a culture that’s so harmed by the abuse of alcohol, why not decide to not drink, in an effort to influence everybody else not to drink, which might stop some people from using alcohol irresponsibly and dangerously.

Sure, having a glass of beer or wine is not on the same level as sin or wickedness as getting drunk is, but it’s still not right at all, in my opinion.

It’s definitely immoral for somebody to smoke pot, don’t you agree with me? Yes it is, because “drugs are bad” and us Christians shouldn’t be drug users. Yet you think nothing is morally wrong with using a mind-altering drug in the form of alcohol? A casual booze drinker is no better than a casual pot smoker, except they aren’t breaking the law. They are after the same psychoactive effect, that “buzz” one gets from a mind-altering drug. And that’s not good.

A marijuana smoker has their inhibitions lowered, which contradicts the Bible’s commands at soberness, however, a person that has a glass of wine is doing that same exact thing. What’s the difference? There is none. Both are using mind altering drugs for a “buzz”, which lowers their inhibitions, which the Bible condemns. By defending the moderate consumption of alcohol, Christians are acting no better than a pot smoker defending the moderate usage of marijuana, by stating “yes, getting drunk is immoral, but I don’t drink to get drunk, i drink to relax”, which is the same exact thing as a pot smoker saying, “i just get buzzed, i don’t get stoned”.

Most people that condone alcohol in moderation would never smoke marijuana (and rightfully so, using drugs is very immoral!). That’s because “drugs are bad” and they aren’t drug users. Yet they thought nothing of using some other mind-altering drug in the form of alcohol! Such hypocrites!

Yes I know that drinking small amounts of alcohol don’t lead to drunkenness and intoxication (which the Bible clearly condemns). But it still doesn’t make it right!

Just like a casual pot smoker, someone taking a few tokes isn’t going to be stoned and intoxicated (which is intoxication-the equivalent to being drunk). But it still doesn’t make it right to smoke pot, which is a drug! Also, alcohol is a DRUG! Remember that!

Yes I know that someone who has a glass of beer or wine isn’t really drunk or intoxicated! Technically, yes. But that still doesn’t make it right!

Just like someone having one puff of a joint isn’t stoned or intoxicated. But that still doesn’t make that right either. Is that moral and OK to do? No, of course not! So why should doing that very same thing with another mind altering drug (aka alcohol), be condoned? That’s very hypocritical and inconsistent if you ask me, to condone the moderate consumption of alcohol. We shouldn’t have double standards as Christians. Sin is sin.

Shouldn’t us as Christians realize that we should simply just stop defending and justifying this mind altering drug called alcohol, simply because of our cultural bias and because of it’s popularity and social acceptance? We wouldn’t do that very same thing with other mind altering drugs, so what makes alcohol any different?

Also, yayin and oinos can also mean regular grape juice also. Those words don’t really prove that drinking alcohol is condoned in the Bible. In fact, proverbs 31 4 even states that kings and princes are not supposed to drink wine, as well as strong drinks.

My conclusion to all of this is basically this. It’s sinful and unwise for Christians to drink alcohol.
 
Wrong. This is what fundamentalists believe. The Catholic religion does not require a complete puritanical mindset. God created food and drink. Done in moderation, one is not committing the sin of gluttony.
 
Here’s why. Alcohol is a mind altering drug. Even just somebody having one drink to “relax, but not to get drunk”, is still having their inhibitions lowered, as well as their thought processes slowing down, which violates the Bible’s commands to stay sober. Sometimes, even when they’re not drunk, alcohol may influence some people to say things that they wouldn’t normally say. Yes, they can still think clearly and they still can keep their basic judgement if they drink in moderation, it’s nowhere near as bad as a drunk person who’s judgement and soberness is totally impaired, but it’s still not right! Their soberness is still being impaired to some extent.

Christians that defend drinking alcoholic beverages in moderation are condoning the usage of mind altering drugs.

Even if drinking in and of itself isn’t a sin, in a culture that’s so harmed by the abuse of alcohol, why not decide to not drink, in an effort to influence everybody else not to drink, which might stop some people from using alcohol irresponsibly and dangerously.

Sure, having a glass of beer or wine is not on the same level as sin or wickedness as getting drunk is, but it’s still not right at all, in my opinion.

It’s definitely immoral for somebody to smoke pot, don’t you agree with me? Yes it is, because “drugs are bad” and us Christians shouldn’t be drug users. Yet you think nothing is morally wrong with using a mind-altering drug in the form of alcohol? A casual booze drinker is no better than a casual pot smoker, except they aren’t breaking the law. They are after the same psychoactive effect, that “buzz” one gets from a mind-altering drug. And that’s not good.

A marijuana smoker has their inhibitions lowered, which contradicts the Bible’s commands at soberness, however, a person that has a glass of wine is doing that same exact thing. What’s the difference? There is none. Both are using mind altering drugs for a “buzz”, which lowers their inhibitions, which the Bible condemns. By defending the moderate consumption of alcohol, Christians are acting no better than a pot smoker defending the moderate usage of marijuana, by stating “yes, getting drunk is immoral, but I don’t drink to get drunk, i drink to relax”, which is the same exact thing as a pot smoker saying, “i just get buzzed, i don’t get stoned”.

Most people that condone alcohol in moderation would never smoke marijuana (and rightfully so, using drugs is very immoral!). That’s because “drugs are bad” and they aren’t drug users. Yet they thought nothing of using some other mind-altering drug in the form of alcohol! Such hypocrites!

Yes I know that drinking small amounts of alcohol don’t lead to drunkenness and intoxication (which the Bible clearly condemns). But it still doesn’t make it right!

Just like a casual pot smoker, someone taking a few tokes isn’t going to be stoned and intoxicated (which is intoxication-the equivalent to being drunk). But it still doesn’t make it right to smoke pot, which is a drug! Also, alcohol is a DRUG! Remember that!

Yes I know that someone who has a glass of beer or wine isn’t really drunk or intoxicated! Technically, yes. But that still doesn’t make it right!

Just like someone having one puff of a joint isn’t stoned or intoxicated. But that still doesn’t make that right either. Is that moral and OK to do? No, of course not! So why should doing that very same thing with another mind altering drug (aka alcohol), be condoned? That’s very hypocritical and inconsistent if you ask me, to condone the moderate consumption of alcohol. We shouldn’t have double standards as Christians. Sin is sin.

Shouldn’t us as Christians realize that we should simply just stop defending and justifying this mind altering drug called alcohol, simply because of our cultural bias and because of it’s popularity and social acceptance? We wouldn’t do that very same thing with other mind altering drugs, so what makes alcohol any different?

Also, yayin and oinos can also mean regular grape juice also. Those words don’t really prove that drinking alcohol is condoned in the Bible. In fact, proverbs 31 4 even states that kings and princes are not supposed to drink wine, as well as strong drinks.

My conclusion to all of this is basically this. It’s sinful and unwise for Christians to drink alcohol.
Does this mean I’m sinning if I sip the eucharistic wine?

What about the wedding at Cana?

Non-fermented grape juice would have been impossible at the last supper.
 
Here’s why. Alcohol is a mind altering drug. Even just somebody having one drink to “relax, but not to get drunk”, is still having their inhibitions lowered, as well as their thought processes slowing down, which violates the Bible’s commands to stay sober. Sometimes, even when they’re not drunk, alcohol may influence some people to say things that they wouldn’t normally say. Yes, they can still think clearly and they still can keep their basic judgement if they drink in moderation, it’s nowhere near as bad as a drunk person who’s judgement and soberness is totally impaired, but it’s still not right! Their soberness is still being impaired to some extent.

Christians that defend drinking alcoholic beverages in moderation are condoning the usage of mind altering drugs.

Even if drinking in and of itself isn’t a sin, in a culture that’s so harmed by the abuse of alcohol, why not decide to not drink, in an effort to influence everybody else not to drink, which might stop some people from using alcohol irresponsibly and dangerously.

Sure, having a glass of beer or wine is not on the same level as sin or wickedness as getting drunk is, but it’s still not right at all, in my opinion.

It’s definitely immoral for somebody to smoke pot, don’t you agree with me? Yes it is, because “drugs are bad” and us Christians shouldn’t be drug users. Yet you think nothing is morally wrong with using a mind-altering drug in the form of alcohol? A casual booze drinker is no better than a casual pot smoker, except they aren’t breaking the law. They are after the same psychoactive effect, that “buzz” one gets from a mind-altering drug. And that’s not good.

A marijuana smoker has their inhibitions lowered, which contradicts the Bible’s commands at soberness, however, a person that has a glass of wine is doing that same exact thing. What’s the difference? There is none. Both are using mind altering drugs for a “buzz”, which lowers their inhibitions, which the Bible condemns. By defending the moderate consumption of alcohol, Christians are acting no better than a pot smoker defending the moderate usage of marijuana, by stating “yes, getting drunk is immoral, but I don’t drink to get drunk, i drink to relax”, which is the same exact thing as a pot smoker saying, “i just get buzzed, i don’t get stoned”.

Most people that condone alcohol in moderation would never smoke marijuana (and rightfully so, using drugs is very immoral!). That’s because “drugs are bad” and they aren’t drug users. Yet they thought nothing of using some other mind-altering drug in the form of alcohol! Such hypocrites!

Yes I know that drinking small amounts of alcohol don’t lead to drunkenness and intoxication (which the Bible clearly condemns). But it still doesn’t make it right!

Just like a casual pot smoker, someone taking a few tokes isn’t going to be stoned and intoxicated (which is intoxication-the equivalent to being drunk). But it still doesn’t make it right to smoke pot, which is a drug! Also, alcohol is a DRUG! Remember that!

Yes I know that someone who has a glass of beer or wine isn’t really drunk or intoxicated! Technically, yes. But that still doesn’t make it right!

Just like someone having one puff of a joint isn’t stoned or intoxicated. But that still doesn’t make that right either. Is that moral and OK to do? No, of course not! So why should doing that very same thing with another mind altering drug (aka alcohol), be condoned? That’s very hypocritical and inconsistent if you ask me, to condone the moderate consumption of alcohol. We shouldn’t have double standards as Christians. Sin is sin.

Shouldn’t us as Christians realize that we should simply just stop defending and justifying this mind altering drug called alcohol, simply because of our cultural bias and because of it’s popularity and social acceptance? We wouldn’t do that very same thing with other mind altering drugs, so what makes alcohol any different?

Also, yayin and oinos can also mean regular grape juice also. Those words don’t really prove that drinking alcohol is condoned in the Bible. In fact, proverbs 31 4 even states that kings and princes are not supposed to drink wine, as well as strong drinks.

My conclusion to all of this is basically this. It’s sinful and unwise for Christians to drink alcohol.
Jesus drank enough to open himself up to accusations of being a drunkard. Clearly not grape juice, as drinking that in any quantity would not raise an eyebrow.

He also produced wine in large quantities (120 gallons!) at Cana for guests who had already drunk the place dry. Clearly not grape juice. The comment about how people usually save the worst drink for last because by then everyone has drunk too much to notice the difference clearly indicates it was wine. Grape juice does not inhibit one’s sense of taste in this way but wine would.

Bottom line - He sharply contrasted His own behaviour with that of John the Baptist who truly was a strict teetotaller. If He drank moderately, and it is crystal clear that He did, then who are you to criticise anyone else who does likewise?

Alcohol in moderation has many health benefits, and moderate drinkers are in general actually healthier than their teetotaling counterparts. The same cannot be said of pot users. Alcohol alters your mind and mood? Possibly a little, but so would a strong cup of coffee. Are coffee drinkers also sinning?
 
Most foods that we eat introduce chemicals that affect our brain. What about those?
 
Sure, having a glass of beer or wine is not on the same level as sin or wickedness as getting drunk is, but it’s still not right at all, in my opinion.
And that’s just it, isn’t it? Your opinion.

Sin isn’t defined by opinion, sin is defined by the teachings of the Church. The Catechism does not define moderate drinking as a sin. It is not a sin.

I would respectfully suggest that your view on this (and it is your personal view and not the view of the Church) is perhaps as a result over a combination of scrupulosity and personal interpretation of very selective verses of scripture. As Catholics we do not read scripture in the light of our own personal interpretation of it, we read it in the light of the Church’s interpretation of it.

There are billions of us, and we could all have our own individual interpretations of scripture, and therefore create our own individual views of morality and sin based on this, and many of our views would conflict. Yet how can this be since there can only be one Truth? That is why, as Catholics, we rely on the Church’s interpretation, hence we have our Catechism etc.

If the Church does not maintain that drinking moderately is a sin, then it is not a sin, end of story.
 
Most foods that we eat introduce chemicals that affect our brain. What about those?
No hot curries allowed then. Chillies can have a chemical effect that alters our mental state, as anyone who enjoys a hot curry can attest to.
 
God made wine for man to enjoy:

Psalm 103(104): 13-15 Thou [God] waterest the hills from thy upper rooms: the earth shall be filled with the fruit of thy works: Bringing forth grass for cattle, and herb for the service of men. That thou mayst bring bread out of the earth: And that wine may cheer the heart of man. That he may make the face cheerful with oil: and that bread may strengthen man’s heart.
 
Here’s why. Alcohol is a mind altering drug. Even just somebody having one drink to “relax, but not to get drunk”, is still having their inhibitions lowered, as well as their thought processes slowing down, which violates the Bible’s commands to stay sober. Sometimes, even when they’re not drunk, alcohol may influence some people to say things that they wouldn’t normally say. Yes, they can still think clearly and they still can keep their basic judgement if they drink in moderation, it’s nowhere near as bad as a drunk person who’s judgement and soberness is totally impaired, but it’s still not right! Their soberness is still being impaired to some extent.

Christians that defend drinking alcoholic beverages in moderation are condoning the usage of mind altering drugs.

Even if drinking in and of itself isn’t a sin, in a culture that’s so harmed by the abuse of alcohol, why not decide to not drink, in an effort to influence everybody else not to drink, which might stop some people from using alcohol irresponsibly and dangerously.

Sure, having a glass of beer or wine is not on the same level as sin or wickedness as getting drunk is, but it’s still not right at all, in my opinion.

It’s definitely immoral for somebody to smoke pot, don’t you agree with me? Yes it is, because “drugs are bad” and us Christians shouldn’t be drug users. Yet you think nothing is morally wrong with using a mind-altering drug in the form of alcohol? A casual booze drinker is no better than a casual pot smoker, except they aren’t breaking the law. They are after the same psychoactive effect, that “buzz” one gets from a mind-altering drug. And that’s not good.

A marijuana smoker has their inhibitions lowered, which contradicts the Bible’s commands at soberness, however, a person that has a glass of wine is doing that same exact thing. What’s the difference? There is none. Both are using mind altering drugs for a “buzz”, which lowers their inhibitions, which the Bible condemns. By defending the moderate consumption of alcohol, Christians are acting no better than a pot smoker defending the moderate usage of marijuana, by stating “yes, getting drunk is immoral, but I don’t drink to get drunk, i drink to relax”, which is the same exact thing as a pot smoker saying, “i just get buzzed, i don’t get stoned”.

Most people that condone alcohol in moderation would never smoke marijuana (and rightfully so, using drugs is very immoral!). That’s because “drugs are bad” and they aren’t drug users. Yet they thought nothing of using some other mind-altering drug in the form of alcohol! Such hypocrites!

Yes I know that drinking small amounts of alcohol don’t lead to drunkenness and intoxication (which the Bible clearly condemns). But it still doesn’t make it right!

Just like a casual pot smoker, someone taking a few tokes isn’t going to be stoned and intoxicated (which is intoxication-the equivalent to being drunk). But it still doesn’t make it right to smoke pot, which is a drug! Also, alcohol is a DRUG! Remember that!

Yes I know that someone who has a glass of beer or wine isn’t really drunk or intoxicated! Technically, yes. But that still doesn’t make it right!

Just like someone having one puff of a joint isn’t stoned or intoxicated. But that still doesn’t make that right either. Is that moral and OK to do? No, of course not! So why should doing that very same thing with another mind altering drug (aka alcohol), be condoned? That’s very hypocritical and inconsistent if you ask me, to condone the moderate consumption of alcohol. We shouldn’t have double standards as Christians. Sin is sin.

Shouldn’t us as Christians realize that we should simply just stop defending and justifying this mind altering drug called alcohol, simply because of our cultural bias and because of it’s popularity and social acceptance? We wouldn’t do that very same thing with other mind altering drugs, so what makes alcohol any different?

Also, yayin and oinos can also mean regular grape juice also. Those words don’t really prove that drinking alcohol is condoned in the Bible. In fact, proverbs 31 4 even states that kings and princes are not supposed to drink wine, as well as strong drinks.

My conclusion to all of this is basically this. It’s sinful and unwise for Christians to drink alcohol.
Jesus drank wine and even turned water into wine. 😉 Drinking is not a sin when done in moderation.
 
Here’s why. Alcohol is a mind altering drug. Even just somebody having one drink to “relax, but not to get drunk”, is still having their inhibitions lowered, as well as their thought processes slowing down, which violates the Bible’s commands to stay sober. Sometimes, even when they’re not drunk, alcohol may influence some people to say things that they wouldn’t normally say. Yes, they can still think clearly and they still can keep their basic judgement if they drink in moderation, it’s nowhere near as bad as a drunk person who’s judgement and soberness is totally impaired, but it’s still not right! Their soberness is still being impaired to some extent.

Christians that defend drinking alcoholic beverages in moderation are condoning the usage of mind altering drugs.

Even if drinking in and of itself isn’t a sin, in a culture that’s so harmed by the abuse of alcohol, why not decide to not drink, in an effort to influence everybody else not to drink, which might stop some people from using alcohol irresponsibly and dangerously.

Sure, having a glass of beer or wine is not on the same level as sin or wickedness as getting drunk is, but it’s still not right at all, in my opinion.

It’s definitely immoral for somebody to smoke pot, don’t you agree with me? Yes it is, because “drugs are bad” and us Christians shouldn’t be drug users. Yet you think nothing is morally wrong with using a mind-altering drug in the form of alcohol? A casual booze drinker is no better than a casual pot smoker, except they aren’t breaking the law. They are after the same psychoactive effect, that “buzz” one gets from a mind-altering drug. And that’s not good.

A marijuana smoker has their inhibitions lowered, which contradicts the Bible’s commands at soberness, however, a person that has a glass of wine is doing that same exact thing. What’s the difference? There is none. Both are using mind altering drugs for a “buzz”, which lowers their inhibitions, which the Bible condemns. By defending the moderate consumption of alcohol, Christians are acting no better than a pot smoker defending the moderate usage of marijuana, by stating “yes, getting drunk is immoral, but I don’t drink to get drunk, i drink to relax”, which is the same exact thing as a pot smoker saying, “i just get buzzed, i don’t get stoned”.

Most people that condone alcohol in moderation would never smoke marijuana (and rightfully so, using drugs is very immoral!). That’s because “drugs are bad” and they aren’t drug users. Yet they thought nothing of using some other mind-altering drug in the form of alcohol! Such hypocrites!

Yes I know that drinking small amounts of alcohol don’t lead to drunkenness and intoxication (which the Bible clearly condemns). But it still doesn’t make it right!

Just like a casual pot smoker, someone taking a few tokes isn’t going to be stoned and intoxicated (which is intoxication-the equivalent to being drunk). But it still doesn’t make it right to smoke pot, which is a drug! Also, alcohol is a DRUG! Remember that!

Yes I know that someone who has a glass of beer or wine isn’t really drunk or intoxicated! Technically, yes. But that still doesn’t make it right!

Just like someone having one puff of a joint isn’t stoned or intoxicated. But that still doesn’t make that right either. Is that moral and OK to do? No, of course not! So why should doing that very same thing with another mind altering drug (aka alcohol), be condoned? That’s very hypocritical and inconsistent if you ask me, to condone the moderate consumption of alcohol. We shouldn’t have double standards as Christians. Sin is sin.

Shouldn’t us as Christians realize that we should simply just stop defending and justifying this mind altering drug called alcohol, simply because of our cultural bias and because of it’s popularity and social acceptance? We wouldn’t do that very same thing with other mind altering drugs, so what makes alcohol any different?

Also, yayin and oinos can also mean regular grape juice also. Those words don’t really prove that drinking alcohol is condoned in the Bible. In fact, proverbs 31 4 even states that kings and princes are not supposed to drink wine, as well as strong drinks.

My conclusion to all of this is basically this. It’s sinful and unwise for Christians to drink alcohol.
Tell that to Christ, He disagrees with you. “The Son of Man has come eating and drinking; and you say, ‘Behold, a glutton and a drunkard’” (Luke 7:34). And of course “And he took a cup of wine and gave thanks to God for it. He gave it to them, and they all drank from it.” (Mark 14:23).

So does St. Paul “No longer drink only water, but use a little wine for the sake of your stomach and your frequent ailments” (1 Tim. 5:23). [incidentally modern medical research has backed up the use of wine in moderation for its health benefits.]

Gluttony and Drunkenness are Sinful, food and wine in themselves are not.
 
Having a glass or 4 of wine for me is such a nice thing to look forward to on a weekend. I gave up wine for the whole of lent and it was a killer as I love wine!
 
Having a glass or 4 of wine for me is such a nice thing to look forward to on a weekend. I gave up wine for the whole of lent and it was a killer as I love wine!
I like to relax and unwind sometimes with a glass of wine on the night before my off day after work, I can have a glass of wine and relax knowing I can sleep in the next day. Nothing wrong with wine at all. 🙂
 
Yes Jesus drank wine, converted water into wine and spent a lot of time with drinkers.

Drinking alcohol itself isn’t wrong as such, in moderation, it’s the behaviour you mention that’s wrong.

Pax vobiscum+
 
Even if drinking in and of itself isn’t a sin, in a culture that’s so harmed by the abuse of alcohol, why not decide to not drink, in an effort to influence everybody else not to drink, which might stop some people from using alcohol irresponsibly and dangerously.
Sky River, I agree with you, that was even hinted in (1 Corinthians 10:23):
“I have the right to do anything,” you say—but not everything is beneficial. “I have the right to do anything”—but not everything is constructive."


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