Why Christians shouldn't drink alcohol (even if it's in moderation, it's a sin!)

[april32010]

I never knew aspirin was so evil and addictive.

its a gateway drug ,it leads to tylenol

 

[TheRealJuliane]

Not necessarily.** Like alcohol, people take it for a variety of reasons, to socialise, to unwind, to relax, and yes to get high**. Let’s not try to say that alcohol is different in this regard, its not. If anything alcohol is a potentially more harmful substance.

But all this misses the point. The argument i snot about whether or not alcohol is potentially a very harmful substance. It clearly is. Its not about whether or not alcohol (or any other substance) is a good or bad thing, its about whether or not our Church deems the consumption of alcohol in itself to be a sin. It doesn’t, therefore it is not a sin, and that’s it. Individual opinions on this matter have no bearing as to whether or not it is a sin.

All of the effects you list are a side effect of getting HIGH.

Other than that, I agree with you.

 

[abinjoy]

Jesus drank enough to open himself up to accusations of being a drunkard. Clearly not grape juice, as drinking that in any quantity would not raise an eyebrow.

Are you really sure that Jesus drank enough??

 

[abinjoy]

Of course its not photoshopped, he’s German. I’ve yet to meet a German who doesn’t drink beer.

Do you try to imitate all the other virtues of Ratzinger in its fullest? or is it just drinking beer?

 

[LilyM]

Are you really sure that Jesus drank enough??

Well if He drank nothing or very little then His enemies wouldn’t accuse Him of being a drunkard - the mud wouldn’t stick unless He was known to drink reasonably regularly.

More importantly He wouldn’t contrast Himself to John unless there really was a meaningful difference in their drinking habits (remembering John as a Nazirite was a complete teetotaller)

 

[abinjoy]

What’s wrong with “slightly” lowering one’s inhibitions? Especially if generally, you are quite anxious, uptight and a bit shy?

Should pray to God to be free of shyness rather than turning to alcohol

 

[Sam_777]

Southern Baptist.

Interesting!, this is the first time I hear about them, what is there official opinion about same-sex marriage?

 

[abinjoy]

Well, you aren’t God. Why do you think you can determine what is and is not sin? .

Precisely the reason why I said “I think it is a sin”.And no where I have said that my thinking is absolutely right

 

[abinjoy]

I never knew aspirin was so evil and addictive.

To be honest this is a silly statement.The reason why one would take aspirin is to get cure from some disease or relieve pain.Can understand If people drink alcohol for medicinal reasons.But how many drink alcohol for medicinal reasons?

 

[abinjoy]

Well if He drank nothing or very little then His enemies wouldn’t accuse Him of being a drunkard - the mud wouldn’t stick unless He was known to drink reasonably regularly.

I agree Jesus drank wine.
Our previous pope had done many things to free the church from the sex scandals.but still the world says he protected them.So you think all the accusations that the world makes/Jews made against Jesus are true?

More importantly He wouldn’t contrast Himself to John unless there really was a meaningful difference in their drinking habits (remembering John as a Nazirite was a complete teetotaller)

I think there is some virtue in being a teetotaller.Otherwise why would John the Baptist be mentioned for being a teetotaller

 

[abinjoy]

how many of those who support moderate drinking will agree to stop drinking lets say for the next 6 months for the conversion of all those who abuse alcohol and spoil their lives?
After all we all are aiming for heaven and are true followers of Christ.Then why don’t we try to do some sacrifice for the benefit of those who suffer from alcohol addiction?

I think It can be a real chance for us to show our “love” for Christ

Drinking may or may not be a sin.But if some moderate drinker finds it to stop taking it for some time I think he/she is attached to it. Isn’t attachment to wordy things a sin(small/large depending on the thing and circumstances)

 

[Paddy_Walker]

Here’s why. Alcohol is a mind altering drug. Even just somebody having one drink to “relax, but not to get drunk”, is still having their inhibitions lowered, as well as their thought processes slowing down, which violates the Bible’s commands to stay sober. Sometimes, even when they’re not drunk, alcohol may influence some people to say things that they wouldn’t normally say. Yes, they can still think clearly and they still can keep their basic judgement if they drink in moderation, it’s nowhere near as bad as a drunk person who’s judgement and soberness is totally impaired, but it’s still not right! Their soberness is still being impaired to some extent.

Christians that defend drinking alcoholic beverages in moderation are condoning the usage of mind altering drugs.

Even if drinking in and of itself isn’t a sin, in a culture that’s so harmed by the abuse of alcohol, why not decide to not drink, in an effort to influence everybody else not to drink, which might stop some people from using alcohol irresponsibly and dangerously.

Sure, having a glass of beer or wine is not on the same level as sin or wickedness as getting drunk is, but it’s still not right at all, in my opinion.

It’s definitely immoral for somebody to smoke pot, don’t you agree with me? Yes it is, because “drugs are bad” and us Christians shouldn’t be drug users. Yet you think nothing is morally wrong with using a mind-altering drug in the form of alcohol? A casual booze drinker is no better than a casual pot smoker, except they aren’t breaking the law. They are after the same psychoactive effect, that “buzz” one gets from a mind-altering drug. And that’s not good.

A marijuana smoker has their inhibitions lowered, which contradicts the Bible’s commands at soberness, however, a person that has a glass of wine is doing that same exact thing. What’s the difference? There is none. Both are using mind altering drugs for a “buzz”, which lowers their inhibitions, which the Bible condemns. By defending the moderate consumption of alcohol, Christians are acting no better than a pot smoker defending the moderate usage of marijuana, by stating “yes, getting drunk is immoral, but I don’t drink to get drunk, i drink to relax”, which is the same exact thing as a pot smoker saying, “i just get buzzed, i don’t get stoned”.

Most people that condone alcohol in moderation would never smoke marijuana (and rightfully so, using drugs is very immoral!). That’s because “drugs are bad” and they aren’t drug users. Yet they thought nothing of using some other mind-altering drug in the form of alcohol! Such hypocrites!

Yes I know that drinking small amounts of alcohol don’t lead to drunkenness and intoxication (which the Bible clearly condemns). But it still doesn’t make it right!

Just like a casual pot smoker, someone taking a few tokes isn’t going to be stoned and intoxicated (which is intoxication-the equivalent to being drunk). But it still doesn’t make it right to smoke pot, which is a drug! Also, alcohol is a DRUG! Remember that!

Yes I know that someone who has a glass of beer or wine isn’t really drunk or intoxicated! Technically, yes. But that still doesn’t make it right!

Just like someone having one puff of a joint isn’t stoned or intoxicated. But that still doesn’t make that right either. Is that moral and OK to do? No, of course not! So why should doing that very same thing with another mind altering drug (aka alcohol), be condoned? That’s very hypocritical and inconsistent if you ask me, to condone the moderate consumption of alcohol. We shouldn’t have double standards as Christians. Sin is sin.

Shouldn’t us as Christians realize that we should simply just stop defending and justifying this mind altering drug called alcohol, simply because of our cultural bias and because of it’s popularity and social acceptance? We wouldn’t do that very same thing with other mind altering drugs, so what makes alcohol any different?

Also, yayin and oinos can also mean regular grape juice also. Those words don’t really prove that drinking alcohol is condoned in the Bible. In fact, proverbs 31 4 even states that kings and princes are not supposed to drink wine, as well as strong drinks.

My conclusion to all of this is basically this. It’s sinful and unwise for Christians to drink alcohol.

God put alcohol in babys milk. there is 10 times more alcohol in human milk than cows milk.

 

[Sam_777]

God put alcohol in babys milk. there is 10 times more alcohol in human milk than cows milk.

Research/Scientific link

 

[abinjoy]

If the purpose of drinking alcohol is **solely sensual gratification **it feel it is a sin

 

[abinjoy]

God put alcohol in babys milk. there is 10 times more alcohol in human milk than cows milk.

God also gives us a chance to abstain from things which we like

 

[abinjoy]

God made wine for man to enjoy:

Psalm 103(104): 13-15 Thou [God] waterest the hills from thy upper rooms: the earth shall be filled with the fruit of thy works: Bringing forth grass for cattle, and herb for the service of men. That thou mayst bring bread out of the earth: And that wine may cheer the heart of man. That he may make the face cheerful with oil: and that bread may strengthen man’s heart.

Donot quote old testamnet in this matter :By the same logic is still Eye for eye ok?

 

[Paddy_Walker]

If the purpose of drinking alcohol is **solely sensual gratification **it feel it is a sin

Stop drinking only water, drink a little wine to help your stomach - St. Paul [the Apostle]

 

[Paddy_Walker]

Research/Scientific link

dammit… if i knew i was on trial i’da given a reference and bibliography.
if i found it anyone can find it.

 

[abinjoy]

drink a little wine to help your stomach - St. Paul [the Apostle]

Do you practise or try to practise to the full extend all the other things which St Paul ask us to do or is it just a few which are easier to practise?

 

[Paddy_Walker]

Do you practise or try to practise to the full extend all the other things which St Paul ask us to do or is it just a few which are easier to practise?

do you?