Why did God cause Judah to sin?

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Judah betrayed Jesus and hang himself as a result of it. And God knew Judah would do it but still proceeded with going on Earth and making him sin.

Also why did God create Lucifer if he knew that he would cause so many people to sin and become what he is. Didn’t God create evil when he knowingly created the future devil, that is Lucifer?

I have posted three simmiliar questions now, so one would think im doubting. Im not doubting, im searching the truth with logic.
 
God did not create evil. God created free will. He wants us to choose to love him, not be forced to love him. Unfortunately, a side effect of free will is the possibility of evil entering the world.
 
Judah betrayed Jesus and hang himself as a result of it. And God knew Judah would do it but still proceeded with going on Earth and making him sin.

Also why did God create Lucifer if he knew that he would cause so many people to sin and become what he is. Didn’t God create evil when he knowingly created the future devil, that is Lucifer?

I have posted three simmiliar questions now, so one would think im doubting. Im not doubting, im searching the truth with logic.
Judah didn’t sin Judas spelling is key with names
 
Judah betrayed Jesus and hang himself as a result of it. And God knew Judah would do it but still proceeded with going on Earth and making him sin.

Also why did God create Lucifer if he knew that he would cause so many people to sin and become what he is. Didn’t God create evil when he knowingly created the future devil, that is Lucifer?

I have posted three simmiliar questions now, so one would think im doubting. Im not doubting, im searching the truth with logic.
We have a hard time getting our minds around the fact that God is eternally present, that is, that He doesn’t exist in , nor limited by time and space. God has His positive will to make things happen and His permissive will to allow things to happen. Much of the language used in the Bible makes us think that God inflicts suffering on us when in reality we are inflicting it on ourselves and others around and those who come after us. It goes with God’s gift of freewill which is great if we use it wisely and like a curse if we don’t! God has to allow consequences of our actions or else freewill would be meaningless. Judas, like all of us had freewill to make the decisions he did. He freely chose to do what he did.
 
Judah betrayed Jesus and hang himself as a result of it. And God knew Judah would do it but still proceeded with going on Earth and making him sin.

Also why did God create Lucifer if he knew that he would cause so many people to sin and become what he is. Didn’t God create evil when he knowingly created the future devil, that is Lucifer?

I have posted three simmiliar questions now, so one would think im doubting. Im not doubting, im searching the truth with logic.
Ok, let’s get some facts straight.
  1. God did not create evil. God created free, good beings as opposed to a mindless slave. Some purely spiritual - the “angels” or messengers - some body and soul (men). The free, good beings were subject to moral testing - aware of right and wrong, he had to choose. The angel Lucifer and many others, out of pride, chose poorly and unwisely and became adversaries of God and of man. Man, too, chose poorly and unwisely, but because they were tempted by Satan, they could be brought to repentance and saved. In a sense, the existence of the devil avoided man’s immediate and perpetual condemnation, because his sin was not entirely his fault.
  2. The Evil One does tempt people to sin, but ultimately it is people who sin - they chose, just like the devil chose. What this means is clear: either God “created evil when he knowingly created men”, or there’s a flaw in this reasoning. The flaw being that you cannot impose love and righteousness - it needs to be chosen and embraced. In this optic you can better understand the life and message of the God-Man Jesus Christ.
  3. God causes no one to sin. When Christ healed a sick man, someone sinned by saying this was the work of Satan. When Christ resuscitated Lazarus, someone sinned by proposing to kill him as well as Lazarus. Was God supposed to not do good in order that some blind hard-hearted people may not do what they do best, that is, mess up and sin? The fact is that we are all sinners, and Christ’s life and message invites all sinners to repentance.
About Judas:

Judas did not hang himself because he betrayed Jesus - because of this, Scripture says, he had remorse, saying: “I have sinned by betraying innocent blood”.

Judas hung himself because he did not believe in Christ’s forgiveness, and he did not trust in Christ - he did not have faith.

Was it not foolish to take his life when he had seen with his own eyes the Lord resuscitate the dead?

Was it not foolish to distrust his forgiveness, he who had seen the Lord forgive the worst sinners, and who, after betraying Christ, saw His loving gaze, full of sorrow, calling him friend?

Why not run at the foot of the Cross and beg forgiveness, as the thief crucified next to him? Why run to the pharisees who had deceived him and plotted against Christ? Why seek their help? And why, when their help was denied, did he not seek the other apostles, or Christ?

In this is the root of his self-inflicted death.

It is good to seek the truth, but logic does not suffice. “Faith and reason are like two wings on which the human spirit rises to the contemplation of truth; and God has placed in the human heart a desire to know the truth—in a word, to know himself—so that, by knowing and loving God, men and women may also come to the fullness of truth about themselves.” (Fides et Ratio).

Faith is like falling in love. Can you fall in love throuhg logic? Can you ascertain through reason alone that your companion loves you? Is it not plausible that in the deep recess of her heart, she is deceiving you for a purpose known only to her?

It is written: “these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.” In order to get closer to God you must be willing to love. You must take a risk, you must trust, and you must be open, open to falling in love. Because we are not hard-coded machines, but a perfect union of a body and a soul, endowed with the intellect as well as with the emotions. They each play a role - you cannot exclude either entirely.

Look at Peter. Upon denying Christ three times, he met the Lord’s eyes, and what did he do? He cried bitterly. Emotions clicked right there and then, namely the love for the Lord, triumphing over the disordered passion of his fear before the angry mob. In this circumstance, the emotion and reason worked together for Peter’s salvation.

A good book to answer many of these questions is the “Handbook of Catholic Apologetics” by Peter Kreeft. 🙂
 
Judah betrayed Jesus and hang himself as a result of it. And God knew Judah would do it but still proceeded with going on Earth and making him sin.

Also why did God create Lucifer if he knew that he would cause so many people to sin and become what he is. Didn’t God create evil when he knowingly created the future devil, that is Lucifer?

I have posted three simmiliar questions now, so one would think im doubting. Im not doubting, im searching the truth with logic.
Hi again Timi Celcer,

The above posters gave some excellent responses, so I’ll just add a few thoughts:

Foreseeing and intending are two different things. When God created Judas did he FORESEE Judas’s sin? Yes. Did God intend Judas’s sin? No.

Don’t worry, no one thinks you are doubting. This is a good question that a lot of posters here struggle with. Keep up the good effort to understand your faith! =)
 
Judah betrayed Jesus and hang himself as a result of it. And God knew Judah would do it but still proceeded with going on Earth and making him sin.
Also why did God create Lucifer if he knew that he would cause so many people to sin and become what he is. Didn’t God create evil when he knowingly created the future devil, that is Lucifer?
I have posted three simmiliar questions now, so one would think im doubting. Im not doubting, im searching the truth with logic.
A simple way to answer this is that God creates, whatever his creation does is kinda “out of his hands” so to speak.
Now the complex answer is this : It is in the Creator’s nature to Create. It is also in God’s nature to be perfect in knowledge, Omniscient, so God can’t be wrong. God created an angel, even though God knew that this angel would turn out bad , because if God didn’t create that angel, there would be no angel
that would turn bad, so God wouldn’t have known this angel would turn out bad because this angel would never exist and become the Devil, so God might
have actually been wrong in this confusing hypothetical situation. Impossible.

Ultimately, it’s a mystery, as we mere creations cannot fathom the infinite nature of God.

And FYI: “Lucifer, Son of the Morning” is NOT the Devil, but is referring
to Nebuchadnezzar II, King of Babylon, a very common misconception.
 
Judah betrayed Jesus and hang himself as a result of it. And God knew Judah would do it but still proceeded with going on Earth and making him sin.

Also why did God create Lucifer if he knew that he would cause so many people to sin and become what he is. Didn’t God create evil when he knowingly created the future devil, that is Lucifer?

I have posted three simmiliar questions now, so one would think im doubting. Im not doubting, im searching the truth with logic.
God is like us, or we are like God, in that he wants to be around what loves hi, back by ther own free will. So that it is real not forced. God could have made everything not sin and love him. But it wouldn’t have been the same. Which would you rather have a robot that does everything you want, or a person who you know loves you not because they have to but because they want to.

So when God made creation he decided to give us all, even the Angels, freedom to choose, him or not. That is why some theologians consider hell the absence of God.

The fact that he knows what we will choose is irrelevant because in deciding to give us free will that means some, if not most, will choose not to love him. God knew Judas didn’t love him and was probably going to go to Hell, so he used that to his advantage.
 
Judah betrayed Jesus and hang himself as a result of it. And God knew Judah would do it but still proceeded with going on Earth and making him sin.

Also why did God create Lucifer if he knew that he would cause so many people to sin and become what he is. Didn’t God create evil when he knowingly created the future devil, that is Lucifer?

I have posted three simmiliar questions now, so one would think im doubting. Im not doubting, im searching the truth with logic.
This is essentially the philisophical “problem of good and evil.” It’s been debated since the time of Socrates, yet there doesn’t seem to be a universally satisfying answer.

I don’t think there’s a problem or paradox or any of that other jazz at all. People always focus on reconciling the existence of a good God with the existence of evil, suffering, etc. Yet I never see anyone considering what a world without evil/suffering would be like, nor what its implications on God would be.

It’s really quite simple. Imagine a world where God did not allow any evil or suffering at all. There would be no free will, for one. The laws of physics would have to be different as to not allow any kind of damage, degredation, pain, death, etc. It would be likely that motion wouldn’t even exist in such a reality, as motion can lead to friction and impact, which can be problematic when trying to prevent any and all suffering. We wouldn’t have minds that could ever become bored, impatient, etc. Essentially we would end up being not much more than plants. Living, but mindless, motionless, and existing purely for function.

You might come up with different ideas of how a universe without any suffering could exist, but the result is always the same. In order to remove all suffering, you also have to remove the potential for good. Imagine an over protective parent never allowing their child out of the confines of a padded room, simply to prevent the child from ever experiencing anything bad. In “saving” the child from everything bad, the child has no opportunity to experience anything good. That would be similar to a god who prevented anything bad from happening to any of his creation.

Now tell me this: Could a god who creates a universe in which no good was possible be a good god? If you said no, then you are also saying that a god who does not allow evil is not a good god.

Chew on that for a while and see what you come up with.
 
Eh? I’ve NEVER heard that before :confused:
It’s True! 😃
We easily mistaken Lucifer to
be Satan based on the follow-
ing verse:
How art thou fallen from heaven, Oh
Lucifer, Son of the Morning! how art
thou cut down to the ground, which
didst weaken the nations!
-Isaiah 14:12
Sure sounds like the Devil, but if we look earlier
in the chapter, we find out who Isaiah is addres-
sing:
**…**you will take up this taunt-song a-
gainst the King of Babylon: How the
oppressor has reached his end! how
the turmoil is stilled!
-Isaiah 14:4
This “King of Babylon” at the time was Nebuchadnezzar II.
 
Originally Posted by Judas Thaddeus View Post
And FYI: “Lucifer, Son of the Morning” is NOT the Devil, but is referring
to Nebuchadnezzar II, King of Babylon, a very common misconception."

I think Lucifer is a fallen angel, the Devil.
 
Lucifer - Hebrew helel, originally denotes the planet Venus, emphasizing its brilliance.

The Vulgate employs the word also for “the light of the morning” (Job 11:17), “the signs of the zodiac” (Job 38:32), and “the aurora” (Psalm 109:3). Metaphorically, the word is applied to the King of Babylon (Isaiah 14:12) as preeminent among the princes of his time; to the high priest Simon son of Onias (Ecclesiasticus 50:6), for his surpassing virtue, to the glory of heaven (Apocalypse 2:28), by reason of its excellency; finally to Jesus Christ himself (2 Peter 1:19; Apocalypse 22:16; the “Exultet” of Holy Saturday) the true light of our spiritual life.

The Syriac version and the version of Aquila derive the Hebrew noun helel from the verb yalal, “to lament”; St. Jerome agrees with them (In Isaiah 1.14), and makes Lucifer the name of the principal fallen angel who must lament the loss of his original glory bright as the morning star.

In Christian tradition this meaning of Lucifer has prevailed; the Fathers maintain that Lucifer is not the proper name of the devil, but denotes only the state from which he has fallen.

Source: Catholic Encyclopedia
 
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