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abinjoy
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Even Jesus did not judge the women caught for adultery whom the Jews wanted to stone
I am surprised to see accusations and judgement in a catholic forum even when I have explicitly mentioned it was not my intent
Why Christians shouldn't drink alcohol (even if it's in moderation, it's a sin!)
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I am surprised to see accusations and judgement in a catholic forum even when I have explicitly mentioned it was not my intent
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abinjoy
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But isn’t it a virtue to deny oneself of many of the comforts that world give us
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Paddy_Walker
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in what way?
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Paddy_Walker
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but is it a virtue to deny other people the comforts the world gives them?
in the early middle ages, well over 1000 years ago, in ireland, the monks had a rule that every monk was given 6 pints of beer a day.
now, if a monk was sick he was ordered to stay in the infirmary and was given 8 pints of beer a day.
Catholicism is the religion of generosity not of inflicting other people with puritanistic misery.
btw the beer the monks drank was probably what the english call ‘small beer’.
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april32010
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and who are you to challenge Gods commandants ?
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abinjoy
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Which commandement of God am I challenging?
Just take this in the way I would challenge some one to climb Mount Everest?(For arguments sake assume that I have climbed Mt.Everest)
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abinjoy
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Honestly I cant understand at all.PM me or post in this thread
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april32010
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right here ,you stated your challenging a few of Gods commandments
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TheRealJuliane
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This thread should be titled:
“Why Sky River thinks drinking alcohol is a sin, even in moderate amounts!”
It has nothing to do with what God has told us or what Jesus did (turn water into wine and turn wine into His Blood).
Almost everything can be sinful if we allow it to become sinful. We are turned toward sin so of course our vices are numerous. But there is nothing inherently sinful about having a glass of wine, if you are not an alcoholic.
“Why Sky River thinks drinking alcohol is a sin, even in moderate amounts!”
It has nothing to do with what God has told us or what Jesus did (turn water into wine and turn wine into His Blood).
Almost everything can be sinful if we allow it to become sinful. We are turned toward sin so of course our vices are numerous. But there is nothing inherently sinful about having a glass of wine, if you are not an alcoholic.
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abinjoy
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Oops!! I meant I am challenging a few people in the forum
Read to be in relation with post 109 and post 119
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abinjoy
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Can you tell me if drinking alcohol is a sin in relation to post 114.(not if it is a big /small sin or not,but just a sin of negligence and indulgence (say a sin which rates 1 in scale of 50)when there are poor and needy)Cant we go for not lesser expensive options like juice/water etc instead of alcohol?This thread should be titled:
“Why Sky River thinks drinking alcohol is a sin, even in moderate amounts!”
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Paddy_Walker
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no, you cannot even say its 1 without calling your Lord a sinner. He turned over 700 litres of water into wine. and that was in addition to all the wine the guests had already drunk.
you will contradict the Lord with your new commandment, i think.
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abinjoy
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I doubt if there was poverty at the time of Jesus.Did any one starve to death?
.But if we ignore the poor and needy I really doubt whether we are followers of Christ(myself included).Why did pope ask people of Argentina not to come to his inauguration mass and instead donate the travel expenses that wud have incurred to poor people?Flying to Rome from Argentina per se is not a sin but its a nobler act to watch it in TV and donate the air fare to poor.We are called to perfection as the father in heaven is.So If one really really really want to be a true follower of Christ I think we shud **avoid many of our indulgences one of them is alcohol **or at least reduce them
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Paddy_Walker
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‘the poor are always with us’. but people have to get married too.
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TheRealJuliane
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That is a personal choice, and if you are doing it for the right reasons, it is fine for you to avoid alcohol. I think people who make these choices need to speak with their priests about it. Many who catalog all their sins in these extreme ways are scrupulous and need spiritual guidance from a priest about everyday matters.
Drinking alcohol in moderation is NOT a sin. If you drink alcohol INSTEAD of doing other things such as contributing to charity, then you are using it in a sinful way. The alcohol itself is not doing that to you, you are making that choice.
Seek advice from your spiritual advisor.
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TheRealJuliane
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There’s the crux of the matter. “I think we should” comes down to personal choice on any matter. But you and Sky River seem to think that your “I think we should” ought to be a commandment of God! This mindset can also go as far as schism with the Church, so do be careful in this realm.
Mary_Gail_36
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Of course!How could Jesus have consecrated wine into His Blood, if it were sinful?
The theological implications are staggering.
I wanted to touch on the Wedding Feast of Cana.
Jesus in his first miracle changed water into wine, at the request of His mother. If drinking wine were sinful (Or perhaps sinful now, not sinful then as some might argue) does that mean Jesus committed Scandal?
No, Jesus is God and could not commit scandal. His mother is sinless and neither would she have committed scandal by bringing it to his attention. He was well aware that this miracle would become well known.
He tells her, “Woman, how does your concern affect me? My hour has not yet come.” Meaning that he would reveal his Divine Nature, and all present would know.
I also wanted to touch on another aspect. Traditionally, the predominantly Catholic countries of France, Italy and Spain all used wine.
There was a different attitude regarding wine and alcoholic beverages than one would find in non Catholic countries. Wine was normally used in moderation. My own grandparents had a vineyard in Italy.
My grandmother lived to be 103. She drank wine at dinner daily. She also prayed the Rosary daily, multiple times. She confessed monthly, until the end. She fasted every Friday.
She was truly devout. She understood moderation, she would never approve of drunkenness.
And let’s not forget about Dom Perignon, was a Benedictine Monk in France who helped perfect the making of Champagne.
Or in Italy, Vin Santo, originated as wine prepared for use at Mass.
Or Fra Angelico, who created a hazelnut liquor. He was a Dominican.
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Fairwinds
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I don’t know about this “juice”. plain rain water for the poor is all they need. juice can be more expensive than cheap beer.
but that’s the real point, is it? the point is to take away one of life’s simple pleasures by masking it with a non-existent cloak of morality because someone, somewhere, can’t hold his beer.
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abinjoy
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But dont be so judgemental Juliane Sir or make assumptions …God has not appointed you as the judge on this matter.When I use the term I think I mean “I understand” only.I never claim that my understanding is perfect or absolutely right
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